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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 6:56 pm
 


Abbas you directed me to be polite, so I shall. The following is an article about a young woman who was regularly beaten in a democratic country for not making "Sandwiches" fresh enough on the correct day. She eventually died from her beatings, I believe the family members who shielded the abuser should be charged with "Criminal Negligence" causing harm. He beat her to death, but they stayed silent in a free and democratic country. What do you think? In Canada, I hope, his family would be charged because they did not report a "Crime" was being committed.

Life for man who abused and then killed teenage bride from Pakistan
By Ian Herbert
Published: 12 January 2007
A husband who beat his teenage bride to death weeks after she arrived from Pakistan in an arranged marriage was convicted of her murder yesterday and jailed for life.

Shazad Khan, 25, whose 19-year-old wife's injuries were worse than any a Home Office pathologist had seen in a 16-year career, will serve a minimum of 15 years before he is eligible for parole.

The prospect of life in Britain held out hope for Khan's young bride Sabia Rani, who had left school at 13 to help with the cooking, cleaning and the raising of her siblings in the village of Palak, in the Mirpur district of Pakistan. She shared a small home there with her grandmother, parents, two brothers and one sister.

She met Khan when he visited Pakistan for a family funeral in December 2002 and they married, but it was not until December 2005 that she arrived in Britain, with no grasp of English and little sense of the lifestyle.

The first signs were not good. Her new husband expected domesticity from her and was unhappy to find that she did not place fresh sandwiches in his lunch box, which he left in the kitchen at the family home at Oakwood Grange, Roundhay, Leeds. When she did produce sandwiches, she had failed to establish that he was off work the following day, which also angered him.Ms Rani also found herself living with up to eight - members of her husband's westernised family yet struggled to fit in with any of them, according to Khan.She rarely saw her husband, who worked long hours and had three jobs. Khan told police that his own mother had raised five children while his father worked 14-hour days at a factory - so that is "how it would be" for Sabia.

The smallest tasks - visiting the supermarket or knowing how to apply the make-up her husband expected her to wear - were difficult for her, Khan told detectives under interview. He admitted this irritated him, as did her failure to fit in with the family.

Khan's mother believed Ms Rani was possessed by evil spirits. This was confirmed by a "holy man" in Bradford, who did not meet Ms Rani but told her in-laws about her "problem" after performing a ceremony involving a top she wore.
Khan told his work supervisor that he was unhappy with his marriage because he had been rushed into it, and soon began kicking and beating his wife.Leeds Crown Court heard that Ms Rani's injuries, similar to those of a car crash victim, were so severe that she would have been in constant pain and ill for at least three weeks before she died.

Yet Khan's sister said she had seen no evidence of injuries. She and Ms Rani had been great friends, she said.

Ms Rani was found dead in a bath of cold water at the family home on 21 May last year, after another attack.

The Recorder of Leeds, Judge Norman Jones, QC, criticised Khan's family. "I can't help but note that others in that house, that very intimate family, must have known," he said. The court heard further inquiries where being made with the family following the conviction.


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Scrappy Scrappy:
Abbas you directed me to be polite, so I shall. The following is an article about a young woman who was regularly beaten in a democratic country for not making "Sandwiches" fresh enough on the correct day. She eventually died from her beatings, I believe the family members who shielded the abuser should be charged with "Criminal Negligence" causing harm. He beat her to death, but they stayed silent in a free and democratic country. What do you think? In Canada, I hope, his family would be charged because they did not report a "Crime" was being committed.

Life for man who abused and then killed teenage bride from Pakistan
By Ian Herbert
Published: 12 January 2007
A husband who beat his teenage bride to death weeks after she arrived from Pakistan in an arranged marriage was convicted of her murder yesterday and jailed for life.

Shazad Khan, 25, whose 19-year-old wife's injuries were worse than any a Home Office pathologist had seen in a 16-year career, will serve a minimum of 15 years before he is eligible for parole.

The prospect of life in Britain held out hope for Khan's young bride Sabia Rani, who had left school at 13 to help with the cooking, cleaning and the raising of her siblings in the village of Palak, in the Mirpur district of Pakistan. She shared a small home there with her grandmother, parents, two brothers and one sister.

