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Is vigilante justice necessary in hockey?
Yes  52%  [ 11 ]
Only sometimes  29%  [ 6 ]
Never  19%  [ 4 ]
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 4:08 pm
 


no one wants to see cheap shots, there's nothing better than a clean hit. but what if there is a dirty hit? can that guy just skate off laughing and get a penalty....no, that guy gets his face filled in and maybe he'll think twice about it next time. hockey is a fast paced game that rellies on emotion and grit, if you take away fighting all you're going to see is cheap shots and goons. players have to be held accountable for their actions


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 5:42 pm
 


Okay having been in more than a few on ice altercations... fights generally last anywhere from 10-20 second max.. there some times is more wrestling and adjustment of position rather than punches thrown... but when the bombs land on target... it hurts in about f minutes... cuase your addreniline is pumping so hard... quite a rush... used to love sparing in martial arts same thing....lol 1 hockey players opinion.. it belongs in the game...


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 5:52 pm
 


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What is so great about fighting or hitting anymore? They all wear pads and helmets now. The most I have usually seen is they barley get their gloves off and maybe get a couple punches holding each other. Before there were no pads or helmets when you were checked into the boards you felt it. When they had a fight the gloves would be right off and they would actually fight. But I don't watch hockey for that sure it’s exciting but the real beauty of the game is in the plays and the skills of the players. Without that the game is boring to me and you might as well turn it into a boxing match.


Where have you been? Not watching hockey that's for sure. Helmets come off, so do the gloves, unless it's just a scrum. You don't think they feel it when they are checked into the boards? Come on, the skating and the skill level has gone up since the old days of no helmets, etc. The force they generate is much higher than before.

Sounds to me like you would prefer watching Euro hockey.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 7:02 am
 


I find that the only people who oppose fighting in hockey are people who don't really watch the sport or don't care. well, why the hell should we change our sport for someone who doesn't care about it?
Bettman is hurting loyal fans to attract some new ones, and i don't know why no ones doing anything about it


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 8:48 am
 


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Thats the old rugby/football agrument all over again.....Ive played em BOTH (along with hockey) and believe me I didnt feel HALF as invicible stepping on a rugby field as I did the grid iron...Ergo (yeah i used that word) you have a lot more weapons at your disposal; you can hurt a man a lot more if YOURE not worried about breakin in two.

The players in the NHL these days are bigger faster and stronger and if you dont think they "feel" gettin hit into the boards maybe I can arrange a little meeting between you and Mr. Phaneuf... Hockey Body Check

As for fighting its an intregral part of the game - look how much stick infractions have risen since the 'instigator" rule came into play.

Take away one avenue to relieve their aggression and they'll just find another.

Have you seen the old hockey games? Sure maybe the players were not as big but they still hit each other pretty hard. A lot more were missing teeth and were far more battered than today's players. What did the goalie have a baseball glove? Also when they had a fight they actually fought it didn't last 10 seconds.

But I don't believe in having 10 power plays for one team is good for the game either. I just want to see some good old hockey where the players actually play for something not just play to fill their wallets. Why can't they play a good game and not some cheap crap game of dirty hits and tripping?


Yes Ive "seen old hockey games" and while they "still hit each other hard' YOU do the math - you get hit with a bigger object ITS GONNA HURT MORE! And the reason players looked a little more "dentally challenged" these days is because dentistry wasnt advanced back then as it was today. Go into a locker room before a game and youd be surprised at the amount of false teeth and bridges lying on the benchs. Hell you ever see an interview with Theo Fluery? How bout Shanny?

Yeah.... not pretty.

This is an adjustment period right now for the league - the players are STARTING to come around to the "new" obstruction rules but its going to take some time and HOPEFULLY the powers that be dont recind the rule like they did with the "in the crease" one a few years back; rather than waiting for players to adjust they modified it once again.

The "cheap crap game of dirty hits and tripping" is not new.....just ask the HUNDREDS of guys who went into the corner with Gordie Howe and came out with an elbow in their ear....

Have to agree with Canucker....

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Sounds to me like you would prefer watching Euro hockey.


Sounds to me as if he has never actually played the game either, or he was one of the motor-mouths who never actually "stepped up to the plate" so to speak! 8O


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 9:14 am
 


Never liked hockey that much, and i liked even less when Todd Bertuzi sucker punched that other player. As far as im concerened if a fight breaks out on the ice the players should be charged under the criminal code and stiff jail sentences handed out, just as if the fight happned a 100 meteres outside the rink.

I dont care if your a hockey player, actor, singer or some other useless proffesion. If you break the law and if charged and found guilty you get treated like any other citizen.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 9:25 am
 


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Never liked hockey that much, and i liked even less when Todd Bertuzi sucker punched that other player. As far as im concerened if a fight breaks out on the ice the players should be charged under the criminal code and stiff jail sentences handed out, just as if the fight happned a 100 meteres outside the rink.

