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Should Indian Reserves Be Disbanded?
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 8:38 am
 


Existing legalities aside, in your opinion should native reserves be disbanded?


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 8:47 am
 


I think it's an excellent opportunity to bring natives together with all other Canadians, but we know this will never happen.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 8:48 am
 


Tomorrow? No, but it should be a goal for the near future to have them phased out.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 10:58 am
 


I say yes. I had a big argument some time ago with a friend of a friend about this. I think they are doing much more harm than god.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 11:20 am
 


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I think it's an excellent opportunity to bring natives together with all other Canadians, but we know this will never happen.


aha , you mean like the hutterites or just shut-em-down :roll:


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 12:07 pm
 


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2Cdo wrote:
I think it's an excellent opportunity to bring natives together with all other Canadians, but we know this will never happen.


aha , you mean like the hutterites or just shut-em-down :roll:


Yea, that's what I meant. :roll: Do you think the reserves serve the native population properly? No accountability, massive unemployment, substandard housing.

The idea of equality seems lost on some here. I mean true equality, no special favours for any race/culture, ALL treated the same. Or do you prefer the way things are now?

The reserves should be shut down, they aren't working. But it can't be done overnight it will take time. In the end I think it would honestly be the best thing for natives.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 12:13 pm
 


2Cdo wrote:
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2Cdo wrote:
I think it's an excellent opportunity to bring natives together with all other Canadians, but we know this will never happen.


aha , you mean like the hutterites or just shut-em-down :roll:


Yea, that's what I meant. :roll: Do you think the reserves serve the native population properly? No accountability, massive unemployment, substandard housing.

The idea of equality seems lost on some here. I mean true equality, no special favours for any race/culture, ALL treated the same. Or do you prefer the way things are now?

The reserves should be shut down, they aren't working. But it can't be done overnight it will take time. In the end I think it would honestly be the best thing for natives.


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2Cdo wrote:
Banff wrote:
2Cdo wrote:
I think it's an excellent opportunity to bring natives together with all other Canadians, but we know this will never happen.


aha , you mean like the hutterites or just shut-em-down :roll:


Yea, that's what I meant. :roll: Do you think the reserves serve the native population properly? No accountability, massive unemployment, substandard housing.

The idea of equality seems lost on some here. I mean true equality, no special favours for any race/culture, ALL treated the same. Or do you prefer the way things are now?

The reserves should be shut down, they aren't working. But it can't be done overnight it will take time. In the end I think it would honestly be the best thing for natives.


My point behind hutterites is that not everyone lives the same or should they . I think the emphasis behind your point is that they should make or break it (live or die ) on their own.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 12:25 pm
 


Banff wrote:
2Cdo wrote:
Banff wrote:
2Cdo wrote:
I think it's an excellent opportunity to bring natives together with all other Canadians, but we know this will never happen.


aha , you mean like the hutterites or just shut-em-down :roll:


Yea, that's what I meant. :roll: Do you think the reserves serve the native population properly? No accountability, massive unemployment, substandard housing.

The idea of equality seems lost on some here. I mean true equality, no special favours for any race/culture, ALL treated the same. Or do you prefer the way things are now?

The reserves should be shut down, they aren't working. But it can't be done overnight it will take time. In the end I think it would honestly be the best thing for natives.


My point behind hutterites is that not everyone lives the same or should they . I think the emphasis behind your point is that they should make or break it (live or die ) on their own.


And how is that wrong. If natives want to stay on a "reserve" fine, but no more handouts. It's time to break the "culture of entitlement" that exists on some/most reserves. With access to free education throughout university for natives, few ever go on. The system is broke, it's time to change it.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 1:08 pm
 


Depends on what the Natives want. They still have Sovereign powers and as such it is not up to us(non-Natives) to unilaterally decide their fate.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 2:34 pm
 


2Cdo wrote:
Banff wrote:
2Cdo wrote:
Banff wrote:
2Cdo wrote:
I think it's an excellent opportunity to bring natives together with all other Canadians, but we know this will never happen.


aha , you mean like the hutterites or just shut-em-down :roll:


Yea, that's what I meant. :roll: Do you think the reserves serve the native population properly? No accountability, massive unemployment, substandard housing.

The idea of equality seems lost on some here. I mean true equality, no special favours for any race/culture, ALL treated the same. Or do you prefer the way things are now?

The reserves should be shut down, they aren't working. But it can't be done overnight it will take time. In the end I think it would honestly be the best thing for natives.


My point behind hutterites is that not everyone lives the same or should they . I think the emphasis behind your point is that they should make or break it (live or die ) on their own.


And how is that wrong. If natives want to stay on a "reserve" fine, but no more handouts. It's time to break the "culture of entitlement" that exists on some/most reserves. With access to free education throughout university for natives, few ever go on. The system is broke, it's time to change it.


Very few Cons , Liberals , Corps , farmers , students , etc make it on their own ...they just think they do and have alot of lipservice to offer . Tax dollars take care of alot of things infact too many things , and besides if everyone went to university a good portion of them would have to be and remain unemployed ...but thats the way it already is . Social cutbacks have to come from alot of sources not just natives and reserves . Two million students are going to bitch just as often and quickly as two million Indians .


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 2:54 pm
 


sandorski wrote:
Depends on what the Natives want. They still have Sovereign powers and as such it is not up to us(non-Natives) to unilaterally decide their fate.



Sovereign powers? I'm not sure I know what those are in Canada for the Indians. Could you explain that a bit please.





PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 3:00 pm
 


Interesting.

I guess everyone has their own opinion.

My opinion is that we are paying for the mistakes of our forefathers on both sides.

For example I would prefer to go back to the days of the treaties and clearly define them a little better and make everyone accountable for following them.

It’s also true that the non-Aboriginals pay for the mistakes of their forefathers by simply having to live up to the legacy that is left in terms of support payments for the people they cheated, stole from and "civilized".

I find it ironic that the same people who blame natives for being wards of the state while at the same time condemning them for asking for the land back that was stole from them by the Canadians. I mean maybe that land could have been used for the First Nations to provide for themselves...instead Canada chose to provide for them. Funny thing is for thousands of years the First Nations provided for themselves without welfare, tax breaks and reserves.

Don't you think if people would have been a little more enlightened years ago that life would be simpler now?

Now take that and learn from it...let try to be a little more enlightened about these things today so the legacy we all leave to our children’s children is a little better then what was left to us, on all sides.

And its not going to be non-aboriginals who decide these days how First nations participate in the world economy. You will see our names on top of office towers and banks and gas stations and all kinds of businesses earning our own way and paying taxes and helping our people escape poverty.

And this time there is not a thing you can do to stop us. Of course some of you will try, because you'd rather see us on welfare then on the board of directors.

AND we'll keep the little plots of land left for us as a reminder of where we came from.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 3:12 pm
 


Yes! It's far past time for them to assimilate into the 21st century.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 3:18 pm
 


Donny_Brasco wrote:
And its not going to be non-aboriginals who decide these days how First nations participate in the world economy. You will see our names on top of office towers and banks and gas stations and all kinds of businesses earning our own way and paying taxes and helping our people escape poverty.

And this time there is not a thing you can do to stop us. Of course some of you will try, because you'd rather see us on welfare then on the board of directors.


Bit o' resentment, perhaps?

What makes you think that "non-aboriginals" don't want to see this happen? Unlike you, apparently, I don't care who is creating wealth for the economy, as long as they earn it.


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