She met Khan when he visited Pakistan for a family funeral in December 2002 and they married, but it was not until December 2005 that she arrived in Britain, with no grasp of English and little sense of the lifestyle.

The first signs were not good. Her new husband expected domesticity from her and was unhappy to find that she did not place fresh sandwiches in his lunch box, which he left in the kitchen at the family home at Oakwood Grange, Roundhay, Leeds. When she did produce sandwiches, she had failed to establish that he was off work the following day, which also angered him.Ms Rani also found herself living with up to eight - members of her husband's westernised family yet struggled to fit in with any of them, according to Khan.She rarely saw her husband, who worked long hours and had three jobs. Khan told police that his own mother had raised five children while his father worked 14-hour days at a factory - so that is "how it would be" for Sabia.

The smallest tasks - visiting the supermarket or knowing how to apply the make-up her husband expected her to wear - were difficult for her, Khan told detectives under interview. He admitted this irritated him, as did her failure to fit in with the family.

Khan's mother believed Ms Rani was possessed by evil spirits. This was confirmed by a "holy man" in Bradford, who did not meet Ms Rani but told her in-laws about her "problem" after performing a ceremony involving a top she wore.
Khan told his work supervisor that he was unhappy with his marriage because he had been rushed into it, and soon began kicking and beating his wife.Leeds Crown Court heard that Ms Rani's injuries, similar to those of a car crash victim, were so severe that she would have been in constant pain and ill for at least three weeks before she died.

Yet Khan's sister said she had seen no evidence of injuries. She and Ms Rani had been great friends, she said.

Ms Rani was found dead in a bath of cold water at the family home on 21 May last year, after another attack.

The Recorder of Leeds, Judge Norman Jones, QC, criticised Khan's family. "I can't help but note that others in that house, that very intimate family, must have known," he said. The court heard further inquiries where being made with the family following the conviction.



Why is it that anything involving a Muslim is blamed directly and solely on his religion and not himself? It is only done with Muslims and no other faith.

Islam, from my understanding was a lot more progressive about women's rights from its inception than Christianity was at its outset.


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If this was the fault of Islam, why isn't the mass murders of Robert Pickton the fault of Christianity? Just curious.


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and it's gone down hill from there.


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westernised family my ass, This guy will get his ass kicked in jail, I hope it happens everyday.


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Firecat Firecat:
If this was the fault of Islam, why isn't the mass murders of Robert Pickton the fault of Christianity? Just curious.


Because he's a crazy fuck. NEXT.


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firecat you should be ashamed, his entire family knew he was beating her daily as the Koren directs he can. Yet the family isn't charged with premeditated murder, what did they think he wasn't going to beat her to death over sandwiches? He did, if you think this is an isolated incedent you will be proven wrong. Shame on you.

You should be ashamed of yourself Firecat, that child died a awful death because she didn't meet his every demand under Islamic "Law" which is legal in England. It's called Sharia Law. I will not allow Muslim women to be subjected to this law Firecat, you can try but I'll scream you down at every turn. Have you no shame?

If you think the above article is frighting read this one: England pandered to their desire to treat women like trash it has nothing on what they are preaching at the pulpit.

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Every Friday, the Muslim worshippers begin to arrive just after midday on an anonymous Home Counties urban street. They are hoping to secure a good spot during the weekly Islamic prayer meeting, a short walk from the Surrey town of Sutton's bustling High Street and the old parish church of St Nicholas.

They include teenage boys, college students and adult men - a crowd of 100 people, some in white robes and carrying the Koran. Here, in Robin Hood Lane, they are eager to hear the words of a preacher called Abdul Latif and to join him in prayer.

It seems an unlikely setting but it is in places such as Sutton that one can discover the uncomfortable truth about how deeply the tentacles of radical Islam have spread.

The Muslim cleric preaching hatred and Islamic supremacy is a middle-aged family man with two daughters. He is a skilled orator - by profession an engineer and a brilliant teacher of Arabic who has lived in Britain for three decades.