I dont care if your a hockey player, actor, singer or some other useless proffesion. If you break the law and if charged and found guilty you get treated like any other citizen.


Let's just take this to the next level.

1. Any stick fouls, criminal charges. (Assault with a weapon)
2. Any tripping, boarding, elbowing, criminal charges.(Assault of varying degrees)
3. Any checking, criminal charges.(Assault)

Sorry, involving the criminal code for things that happen on the ice is ridiculous. Start down that road and pretty soon the only professional sport left will be bowling or golf! 8O


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 9:30 am
 


I kinda figured this would come up. As far as professional boxing goes, get rid of it. there's nothing more idiotic (just my thoughts) than having two guys in ring trying - acutually trying to beach each other senseless so other people can watch and enjoy it?

Man maybe aggresive by nature but thats why over the millenia man has controlled the baser instincts to lash out unless for very good reason (the War on Terror is a very good example) But the idea that fighting in hockey is permissable - even laudible because we're 'agressive' fails the stink test.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 9:34 am
 


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Never liked hockey that much, and i liked even less when Todd Bertuzi sucker punched that other player. As far as im concerened if a fight breaks out on the ice the players should be charged under the criminal code and stiff jail sentences handed out, just as if the fight happned a 100 meteres outside the rink.

I dont care if your a hockey player, actor, singer or some other useless proffesion. If you break the law and if charged and found guilty you get treated like any other citizen.


Let's just take this to the next level.

1. Any stick fouls, criminal charges. (Assault with a weapon)
2. Any tripping, boarding, elbowing, criminal charges.(Assault of varying degrees)
3. Any checking, criminal charges.(Assault)

Sorry, involving the criminal code for things that happen on the ice is ridiculous. Start down that road and pretty soon the only professional sport left will be bowling or golf! 8O


Taking anything to the unreasonable extreme is ridiculous. If i were a liberal i would no doubt be spouting off about how evil it all is. Like i've said before. We're eithr equal under the law, and the law applies to everywhere in Canada or it doesnt, and if it doesnt i dare any plotician out there who has the brass ones to promulgate a special law for hockey Players so that there exampt from the criminal code as long as they have skates on

My feeling is that Bertuzzi shouldnt have been allowed to make a plea deal, they should have sent him up for trial. and if he was found guilty maybe a couple of years in the slammer might have had the usual hockey thugs reconsidering a new career path.


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HyperionTheEvil HyperionTheEvil:
2Cdo 2Cdo:
HyperionTheEvil HyperionTheEvil:
Never liked hockey that much, and i liked even less when Todd Bertuzi sucker punched that other player. As far as im concerened if a fight breaks out on the ice the players should be charged under the criminal code and stiff jail sentences handed out, just as if the fight happned a 100 meteres outside the rink.

I dont care if your a hockey player, actor, singer or some other useless proffesion. If you break the law and if charged and found guilty you get treated like any other citizen.


Let's just take this to the next level.

1. Any stick fouls, criminal charges. (Assault with a weapon)
2. Any tripping, boarding, elbowing, criminal charges.(Assault of varying degrees)
3. Any checking, criminal charges.(Assault)

Sorry, involving the criminal code for things that happen on the ice is ridiculous. Start down that road and pretty soon the only professional sport left will be bowling or golf! 8O


Taking anything to the unreasonable extreme is ridiculous. If i were a liberal i would no doubt be spouting off about how evil it all is. Like i've said before. We're eithr equal under the law, and the law applies to everywhere in Canada or it doesnt, and if it doesnt i dare any plotician out there who has the brass ones to promulgate a special law for hockey Players so that there exampt from the criminal code as long as they have skates on

My feeling is that Bertuzzi shouldnt have been allowed to make a plea deal, they should have sent him up for trial. and if he was found guilty maybe a couple of years in the slammer might have had the usual hockey thugs reconsidering a new career path.


Well it is fairly obvious you are not a hockey fan and are allowing your dislike for the game to colour your views.

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Never liked hockey that much,


Right there it is. I don't like Auto Racing, I guess I should push for speeding tickets and dangerous driving charges. You opened up this can of nonsense, I'm just playing along. :wink: :lol:


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2Cdo 2Cdo:
HyperionTheEvil HyperionTheEvil:
2Cdo 2Cdo:
HyperionTheEvil HyperionTheEvil:
Never liked hockey that much, and i liked even less when Todd Bertuzi sucker punched that other player. As far as im concerened if a fight breaks out on the ice the players should be charged under the criminal code and stiff jail sentences handed out, just as if the fight happned a 100 meteres outside the rink.

I dont care if your a hockey player, actor, singer or some other useless proffesion. If you break the law and if charged and found guilty you get treated like any other citizen.


Let's just take this to the next level.

