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PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2011 9:37 am
 


EA Germany: "Origin Is Not Spyware"

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EA Germany: "Origin Is Not Spyware"

Heather McLellan | 1 Nov 2011 3:10 pm


EA Germany has denied claims made by German gamers and journalists that its Origin service is invading their privacy.

Germany's privacy laws are amongst the toughest in the Western world. It should come as no surprise that EA's Origin service - which is mandatory for gamers wishing to play Battlefield 3 on PC, and has been criticized for invasion of privacy before - has come under fire in the country known for challenging Google streetview and banning the Facebook "Like" button. German gamers are taking the situation pretty seriously.

The furore began a few days ago, when pictures that appeared to show Origin accessing non-related programs and data synced from cell phones were released online. Der Spiegel, one of the biggest newspapers in Germany, responded by printing a list of items from the Origin EULA which it claims could contravene German privacy law. German gamers responded by bombing Battlefield 3's Amazon.de rating down to one of the lowest on the site and returning their store-bought copies of the game. In an unusual move that illustrates the seriousness of this situation, high street giants Saturn and Media Markt have both started giving customers full refunds on used copies of the game, even those with used PC keys.

Now EA Germany has responded by updating Origin's EULA to ensure both "clarity" and "legal compliance." In a statement, the company said that, "EA takes the privacy of its users very seriously. We have taken every precaution to protect the personal and anonymous user data collected."

"We do not have access to information such as pictures, documents or personal data, which have nothing to do with the execution of the Origin program on the system of the player, neither will they be collected by us," it continued. "We have updated the End User License Agreement of Origin, in the interests of our players to create more clarity."

The statement also notes that Origin's privacy policies are "industry-standard" and that the company intends to work with "the relevant Government agencies to ensure that our policies are and remain legally compliant."

If the comments on Battlefield 3's Amazon.de page are anything to go by, German gamers are genuinely outraged by Origin's snooping activities. Many of the comments are lengthy diatribes written in German so angry that Google Translate is rendered almost useless (the one thing that is clear, though, is the repeated phrase "Nein danke" - "No thanks"). Understandably, many of them say that they just want to play their games without having to give EA access to their system data. There's a wider debate to be had over whether or not companies should highlight these parts of their EULAs, and about whether or not they should be forcing people to sign up for them just to access widely-anticipated titles. We'll keep an eye out for developments, but right now, these German gamers have made their thoughts abundantly clear.


One of my German co-workers told me about this today. Seems you can go on You Tube and find videos of Origin harvesting data from people's diabetes monitoring software, bank logons, and etc.

If this stuff is true then EA Games could be facing criminal sanctions in Germany and the EU.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2011 9:46 am
 


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One of my German co-workers told me about this today. Seems you can go on You Tube and find videos of Origin harvesting data from people's diabetes monitoring software, bank logons, and etc.

If this stuff is true then EA Games could be facing criminal sanctions in Germany and the EU.


I've never been able to get that crap working right. Since it uses a browser, and Mozilla does not allow certain cross site scripting and file system access to perform from the browser- it tends to fail when I log on or try to join servers, search for server, etc.

It wouldn't surprise me at all that EA stooped to this kind of crap. It's why I haven't bought Batelfield 3, nor will I till it it comes out on Steam and doesn't use Origin.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2011 10:00 am
 


I have origin on my PC, but haven't purchased any software that requires it.

That crap is coming off now.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2011 10:31 am
 


Yeah, I am not so keen on BF3 now.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2011 10:43 am
 


After all the Black Ops hype and disappointment, I'm going to wait on buying any "new and improved" games. After playing the single player to the end, I think I've only played B/O online for about 5 or 6 hours. Didn't care for the bugs and options the game had, so I went back to COD5 WOW and am still playing. Lots of guys I play with came back to this because of the quality. I'm hearing lots of complaints about BF3 which I'm sure most will get fixed eventually. The Origin issue however will remain.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2011 10:46 am
 


Play it on a PS3! lol!


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2011 12:14 pm
 


I'm just going to deal with it, I want to play BF3 that badly. I have yet to buy it yet as I am waiting for my new PC to arrive first. Still I was/am pretty disapointed that EA would force this bs on people. Origin is nothing more than a badly attempt to copy steam. It's appearance, general way of doing things is almost in every sense like steam except steam is 20x better. I'd much rather get this game from steam than origin but EA trying to make its origin program relevant won't allow that. If I wasn't such a diehard battlefield gamer, I would completely dismiss origin all together but that's the only EA game I'm buying on origin. I don't care what they limit to only origin, I'll just have to go support other game companies and ignore any titles EA brings forward.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2011 12:21 pm
 


I'm thinking ahead to when Mass Effect 3 comes out. EA requires that game to use origin, but I'm counting on a savvy community member to hack the game so it will operate without it.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2011 12:37 pm
 


Gad, didn't the launch of Silent Hunter 5 and assassins creed not show these idiots that this is a huge mistake?


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2011 12:43 pm
 


SprCForr wrote:
Play it on a PS3! lol!

I have a PS3 but don't game on it. I can't get use to the controls.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2011 5:17 pm
 


what do use it for then, as a Blu-ray?


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2011 5:29 pm
 


Origin is spyware. [?]

Who knew. I thought it was just another cheap attempt at copying steam.

Here's a suggestion. If you don't trust Origin don't install it, especially if you bank online or have diabetes.

As for me, since my computer is strictly for gaming, the study of female anatomy and visiting sites like CKA I'm not to worried about them finding out that my blood sugar is high.

And besides. Any country that'd elect Angela Merkel has issues far deeper than internet gaming security.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2011 5:40 pm
 


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2011 5:42 pm
 


Here's a video from Youtube that claims origin doesn't spy. There are a couple above it from Germany that claim it does but, because of language barriers they make even less sense than this one.

Can anyone tell me WTF this video is all about?



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2011 6:44 pm
 


Regina wrote:
SprCForr wrote:
Play it on a PS3! lol!

I have a PS3 but don't game on it. I can't get use to the controls.


I had stupid thumb syndrome for a bit, but you'd be surprised how you get used to the layout. It's a matter of getting used to the turn rate in relation to your thumbs. It's nice that you can adjust it (the sensitivity) until you get comfortable.

I tried BFBC2 on the pc with the CKA clan and couldn't get revert back to the keyboard.


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