Yet what he preaches at Friday prayers is a chillingly vituperative litany against his adopted country and the non-Muslims who live here. This is despite the fact that under the Racial and Religious Hatred Act brought in last year, it is an offence to stir up racial or religious hatred, intentionally or otherwise, in a public or private place, including mosques.

Mr Latif has called Tony Blair a 'murderer'; he says that every British soldier in Iraq should be killed and he proclaims that the London bombings in July 2005 (an atrocity in which 57 innocents died) was orchestrated by the Government.

'We don't have Muslim terrorists... they do not exist. But anything that they (the Government) claim is Muslim terror, they do it themselves,' Mr Latif informed his devoted followers one week.

A week later, he said: 'The British soldiers are the soldiers of Satan, the soldiers of evil, of evilness. And I pray to Allah openly and in English that they will not return back except when they are dead - all of them.'

During these religious speeches, monitored by the Mail over a period of a month, he also condemned the Pope as a loud-mouthed drunk and said President Bush's Secretary of State, Condoleezza Rice, was an unclean fornicator.

Non-Muslims in Britain, declared Mr Latif, are dirty, unclean people who never wash their hands and become ill because of their own sexual promiscuity. He went on to denounce British democracy as 'demon-ocracy' and praised the shariah laws of Islam under which thieves have their hands cut off and adulterous women are stoned to death in public.

In another inflammatory outburst, made directly to 'youngsters' at the prayer meeting, Mr Latif said that the British and Americans were deliberately trying to destroy the reputation of Islam and Muslims.

And the reaction of his congregation in a youth centre sports hall (rented to Mr Latif's religious organisation, Companions of the Mosque, by Sutton local education authority)? A few murmured their approval but, much more disturbingly, when the cleric pretended to forget the person he called 'the dictator of Britain', a young man listening from his prayer mat quickly shouted out: 'Blair!'

As one worshipper told us: 'Please don't think that Mr Latif is alone in what he says. In many mosques, whether they are in the suburbs or the towns or the cities, there are imams (Islamic clerics) just like him giving powerful speeches which are turning Muslim worshippers against this country.

'The preachers say that Christians, the Jews and other religions will always be the enemy. A whole generation of young Muslims is being brainwashed into believing such inflammatory things,' the middle-aged professional man who is a devout follower of Islam told us.

Similar stories emerging from Britain's mosques have long been dismissed as untrue by the Muslim community and their leaders. The Muslim Council of Britain says most imams are moderate men.

So the Mail asked Mr Latif why he had voiced such explosive views at his Friday meetings, particularly to an audience that included impressionable young Muslims under 25.

Speaking to us by telephone, he did not deny a word, saying: 'I was, though, speaking at private prayers. I would not say the same things in public, out on the street, because it wouldn't bring harmony.' He refused to comment further.

Yet on Monday, another investigation into Britain's mosques, by Channel 4's respected Dispatches programme, will reveal worrying evidence of just how rife Islamic extremism is among Muslim preachers.

The undercover TV inquiry, conducted over ten months, reveals some religious clerics urging their congregations to start preparing for jihad (holy war) against infidels or non-Muslims. Another is caught on camera telling families to hit their daughters for not covering their heads with the veil or hijab.

One imam from a Derby mosque, called Dr Ijaz Mian, was filmed calling for the creation of an Islamic 'state within a state' in Britain before the country is taken over by Muslims.

Addressing a group of youths, he said: 'King. Queen. House of Commons ... if you accept it, you are part of it. If you don't accept it, you have to dismantle it. So you being a Muslim, you have to fix a target. There will be no House of Commons ... Muslims just grow in strength ... then take over.'

The programme paints an alarming picture of how preachers, even at what are regarded as the most moderate mosques, urge their followers to reject Britain's legal system in favour of shariah law and its radical rulebook.

The investigators spent four months filming undercover at one mosque, Green Lane in Birmingham, which caters for thousands of worshippers.

The main preacher is Abu Usamah, an American convert to Islam, who studied at Medinah University in Saudi Arabia, before coming to Britain. He is seen telling worshippers not to believe that Islamic terrorists are operating in Britain, as all non-Muslims are liars.