1. Any stick fouls, criminal charges. (Assault with a weapon)
2. Any tripping, boarding, elbowing, criminal charges.(Assault of varying degrees)
3. Any checking, criminal charges.(Assault)

Sorry, involving the criminal code for things that happen on the ice is ridiculous. Start down that road and pretty soon the only professional sport left will be bowling or golf! 8O


Taking anything to the unreasonable extreme is ridiculous. If i were a liberal i would no doubt be spouting off about how evil it all is. Like i've said before. We're eithr equal under the law, and the law applies to everywhere in Canada or it doesnt, and if it doesnt i dare any plotician out there who has the brass ones to promulgate a special law for hockey Players so that there exampt from the criminal code as long as they have skates on

My feeling is that Bertuzzi shouldnt have been allowed to make a plea deal, they should have sent him up for trial. and if he was found guilty maybe a couple of years in the slammer might have had the usual hockey thugs reconsidering a new career path.


Well it is fairly obvious you are not a hockey fan and are allowing your dislike for the game to colour your views.

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Never liked hockey that much,


Right there it is. I don't like Auto Racing, I guess I should push for speeding tickets and dangerous driving charges. You opened up this can of nonsense, I'm just playing along. :wink: :lol:[/quote

Not true, i may not like hockey - but then i dont like cricket either. The problem being is that for some reason we allow hockey players to exist in the dream world where other 'celebreties' like paris hilton can commit crimes and get away with it.

And your generalizing, i didnt mention auto racing but if you want to hand out tickets no skin off my back. My concern is with hockey players who seem to think that they are somehow more 'special' than the rest of us. You either obeys the laws or break them at your peril.


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Well, next time I see a boxing match on television I'll be sure to report it to the authorities :lol:


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I kinda figured this would come up. As far as professional boxing goes, get rid of it. there's nothing more idiotic (just my thoughts) than having two guys in ring trying - acutually trying to beach each other senseless so other people can watch and enjoy it?

Man maybe aggresive by nature but thats why over the millenia man has controlled the baser instincts to lash out unless for very good reason (the War on Terror is a very good example) But the idea that fighting in hockey is permissable - even laudible because we're 'agressive' fails the stink test.


Have you ever BEEN on a pair of skates? :roll: :wink:

Well all that is fine and good; youre entitled to your opinion but i WILL say this...

Fighting will NEVER be banned from hockey; to do so would be the death of the game. All that screaming from the US networks years ago to ban dropping the gloves was laughable; have you ever watched a game from south of the 49th? When the boys drop the gloves the noise is deafening... after a while the execs dropped their pleas and returned to their little holes in the wall.

Enjoy your figure skating.....

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Man you must be fun on a date..... :wink:


dont skate, dont have the knack of it. But i didnt realize that skating on a hockey rink put one's self outside the law - - - how curious. We should inform the courts immediatley. Perhaps prepare a special brief before the Supreme court under a human rights violations for those poor hockey players.... :wink:

But i will say this, if fighting is all that keeps hockey alive it isnt that much of as a sport. Just dispense with the gloves and sticks and give them clubs with nails in them. saves the effort of pretense


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Not true, i may not like hockey - but then i dont like cricket either. The problem being is that for some reason we allow hockey players to exist in the dream world where other 'celebreties' like paris hilton can commit crimes and get away with it.

And your generalizing, i didnt mention auto racing but if you want to hand out tickets no skin off my back. My concern is with hockey players who seem to think that they are somehow more 'special' than the rest of us. You either obeys the laws or break them at your peril.


That's your problem right there. You are singling out hockey players, I just pointed out your hypocrosy and you got upset! :cry:

The bold is my addition to further point out your hypocrosy, now go back to watching the grade school spelling bee, because your whining is getting annoying.

[hockey] Guess which one you are? :lol:


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 10:13 am
 


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Not true, i may not like hockey - but then i dont like cricket either. The problem being is that for some reason we allow hockey players to exist in the dream world where other 'celebreties' like paris hilton can commit crimes and get away with it.

And your generalizing, i didnt mention auto racing but if you want to hand out tickets no skin off my back. My concern is with hockey players who seem to think that they are somehow more 'special' than the rest of us. You either obeys the laws or break them at your peril.


That's your problem right there. You are singling out hockey players, I just pointed out your hypocrosy and you got upset! :cry:

The bold is my addition to further point out your hypocrosy, now go back to watching the grade school spelling bee, because your whining is getting annoying.

[hockey] Guess which one you are? :lol:


You're missing the point, you pointed out that i didnt like hockey, big surprise i already mentioned that. you said i allowed it to colour my views. Like my opnion you have your own and i disagreed with. and since the topic of the thread has to do with the NHL who the hell else was i going to talk about? Croquet players?

If someone had some up with a thread "Should wiffle ball violence be allowed" then i imagine some people would have been suprised that wiffle-ball had any violence. but since this is about the NHL violence it seems entirely reaasonable to talk about--- Duh! --- NHL violence.

I suggest you try reading the thread topic before posting, it helps you to make more sense :wink:


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