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PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 4:51 am
 


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What??? You mean sustainable markets like every CDN franchise, NY, Philly, Chicago etc are holding up teams like St Louis and Nashville that can't even afford to keep the ice frozen? Say it aint so!


Even Canadian franchises were on the verge of bankruptcy in the late 80s/early 90s (Ottawa, Edmonton and even Montreal were RIGHT on the brink of dying). This was largely due to the inflation in players' salaries that the Blues generated with their reckless spending.


True but right now CDN franchises are among the healthiest in the league. Through revenue sharing its these teams that are keeping unprofitable ones like SL afloat.


IF our dollar tanks again, the Canadian teams will start losing money once again...


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On another note, it was the St. Louis Blues and their reckless spending in the 1980s that very nearly bankrupted the NHL and caused 2 strikes, but that's another matter altogether.


What??? You mean sustainable markets like every CDN franchise, NY, Philly, Chicago etc are holding up teams like St Louis and Nashville that can't even afford to keep the ice frozen? Say it aint so!


The Blues have tons of money thanks to Anheuser-Busch... Why do you think they won most of the bidding wars for free-agents, because they have no money?


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Well, to be fair, those three trips to the finals were in their first three seasons when the format was Original 6 versus Expansion. The Blues teams that got to those 3 finals were CERTAINLY the weakest 3 teams to ever play in the Stanley Cup finals and they were swept in each of those 3 series.


The fact remains the Blues went to the finals during those years. You can not in a Stalin like fashion tear those pages from the NHL history books because you disagree with the events that occurred...

By your logic then I can discount the Leafs Cup win in '67 as they only had to contend with 5 other teams in the NHL.... Much harder now to win the Cup when there's 29 other teams to battle with...


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 5:10 am
 


Blues year to date Wins/Losses/Ties....

http://stlblueshistory.tripod.com/wl_records.html


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1967-2007/08

W=1376
L=1311
T=432
OTL=41

points=3225

A little better then the Leafs but with nothing to show for it and as already pointed out, many years in a very weak division/conference.


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The fact remains the Blues went to the finals during those years. You can not in a Stalin like fashion tear those pages from the NHL history books because you disagree with the events that occurred...

By your logic then I can discount the Leafs Cup win in '67 as they only had to contend with 5 other teams in the NHL.... Much harder now to win the Cup when there's 29 other teams to battle with...


We are not trying to deny they happened but you can't deny they were in a VERY weak conference at the time. For example in the 67/68 season the top four teams in the Original Six conference had 94, 90, 84 and 80 points and these teams made the playoffs. The top four teams in the expansion franchise had 73, 72, 70 and 69 points. In other words none of these teams would have made the playoffs let alone the finals against the top teams in the other conference.

This disparity in team quality just showed itself even clearer when the Blues got swept all three times.


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Here is a fun fact, no expansion franchise won a playoff series against an original six franchise until Philly beat the Rangers 4-3 in the semi-finals in the 1974 playoffs.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 6:56 am
 


Direct playoff series (Leafs Vs Blues)

1986 Norris division finals: Blues 4-3
1987 Norris division semis: Leafs 4-2
1990 Norris division semis: Blues 4-1
1993 Norris division finals: Leafs 4-3
1996 Western conference finals: Blues 4-2

Total games won:
Leafs: 14
Blues: 17

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Leafs: 0
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Hi Derbyx, long time no see! how are you doing? what did you do to get your warnings up to 80%?


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The fact remains the Blues went to the finals during those years. You can not in a Stalin like fashion tear those pages from the NHL history books because you disagree with the events that occurred...


And those 3 final series were such a joke that the NHL changed the playoff format. I'm not attempting to "tear pages from history".

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By your logic then I can discount the Leafs Cup win in '67 as they only had to contend with 5 other teams in the NHL.... Much harder now to win the Cup when there's 29 other teams to battle with...


"Harder" is hard to define. Is it easier to win a championship competing against 5 strong teams or 15 watered down ones? In either case (and I'm not a Leafs fan), the 1967 Leafs would have WHIPPED any of the Blues teams that made the NHL finals.





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Wow, well wtf did you get that picture. I think that is me. With an Oiler jeresy on he looks exactly like me....


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In the 1968 Finals the Blues lost 4 straight to the very powerful Montreal Canadiens.. Yes I agree... BUT you are leaving out the fact every game was decided by a single goal and two of the games went into ot... (I'm going from memory and will try to find stats to backup my claim)....

Found a link to verify my claim...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1968_Stanley_Cup_Finals


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 8:27 am
 


stemmer wrote:
In the 1968 Finals the Blues lost 4 straight to the very powerful Montreal Canadiens.. Yes I agree... BUT you are leaving out the fact every game was decided by a single goal and two of the games went into ot... (I'm going from memory and will try to find stats to backup my claim)....

Found a link to verify my claim...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1968_Stanley_Cup_Finals


Fair enough. But you are leaving out the point that they got clobbered in the other two finals that they played in. 1969 the scores were 3-1, 3-1, 4-0 and 2-1. 1970 was worse with scores of 6-1, 6-2, 4-1 and 4-3 (OT).
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 8:47 am
 


In 1970 they were up against one of the most potential scoring machines the NHL ever saw until the arrival of the Oilers.... Orr, Espo, Hodge, Cashman, Bucyck & gang decimated just about everything in their path in NHL. In later years they would run into Dryden but that is a different story...


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 8:52 am
 


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In 1970 they were up against one of the most potential scoring machines the NHL ever saw until the arrival of the Oilers.... Orr, Espo, Hodge, Cashman, Bucyck & gang decimated just about everything in their path in NHL. In later years they would run into Dryden but that is a different story...


Doesn't change the fact that the Blues or any other expansion franchise were unable to compete against any of the Original Six franchises. They just weren't that good. Period.


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