In another sequence, he is heard saying that Christians and Jews are 'kuffaars' (non-believers) and the enemies of Islam. 'No one loves the kuffaar, not a single person loves the kuffaar,' he rants. 'We hate the kuffaar!' Then he adds, triumphantly: 'Allah has not given those people who are kuffaar a way over the believer. They shouldn't be in authority over us. Muslims shouldn't be satisfied with anything other than a total Islamic state.

'I encourage all of you to begin to cultivate ourselves for the time that is fast approaching - where the tables are going to turn and the Muslims are going to be in the position of being uppermost in strength. And when that happens, people won't get killed - unjustly,' he promises.

As for women, he says they are 'deficient, even if they have a PhD. Her intellect is incomplete. She may be suffering from hormones that will make her emotional. It takes two witnesses of a woman to equal the one witness of a man.'

He goes on to say that gays deserve to die. 'If I were to call homosexuals perverted, dirty, filthy dogs who should be murdered ... that's my freedom of speech, isn't it?'

The TV investigators also bought damning videos and DVDs of speeches by Muslim preachers from a shop at the London Central Mosque in Regent's Park.

The mosque has always been hailed by the Muslim Council of Britain and the Government as a symbol of reason and mainstream Islamic life in this country.

But the programme's team found copies of films of preachers decrying the equality of women as a 'bunch of foolishness' and claiming that Christian missionaries put the Aids virus into medicines in order to poison the people of Africa.

The TV exposé, like the Mail's own investigation in Surrey, shows that the systematic brainwashing of Muslims by their religious leaders is now commonplace. And it appears to be producing results.

Just five months ago, a national survey of 1,000 British Muslims, including the young and the old, male and female, revealed that 30 per cent wanted to live under shariah law and less than half referred to the United Kingdom as their country.

Twenty-eight per cent said they believed Britain should be an Islamic state. In another worrying sign, one in three young Muslims said that the London bombings were justified because Britain had joined America in the 'war on terror'.

There are 1,600 mosques in Britain and 3,000 imams who preach in them. Many of these religious mentors may be balanced in their views, but a dangerous minority are plainly not.

Former MI5 spy and Muslim Reda Hassaine told the Mail this week: 'Everything that is said in the mosques of the Islamic countries is being said in British mosques, too. Why not? The religious clerics who come to Britain will not change their views because they now preach here.'

The Algerian has worked undercover in this country's mosques for seven years, including the infamous

Finsbury Park Mosque in North London. He was one of the earliest to warn the British intelligence services of the 'enemy within' - Islamic clerics who are systematically brainwashing young Muslims into hating their country.

At Finsbury Park, he watched the inflammatory speeches of the radical hook-handed cleric Abu Hamza, now imprisoned for inciting murder and racial hatred. It was there that the firebrand cleric prayed beside the British-born shoe-bomber Richard Reid, found guilty in America of trying to blow up a passenger plane.

Hassaine said: 'I saw the brainwashing of disenchanted men and boys, week after week and month after month. Some were persuaded to become freedom fighters or suicide bombers for Al Qaeda because of what they were told in our mosques. Today, nothing has changed.'

Yesterday we went back to Sutton to see the worshippers flocking to hear Mr Latif make his weekly sermon at the youth centre. He has boasted that his popularity, particularly among the young, is growing. On a blustery and chilly winter day, the number arriving to hang on his every word was as big as ever.


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Wasting your time Scrappy, some people think they are isolated incidents. Then trying to turn it around like firecat did a couple posts ago. I have the feeling they would deny it if it happened right in front of them.


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hwacker hwacker:
Firecat Firecat:
If this was the fault of Islam, why isn't the mass murders of Robert Pickton the fault of Christianity? Just curious.


Because he's a crazy fuck. NEXT.


And the guy who beat his wife to death was a crazy fuck too only folks here prefer to blame his religion. But only when it's a Muslim.

The only shame i feel is that a countryman is being such a bigotted-ass by insisting that for Muslims ONLY is it the fault of their religion. Apply the same standards to all people and their faiths.

