[Guest]

<br />[QUOTE]The only solution I see to this problem is for the ROC to be assimilated into Quebec's culture, which I would prefer much more to being assimilated into American culture. <br /> <br />Anyways, wasn't the main reason Meech failed the lack of reforms concerning Aboriginals anyway, something nothing to do with Quebec specifically?[/QUOTE] <br /> <br />Come on Lesouris, you cannot possibly believe that a majority of English speakers will want to have anything to do with Quebec or francophones. Quebec isn`t even officially recognized! English-speakers are convinced of their superiority over anyone else. We hear, see and read everyday how English is the international and the business language. The best example of this is the amalgamation of suburbs quagmire in Montreal. Who refused to be part of the greater Montreal? The West Island, with its anglo-saxon heritage, didn`t want to have anything to do with the franco majority. True, some francophone suburbs didn`t want amalgamation either, but that comes from a small-minded elite that didn`t want to lose their jobs and their status. In French, we call it "esprit de clocher". <br /> <br />As to Meech Lake, Clyde Wells and Elijah Harper are responsible for the failure. Frank McKenna was firmly opposed to it, too, but if I remember well, he changed his mind at the last minute.

[Dino]

Michou you would be surprised at how many people would vote to get rid of the monarchy. In australia they had there vote and kept it because 92% of the people in australia are of british origin and there's around 20 million people who live there. In Canada 27% of people are of british origin that would mean 73% of people have no british origin. do you really believe that all Canadians would keep the queen as Canada's head of state? <br /> <br />And I think that if they ever attempt to open the constitution that it has to be more democratic. That is a reason meech failed. I was reading this thing about how Canadians don't want to give Quebec distinct society because they view it as Quebec being better then the other provinces. But when you ask people in the ROC about constitutionally recognizing Quebec culture, protecting there language rights etc. then peoples opinions drastically change. Stephen Dion was once trying to explain to english speaking Canadians that distinct society doesn't mean that Quebec is better then the rest of Canada. So far he has failed in trying to convince the ROC of this. Just because meech and charlotte failed doesn't mean at all that the ROC is dead set against bringing Quebec into the constitution it's the way it has been dones and what has been in it.

[Guest]

[QUOTE]Just because meech and charlotte failed doesn't mean at all that the ROC is dead set against bringing Quebec into the constitution it's the way it has been dones and what has been in it.[/QUOTE] <br /> <br />Sure the ROC is dead set against bringing Quebec in the Constitution. Read the news. The ROC was freaking out when "Patapouf" went to Mexico. When Ralph Klein went, where was all the big fuss? Double standards! Since Quebec is left aside when the federal makes decisions for economic development, Quebec has to find ways to develop its economy. Even "Patapouf" recognizes that. Quebec is kept into a yoke and we sovereigntist want Quebec to be able to speak for itself at international tribunes and negociates its own international treaties. Is that a crime? <br /> <br /> <br />

[Kory Yamashita]

Maybe people don't take Ralph Klein that seriously.

[Perturbed]

[QUOTE BY= Delenda Carthago] [QUOTE]Just because meech and charlotte failed doesn't mean at all that the ROC is dead set against bringing Quebec into the constitution it's the way it has been dones and what has been in it.[/QUOTE] <br /> <br />Sure the ROC is dead set against bringing Quebec in the Constitution. Read the news. The ROC was freaking out when "Patapouf" went to Mexico. When Ralph Klein went, where was all the big fuss? Double standards! Since Quebec is left aside when the federal makes decisions for economic development, Quebec has to find ways to develop its economy. Even "Patapouf" recognizes that. Quebec is kept into a yoke and we sovereigntist want Quebec to be able to speak for itself at international tribunes and negociates its own international treaties. Is that a crime? <br /> <br /> <br />[/QUOTE] <br /> <br /> <br />You don't ahve any evidence to back that up. Even Quebecers wanted to be in the constitution based on poll results. <br /> <br />The premiers, separatist or federalsit, want more power, so they wouldn't publicly give away power without being forced to. <br /> <br />It's about power. Simple. <br /> <br />Meech and Charlottetown failed because it was a weakening of the federal government, another provincial power-grab, and the premiers of the smaller, less-wealthy provinces knew it would turn Canada into the balkans.

[Guest]

<br />[QUOTE]Perturbed : You don't ahve any evidence to back that up. Even Quebecers wanted to be in the constitution based on poll results.[/QUOTE] <br /> <br />Maybe, but not at any price. That`s why Charlettetown failed in Quebec. Anyway, Patapouf isn't going to open this talk any time soon. <br /> <br /> <br />

[gaulois]

Could we try to keep the thread on the topic title posted? If people wants to have a Quebec discussion open thread, then please open one under that title. Otherwise it is impossible to follow all the discussions scattered amongst several threads.

[Guest]

[QUOTE BY= gaulois] Could we try to keep the thread on the topic title posted? If people wants to have a Quebec discussion open thread, then please open one under that title. Otherwise it is impossible to follow all the discussions scattered amongst several threads.[/QUOTE] <br /> <br />But Gaulois, this post was opened as a Quebec topic.

[gaulois]

Can we not have a single Quebec general discussion topic and have the other ones focussed on a narrower topic? It would be much easier to track then.

[Dr Caleb]

[QUOTE BY= gaulois] Can we not have a single Quebec general discussion topic and have the other ones focussed on a narrower topic? It would be much easier to track then.[/QUOTE] <br /> <br />A topic about Quebec would go under 'Provincial Politics'. <br /> <br />This topic is under 'Francophonie'. This topic is about 'building goodwill'. Post about Quebec in general would be offtopic, unless they are about 'building goodwill in or about Quebec'. <br /> <br />Start a thread about Quebec politics under 'Provincial Politics' and before anyone uses the line 'Quebec is Soverign, not a province' and makes HULK mad, remember my previous warnings . . . <br /> <br /> <br />