[ShepherdsDog]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-bruns ... g-138.html

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The court document says the boy was yelling at passing cars, unbuckling his seatbelt, throwing things and kicking the back of his mother’s seat.

The father warned the child that if he continued to misbehave he would be spanked. After repeated warnings, the father ended up spanking the child.

Immediate consequences after repeated verbal warning for engaging in dangerous behaviour(seat belt removal and throwing things in the car).

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Millicent Boldon, a Crown witness who watched the spanking, told the trial that she could hear the child yelling, “You’re beating me senseless. Stop. You’re hurting me.” She said the boy was hit at least 10 times.

A six year old said this?

I was spanked as a child, and it was always my mother...the old man had a 'look' and that was all it took. I can only remember him ever smacking me once. With my kids, if they got a spanking, it was the least pissed off parent who administered it, and it was followed by a Q and A session of why they thought they were punished....and a detailing of events leading to said punishment. Mind you it doesn't seem to work the same for all kids. With our eldest, just one was enough to turn on the waterworks, and manually adjust the attitude for a loooooong time. However, with our youngest, his last spanking was SMACK..'Doesn't hurt'....SMACK "Nope, still doesn't hurt"...SMACK 'Nope!' Took away his Wii and TV privileges for two weeks and that brought on tears and an improvement of attitude though.
Corporal punishment was still allowed in school when i started as well. i remember getting the ruler across my hands. Too many people don't understand the difference between abuse and punishment and when it crosses the line. Those people scare me and i think they are the ones who have abused or would abuse children.

[dino_bobba_renno]

I think one thing you have to look at here is what does "spanking" mean to you and others. For some it's getting bent over someone’s knee and "spanked", to others its giving your kid a swat on the bum or hand. The problem now a days is that any type of contact is considered spanking which I think is wrong.

I'm not a big believer in spanking myself but when my kids were younger sometimes giving them a swat on the bum or hand was the only way to communicate that they shouldn't touch something or do something. I'm sorry to say but you can't sit a 2 or 3 year old down and explain to them why they shouldn't stick their fingers in a light socket.

Luckily for me I didn't have to resort to that very often, hell my youngest breaks down and starts crying even at the thought of being in trouble .

Silly thing is that the debate on "punishment" has gone so over board that it seems like any type of punishment is considered inappropriate by some. We had one family who thought we we're going over board because we use to give our oldest daughter 5 minute time outs when she was having a tantrum.

[ShepherdsDog]

people complain about how wild and undisciplined kids are and then you get knob gobblers calling good parents abusers for paddling misbehaving children. for me i tend to smack the hands, as that is usually what is getting our youngest in trouble.

[Psudo]

My brother-in-law holds his little boy upside down when he's throwing a tantrum and says, "Being right-side-up is a privilege." Usually it gets the kid laughing and having fun, diffusing the problem. If not, he gets to stand in the corner for a few minutes. If he throws a tantrum in the corner, he gets spanked and sent to his room.

When I was little (about 9, I think), I remember being flicked on the head on time when I was being a pain. Nothing like a good, sharp pain to get your attention, eh?

If a kid comes out of punishment with bruises, scratches, blood, or other serious injury, it's clearly abuse. If it's a sudden twinge of pain in an otherwise good life, stop yer whining; it's fine. If it's a judgement call, make the call.

[PostFactum]

Yes I was spanked, you know, nothing bad. Of cource, I won't be doing that for my kids, but I know that for me it was good.

[PostFactum]

Psudo wrote:

My brother-in-law holds his little boy upside down when he's throwing a tantrum and says, "Being right-side-up is a privilege." Usually it gets the kid laughing and having fun, diffusing the problem. If not, he gets to stand in the corner for a few minutes. If he throws a tantrum in the corner, he gets spanked and sent to his room.

When I was little (about 9, I think), I remember being flicked on the head on time when I was being a pain. Nothing like a good, sharp pain to get your attention, eh?

If a kid comes out of punishment with bruises, scratches, blood, or other serious injury, it's clearly abuse. If it's a sudden twinge of pain in an otherwise good life, stop yer whining; it's fine. If it's a judgement call, make the call.

Cutting off an internet with WOW or Lineage (In Ukraine and Russia), switching off cable TV and no pocket money is more cruel than a good spank with metal rod.