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Scrappy Scrappy:
firecat you should be ashamed, his entire family knew he was beating her daily as the Koren directs he can. Yet the family isn't charged with premeditated murder, what did they think he wasn't going to beat her to death over sandwiches? He did, if you think this is an isolated incedent you will be proven wrong. Shame on you.

You should be ashamed of yourself Firecat, that child died a awful death because she didn't meet his every demand under Islamic "Law" which is legal in England. It's called Sharia Law. I will not allow Muslim women to be subjected to this law Firecat, you can try but I'll scream you down at every turn. Have you no shame?

If you think the above article is frighting read this one: England pandered to their desire to treat women like trash it has nothing on what they are preaching at the pulpit.

And still they're preaching poison
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Every Friday, the Muslim worshippers begin to arrive just after midday on an anonymous Home Counties urban street. They are hoping to secure a good spot during the weekly Islamic prayer meeting, a short walk from the Surrey town of Sutton's bustling High Street and the old parish church of St Nicholas.

They include teenage boys, college students and adult men - a crowd of 100 people, some in white robes and carrying the Koran. Here, in Robin Hood Lane, they are eager to hear the words of a preacher called Abdul Latif and to join him in prayer.

It seems an unlikely setting but it is in places such as Sutton that one can discover the uncomfortable truth about how deeply the tentacles of radical Islam have spread.

The Muslim cleric preaching hatred and Islamic supremacy is a middle-aged family man with two daughters. He is a skilled orator - by profession an engineer and a brilliant teacher of Arabic who has lived in Britain for three decades.

Yet what he preaches at Friday prayers is a chillingly vituperative litany against his adopted country and the non-Muslims who live here. This is despite the fact that under the Racial and Religious Hatred Act brought in last year, it is an offence to stir up racial or religious hatred, intentionally or otherwise, in a public or private place, including mosques.

Mr Latif has called Tony Blair a 'murderer'; he says that every British soldier in Iraq should be killed and he proclaims that the London bombings in July 2005 (an atrocity in which 57 innocents died) was orchestrated by the Government.

'We don't have Muslim terrorists... they do not exist. But anything that they (the Government) claim is Muslim terror, they do it themselves,' Mr Latif informed his devoted followers one week.

A week later, he said: 'The British soldiers are the soldiers of Satan, the soldiers of evil, of evilness. And I pray to Allah openly and in English that they will not return back except when they are dead - all of them.'

During these religious speeches, monitored by the Mail over a period of a month, he also condemned the Pope as a loud-mouthed drunk and said President Bush's Secretary of State, Condoleezza Rice, was an unclean fornicator.

Non-Muslims in Britain, declared Mr Latif, are dirty, unclean people who never wash their hands and become ill because of their own sexual promiscuity. He went on to denounce British democracy as 'demon-ocracy' and praised the shariah laws of Islam under which thieves have their hands cut off and adulterous women are stoned to death in public.

In another inflammatory outburst, made directly to 'youngsters' at the prayer meeting, Mr Latif said that the British and Americans were deliberately trying to destroy the reputation of Islam and Muslims.

And the reaction of his congregation in a youth centre sports hall (rented to Mr Latif's religious organisation, Companions of the Mosque, by Sutton local education authority)? A few murmured their approval but, much more disturbingly, when the cleric pretended to forget the person he called 'the dictator of Britain', a young man listening from his prayer mat quickly shouted out: 'Blair!'

As one worshipper told us: 'Please don't think that Mr Latif is alone in what he says. In many mosques, whether they are in the suburbs or the towns or the cities, there are imams (Islamic clerics) just like him giving powerful speeches which are turning Muslim worshippers against this country.

'The preachers say that Christians, the Jews and other religions will always be the enemy. A whole generation of young Muslims is being brainwashed into believing such inflammatory things,' the middle-aged professional man who is a devout follower of Islam told us.

Similar stories emerging from Britain's mosques have long been dismissed as untrue by the Muslim community and their leaders. The Muslim Council of Britain says most imams are moderate men.

So the Mail asked Mr Latif why he had voiced such explosive views at his Friday meetings, particularly to an audience that included impressionable young Muslims under 25.

