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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 2:17 pm
 


<strong>Filibuster Cartoon</strong>
<strong>Title: </strong> <a href="http://www.filibustercartoons.com/archive.php?id=20080124" target="_blank">Voodoo Economics</a> (click to view)
<strong>Date: </strong> January 24, 2008

The Central bankers of the world have sprung into action in the aftermath of a massive stock market plunge earlier this week. <br> <br>more later...


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 10:36 am
 


This cartoon alone will knock five points off the Dow-Jones. (joke)


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 8:24 pm
 


Joking? You better have been! ... we all know it's the S&P it's going to affect.


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 8:58 pm
 


Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't there a global stock market drop but a reversal in the USA? I don't watch the stock markets, but there was a mention of something like that on the CNN radio news.


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 9:34 pm
 


Psudo wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't there a global stock market drop but a reversal in the USA? I don't watch the stock markets, but there was a mention of something like that on the CNN radio news.


Well here's what happened. Monday, data was released showing a slowdown in the US economy. Asian and European markets plummeted. The US market was closed due to MLK Day. At the start of Tuesday, the US market was 500 points lower. However, the Federal Reserve dropped interest rates (this is the rate the fed lends money to banks, then to you) by .75%. This is a huge drop and hasn't happened since the early 90s.

All and all, this made the dow drop only 150 points, then actually went up a bit, but Friday basically wiped out the gains of the week.

All in all, this was all done to midigate a US recession. The question seems to be not whether is will happen, but how long it will happen. The markets seemed to like the interest rate cuts, but alot of people(including myself) believe it is nothing but a "dead cat bounce" which mean the inevitable will happen. IE companies will have lower earning because the economy is slowing and investors will sell and put their money elseware.

That brings me to another point here. In previous recessions, the US consumer had a decent savings rate. As of now, we have a negative savings rate. The debt of the sub-prime and general spending will make interest rate cuts pointless. And additional money added to the economy will go straight to inflation (ie higher prices for food, energy, and commodities). The continuing rise in gold( a good indicator of when bad things are gonna happen) shows this.

And because of this, this will be a painful recession. The economy will have to go through painful corrections that have benn building up for the past 30 years. The savings rate needs to increase, the trade deficit needs to be lowered, and government spending needs to stop increasing.

The trade deficit will be the first to improve, followed by consumer savings, but the government spending is liable to get worse as politicions try to "fix" the economy (the emercency stimulus package for example. The 150 billion goes straight debt while being so small not to effect the broader economy).


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 7:20 am
 


Yahoo Finance has a nice graph of the past 5 days of stock market trading. If you look soon, before it's updated away, you can see Friday's dip and Wednesday's increase canceling each other out. If you're too late, the next smallest time increment graph is 3 months, which doesn't show that few-day low at all, but instead only shows the overall stock market drop since Christmas.

I think it proves dog77's analysis to be pretty spot on, at least since Christmas.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 10:57 am
 


Psudo wrote:
Yahoo Finance has a nice graph of the past 5 days of stock market trading. If you look soon, before it's updated away, you can see Friday's dip and Wednesday's increase canceling each other out. If you're too late, the next smallest time increment graph is 3 months, which doesn't show that few-day low at all, but instead only shows the overall stock market drop since Christmas.

I think it proves dog77's analysis to be pretty spot on, at least since Christmas.


Well, the imbalances in the global economy have been building up, particarly the central banks of the world buying US treasuries in order to have a lower currency. Banks are finally realizing they can't do this forever and are not buying treasuries anymore.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 4:54 am
 


dog77_1999 wrote:
Banks are finally realizing they can't do this forever


Maybe...

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and are not buying treasuries anymore.


...but is this really the case? It doesn't seem so.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 8:38 pm
 


Quantum_Wizard wrote:
dog77_1999 wrote:
Banks are finally realizing they can't do this forever


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and are not buying treasuries anymore.


...but is this really the case? It doesn't seem so.


There are less and less customers buying dollars. However, the ones that are pegging their currency (Middle East, China) have to buy more. I don't know how much longer they want to keep buying, but when their is a rumor of some bank shifting their reserves and buying some Euros, the dollar plummets.


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