[ShepherdsDog]

Psudo wrote:

My brother-in-law holds his little boy upside down when he's throwing a tantrum and says, "Being right-side-up is a privilege." Usually it gets the kid laughing and having fun, diffusing the problem. If not, he gets to stand in the corner for a few minutes. If he throws a tantrum in the corner, he gets spanked and sent to his room.

When I was little (about 9, I think), I remember being flicked on the head on time when I was being a pain. Nothing like a good, sharp pain to get your attention, eh?

If a kid comes out of punishment with bruises, scratches, blood, or other serious injury, it's clearly abuse. If it's a sudden twinge of pain in an otherwise good life, stop yer whining; it's fine. If it's a judgement call, make the call.

It's funny, how in many sit coms you see the wife hit the husband and that's considered humorous.

[OnTheIce]

Kids need fear in their lives to keep them straight. A tap on the arse now and again keeps them in line.

[Psudo]

PostFactum wrote:

Cutting off an internet with WOW or Lineage (In Ukraine and Russia), switching off cable TV and no pocket money is more cruel than a good spank with metal rod.

My parents' house has never had cable TV, and they didn't get internet until I was 17. I also never had an allowance, though I could get paid for certain chores. You can't threaten to take away what kids don't have.

Most of my obedience to parents in my younger years was because they had a point, not because they had the power. Most of my rebellion was because they didn't have a point and were relying on power, or at least I thought so. I wasn't raised to respond to threats.

ShepherdsDog wrote:

It's funny, how in many sit coms you see the wife hit the husband and that's considered humorous.

"...one of these days... POW!!! Right in the kisser! One of these days Alice, straight to the Moon!" Except in reverse.

My wife smacks me around a bit when I tease her, and I respond with kisses and teasing. No bruises or battery, all in good fun.

Most things are funny when you take them lightly and frightening when you take them seriously. I think it's proof of the vagueness of our common definitions more than anything else. The extent of the harm is the proof of abuse.

[BFYC]

We sit and complain that kids are so wild now, so uncontrolled, but then when parents are actually trying to get a child to behave they can now be worried they will be charged for it. This is insanity, pure and simple.

[Hyack]

OnTheIce wrote:

Kids need fear in their lives to keep them straight. A tap on the arse now and again keeps them in line.

Fear of what, a beating by their parents for doing something wrong? Maybe being given a little knowledge about what is right or wrong would go farther than a spanking. Learning to respect the decisions and expectations of their parents and others would go a lot farther in the long run than fear ever would.

[andyt]

Hyack wrote:

OnTheIce wrote:

Kids need fear in their lives to keep them straight. A tap on the arse now and again keeps them in line.

Fear of what, a beating by their parents for doing something wrong? Maybe being given a little knowledge about what is right or wrong would go farther than a spanking. Learning to respect the decisions and expectations of their parents and others would go a lot farther in the long run than fear ever would.

There's a difference between beating and a quick spanking.

That said, I think if you're resorting to spanking it's just a failure in parenting - parents that don't want to take the time it takes for more effective measures in the long run.

I'm surprised to hear you say this - I thought I was the only one on this forum that's for coddling kids.

[Hyack]

I'm definitely not for "coddling" one's children, I'm also not for physical punishment for any and all transgressions, a smack on the butt may be needed on occasion but teaching a child right from wrong in the first place is what is really needed.

[andyt]

Coddling was meant sarcastically, because that's what's thrown at people who don't believe in spanking. Natural and logical consequences is what's needed to teach a child the limits to his/her behavior. Takes a lot more effort on the part of the parent tho.

[Gunnair]

andyt wrote:

Hyack wrote:

OnTheIce wrote:

Kids need fear in their lives to keep them straight. A tap on the arse now and again keeps them in line.

Fear of what, a beating by their parents for doing something wrong? Maybe being given a little knowledge about what is right or wrong would go farther than a spanking. Learning to respect the decisions and expectations of their parents and others would go a lot farther in the long run than fear ever would.

There's a difference between beating and a quick spanking.

That said, I think if you're resorting to spanking it's just a failure in parenting - parents that don't want to take the time it takes for more effective measures in the long run.

I'm surprised to hear you say this - I thought I was the only one on this forum that's for coddling kids.

Do you have kids?