Speaking to us by telephone, he did not deny a word, saying: 'I was, though, speaking at private prayers. I would not say the same things in public, out on the street, because it wouldn't bring harmony.' He refused to comment further.

Yet on Monday, another investigation into Britain's mosques, by Channel 4's respected Dispatches programme, will reveal worrying evidence of just how rife Islamic extremism is among Muslim preachers.

The undercover TV inquiry, conducted over ten months, reveals some religious clerics urging their congregations to start preparing for jihad (holy war) against infidels or non-Muslims. Another is caught on camera telling families to hit their daughters for not covering their heads with the veil or hijab.

One imam from a Derby mosque, called Dr Ijaz Mian, was filmed calling for the creation of an Islamic 'state within a state' in Britain before the country is taken over by Muslims.

Addressing a group of youths, he said: 'King. Queen. House of Commons ... if you accept it, you are part of it. If you don't accept it, you have to dismantle it. So you being a Muslim, you have to fix a target. There will be no House of Commons ... Muslims just grow in strength ... then take over.'

The programme paints an alarming picture of how preachers, even at what are regarded as the most moderate mosques, urge their followers to reject Britain's legal system in favour of shariah law and its radical rulebook.

The investigators spent four months filming undercover at one mosque, Green Lane in Birmingham, which caters for thousands of worshippers.

The main preacher is Abu Usamah, an American convert to Islam, who studied at Medinah University in Saudi Arabia, before coming to Britain. He is seen telling worshippers not to believe that Islamic terrorists are operating in Britain, as all non-Muslims are liars.

In another sequence, he is heard saying that Christians and Jews are 'kuffaars' (non-believers) and the enemies of Islam. 'No one loves the kuffaar, not a single person loves the kuffaar,' he rants. 'We hate the kuffaar!' Then he adds, triumphantly: 'Allah has not given those people who are kuffaar a way over the believer. They shouldn't be in authority over us. Muslims shouldn't be satisfied with anything other than a total Islamic state.

'I encourage all of you to begin to cultivate ourselves for the time that is fast approaching - where the tables are going to turn and the Muslims are going to be in the position of being uppermost in strength. And when that happens, people won't get killed - unjustly,' he promises.

As for women, he says they are 'deficient, even if they have a PhD. Her intellect is incomplete. She may be suffering from hormones that will make her emotional. It takes two witnesses of a woman to equal the one witness of a man.'

He goes on to say that gays deserve to die. 'If I were to call homosexuals perverted, dirty, filthy dogs who should be murdered ... that's my freedom of speech, isn't it?'

The TV investigators also bought damning videos and DVDs of speeches by Muslim preachers from a shop at the London Central Mosque in Regent's Park.

The mosque has always been hailed by the Muslim Council of Britain and the Government as a symbol of reason and mainstream Islamic life in this country.

But the programme's team found copies of films of preachers decrying the equality of women as a 'bunch of foolishness' and claiming that Christian missionaries put the Aids virus into medicines in order to poison the people of Africa.

The TV exposé, like the Mail's own investigation in Surrey, shows that the systematic brainwashing of Muslims by their religious leaders is now commonplace. And it appears to be producing results.

Just five months ago, a national survey of 1,000 British Muslims, including the young and the old, male and female, revealed that 30 per cent wanted to live under shariah law and less than half referred to the United Kingdom as their country.

Twenty-eight per cent said they believed Britain should be an Islamic state. In another worrying sign, one in three young Muslims said that the London bombings were justified because Britain had joined America in the 'war on terror'.

There are 1,600 mosques in Britain and 3,000 imams who preach in them. Many of these religious mentors may be balanced in their views, but a dangerous minority are plainly not.

Former MI5 spy and Muslim Reda Hassaine told the Mail this week: 'Everything that is said in the mosques of the Islamic countries is being said in British mosques, too. Why not? The religious clerics who come to Britain will not change their views because they now preach here.'

The Algerian has worked undercover in this country's mosques for seven years, including the infamous

Finsbury Park Mosque in North London. He was one of the earliest to warn the British intelligence services of the 'enemy within' - Islamic clerics who are systematically brainwashing young Muslims into hating their country.

