[Xort]

So to stay on topic in a gun post;

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Incorrect. I said there were no independent studies that had done conclusive human testing on Golden Rice.

And I am still correct on that. The only studies conducted were from the makers of Golden Rice. Yet, you still keep calling me a liar about it.

That was what was said, in reference to the quote below.

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

So, malnutrition is a sudden thing that only a never before tested in humans rice can cure?

I see zero reference to it being independently tested in that statement.

Also because I forgot, this hold chain is littered with your BS.

Would it be fair to say that your calling E.coli a virus is just general scientific ignorance, or an intentional attempt to mislead? Also in context when I asked for animal and plant gene crossing in a product, are you trying to suggest that a virus is an animal, or that a virus is alive?

[Zipperfish]

Seriously the whole "Caleb is a liar thing" is getting trollish at this point.

[ShepherdsDog]

You expect better of someone who has self identified themselves as a National Socialist?

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Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Seriously the whole "Caleb is a liar thing" is getting trollish at this point.

Maybe, and I should know better than to feed the trolls, but he just keeps trying to cover it's lies with more lies. It's stupid given the perfect record that is kept of everything he said.

Take a look at the two quoted statements in my post above. Feel free to ignore his general scientific ignorance if you would like, but it's clear to anyone that can read that he makes false statements to try and prove his points.

[Jabberwalker]

Has their ever been a GM product on sale (consumer or producer) that cross animal and plant genes?

The Pontiac Aztek came pretty close ...

[DrCaleb]

Xort Xort:

Take a look at the two quoted statements in my post above. Feel free to ignore his general scientific ignorance if you would like, but it's clear to anyone that can read that he makes false statements to try and prove his points.

You can prove anything you like, if you misquote enough.

HAND.

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DrCaleb DrCaleb:

You can prove anything you like, if you misquote enough.

Feel free to point out where you said 'no independent studies' rather than 'a sudden thing that only a never before tested in humans rice can cure'.

Also feel free to talk about in depth your newly discovered E.coli virus.

If I'm misquoting you, just quote the full section in context and prove me wrong.

But we know that you are not going to do that, and are instead going to pass it off as something you don't have to do for some reason.

[DrCaleb]

Xort Xort:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

You can prove anything you like, if you misquote enough.

Feel free to point out where you said 'no independent studies' rather than 'a sudden thing that only a never before tested in humans rice can cure'.

Earlier in this thread.

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

$1:

An editorial in the respected American scientific monthly magazine, Scientific American, August 2009 reveals the shocking and alarming reality behind the proliferation of GMO products throughout the food chain of the planet since 1994. There are no independent scientific studies published in any reputed scientific journal in the world for one simple reason. It is impossible to independently verify that GMO crops such as Monsanto Roundup Ready Soybeans or MON8110 GMO maize perform as the company claims, or that, as the company also claims, that they have no harmful side effects because the GMO companies forbid such tests!

http://www.globalresearch.ca/gmo-scanda ... mans/14570

health-wellness-f42/why-genetically-modifying-food-is-a-bad-idea-t106124-15.html#p2003774

Xort Xort:

Also feel free to talk about in depth your newly discovered E.coli virus.

Missed a word there.

From the same post:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Firstly, you are still asking me to defend things I didn't claim. Secondly, the latest trend in GMO veggies are ones like anti-cholera potatoes that provide an immune response to the eater. That requires the e. Coli virus-like genes (animal!) in the potatoe. Do you doubt more are being developed?

A mistake, for sure. But not a lie.

Xort Xort:

If I'm misquoting you, just quote the full section in context and prove me wrong.

But we know that you are not going to do that, and are instead going to pass it off as something you don't have to do for some reason.

Game, set, match. Have a nice life.

[BartSimpson]

Dr. C - saying that e.Coli has 'virus-like' genes is not a mistake - it's a quantified opinion. It's also something I've heard before and I imagine you picked it up from similar sources as I did.

It's like saying that Scarlett Johannson's performance in 'The Girl With a Pearl Earring' resembled the performance of Audrey Hepburn in 'Roman Holiday'.

It's an opinion that's quantified by personal perception and it is neither right or wrong. It simply is.

[DrCaleb]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Dr. C - saying that e.Coli has 'virus-like' genes is not a mistake - it's a quantified opinion. It's also something I've heard before and I imagine you picked it up from similar sources as I did.

It's like saying that Scarlett Johannson's performance in 'The Girl With a Pearl Earring' resembled the performance of Audrey Hepburn in 'Roman Holiday'.

It's an opinion that's quantified by personal perception and it is neither right or wrong. It simply is.

In that context, yes - it's an opinion, and opinions are neither right nor wrong. But I know full well that e-coli is a bacteria, not a virus. So, technically it's incorrect.

And I do see the Johansson/Hepburn parallel.

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DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Earlier in this thread.

Doesn't act as a qualifier of all statements later. You should have said independent study when you were talking about golden rice. Like how you should explain that E.coli virus is actually virus like genes. You should also explain that GMOs have hundreds of peer reviewed and published papers independently funded, and more over that both Canadian and USA, governments accept GMOs as safe for human consumption.

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

There are no independent scientific studies published in any reputed scientific journal in the world for one simple reason.[/b] It is impossible to independently verify that GMO crops such as Monsanto Roundup Ready Soybeans or MON8110 GMO maize perform as the company claims, or that, as the company also claims, that they have no harmful side effects because the GMO companies forbid such tests!

http://www.biofortified.org/genera/stud ... t-funding/
A short list of 126 independent studies. The list could be wrong, but the idea that no one has every studied a GMO is just goofy and paranoid.