At Finsbury Park, he watched the inflammatory speeches of the radical hook-handed cleric Abu Hamza, now imprisoned for inciting murder and racial hatred. It was there that the firebrand cleric prayed beside the British-born shoe-bomber Richard Reid, found guilty in America of trying to blow up a passenger plane.

Hassaine said: 'I saw the brainwashing of disenchanted men and boys, week after week and month after month. Some were persuaded to become freedom fighters or suicide bombers for Al Qaeda because of what they were told in our mosques. Today, nothing has changed.'

Yesterday we went back to Sutton to see the worshippers flocking to hear Mr Latif make his weekly sermon at the youth centre. He has boasted that his popularity, particularly among the young, is growing. On a blustery and chilly winter day, the number arriving to hang on his every word was as big as ever.


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Have YOIU no shame??? Abusers terrorize families all the time - Christian abusers - holding entire families in terror. This one happened to have a twisted interpretation of Islam. Some Christians who abuse also try to justify their actions with their religious beliefs. Again, it is only because this loon was Muslim that you feel entitrled to taR THE ENTIRE RELIGION with the acts of one madman. BUT you DON'T do it for any other religion.



Please ansewr this:

If you blame Islam for the acts of one then why not do the same for Christianity?


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You know I'm beginning to understand why they hate us. Muslims are faced wirh this bullshit everyday. Keep it up - you're making them hate us all the more and i'm beginning to sympathise. Telling me to be ashamed for not sharing such hateful, bigotted and ignorant views.


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Scrappy, wherever you come from, go back.


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Firecat Firecat:
hwacker hwacker:
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If this was the fault of Islam, why isn't the mass murders of Robert Pickton the fault of Christianity? Just curious.


Because he's a crazy fuck. NEXT.


And the guy who beat his wife to death was a crazy fuck too only folks here prefer to blame his religion. But only when it's a Muslim.

The only shame i feel is that a countryman is being such a bigotted-ass by insisting that for Muslims ONLY is it the fault of their religion. Apply the same standards to all people and their faiths.

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You and blues bud can go sit in the corner and talk about your shame. I have none.


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 8:12 pm
 


hwacker hwacker:
Firecat Firecat:
hwacker hwacker:
Firecat Firecat:
If this was the fault of Islam, why isn't the mass murders of Robert Pickton the fault of Christianity? Just curious.


Because he's a crazy fuck. NEXT.


And the guy who beat his wife to death was a crazy fuck too only folks here prefer to blame his religion. But only when it's a Muslim.

The only shame i feel is that a countryman is being such a bigotted-ass by insisting that for Muslims ONLY is it the fault of their religion. Apply the same standards to all people and their faiths.

Shee


You and blues bud can go sit in the corner and talk about your shame. I have none.


Go on hwacker - answer my question: If you can blame Islam for the actions of one why not blame Christianity for the actions of one?

Try to answer this question seriously for a change , without insults or porn-links


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 8:14 pm
 


Can someone explain to me why ABBAs got "jailed" so precipitously when hwacker says such vulgar and offensive shit with impunity?


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 8:23 pm
 


Firecat Firecat:
hwacker hwacker:
Firecat Firecat:
hwacker hwacker:
Firecat Firecat:
If this was the fault of Islam, why isn't the mass murders of Robert Pickton the fault of Christianity? Just curious.


Because he's a crazy fuck. NEXT.


And the guy who beat his wife to death was a crazy fuck too only folks here prefer to blame his religion. But only when it's a Muslim.

The only shame i feel is that a countryman is being such a bigotted-ass by insisting that for Muslims ONLY is it the fault of their religion. Apply the same standards to all people and their faiths.

Shee


You and blues bud can go sit in the corner and talk about your shame. I have none.


Go on hwacker - answer my question: If you can blame Islam for the actions of one why not blame Christianity for the actions of one?

Try to answer this question seriously for a change , without insults or porn-links


Because in Khan mind the rule of law from Islam allows for this to happen
Also it's common place in the Middle East.

Pickton is a crazy fuck and a loner, and I don't think it says anything about killing whores in the bible.

In fact I think thou shall not kill is in there somewhere.

Now stop with the stupid questions.


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