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PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 12:17 pm
 


This is a little old (2003), but still relevant. And oooh so anti-American...

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I loathe America, and what it has done to the rest of the world
By Margaret Drabble
(Filed: 08/05/2003)

I knew that the wave of anti-Americanism that would swell up after the Iraq war would make me feel ill. And it has. It has made me much, much more ill than I had expected.

My anti-Americanism has become almost uncontrollable. It has possessed me, like a disease. It rises up in my throat like acid reflux, that fashionable American sickness. I now loathe the United States and what it has done to Iraq and the rest of the helpless world.

I can hardly bear to see the faces of Bush and Rumsfeld, or to watch their posturing body language, or to hear their self-satisfied and incoherent platitudes. The liberal press here has done its best to make them appear ridiculous, but these two men are not funny.

I was tipped into uncontainable rage by a report on Channel 4 News about "friendly fire", which included footage of what must have been one of the most horrific bombardments ever filmed. But what struck home hardest was the subsequent image, of a row of American warplanes, with grinning cartoon faces painted on their noses. Cartoon faces, with big sharp teeth.

It is grotesque. It is hideous. This great and powerful nation bombs foreign cities and the people in those cities from Disneyland cartoon planes out of comic strips. This is simply not possible. And yet, there they were.

Others have written eloquently about the euphemistic and affectionate names that the Americans give to their weapons of mass destruction: Big Boy, Little Boy, Daisy Cutter, and so forth.

We are accustomed to these sobriquets; to phrases such as "collateral damage" and "friendly fire" and "pre-emptive strikes". We have almost ceased to notice when suicide bombers are described as "cowards". The abuse of language is part of warfare. Long ago, Voltaire told us that we invent words to conceal truths. More recently, Orwell pointed out to us the dangers of Newspeak.

But there was something about those playfully grinning warplane faces that went beyond deception and distortion into the land of madness. A nation that can allow those faces to be painted as an image on its national aeroplanes has regressed into unimaginable irresponsibility. A nation that can paint those faces on death machines must be insane.

There, I have said it. I have tried to control my anti-Americanism, remembering the many Americans that I know and respect, but I can't keep it down any longer. I detest Disneyfication, I detest Coca-Cola, I detest burgers, I detest sentimental and violent Hollywood movies that tell lies about history.

I detest American imperialism, American infantilism, and American triumphalism about victories it didn't even win.

On April 29, 2000, I switched on CNN in my hotel room and, by chance, saw an item designed to celebrate the 25th anniversary of the end of the Vietnam war. The camera showed us a street scene in which a shabby elderly Vietnamese man was seen speaking English and bartering in dollars in a city that I took to be Ho Chi Minh City, still familiarly known in America by its old French colonial name of Saigon.

"The language of Shakespeare," the commentator intoned, "has conquered Vietnam." I did not note down the dialogue, though I can vouch for that sentence about the language of Shakespeare. But the word "dollar" was certainly repeated several times, and the implications of what the camera showed were clear enough.

The elderly Vietnamese man was impoverished, and he wanted hard currency. The Vietnamese had won the war, but had lost the peace.

Just leave Shakespeare and Shakespeare's homeland out of this squalid bit of revisionism, I thought at the time. Little did I then think that now, three years on, Shakespeare's country would have been dragged by our leader into this illegal, unjustifiable, aggressive war. We are all contaminated by it. Not in my name, I want to keep repeating, though I don't suppose anybody will listen.

America uses the word "democracy" as its battle cry, and its nervous soldiers gun down Iraqi civilians when they try to hold street demonstrations to protest against the invasion of their country. So much for democracy. (At least the British Army is better trained.)

America is one of the few countries in the world that executes minors. Well, it doesn't really execute them - it just keeps them in jail for years and years until they are old enough to execute, and then it executes them. It administers drugs to mentally disturbed prisoners on Death Row until they are back in their right mind, and then it executes them, too.

They call this justice and the rule of law. America is holding more than 600 people in detention in Guantánamo Bay, indefinitely, and it may well hold them there for ever. Guantánamo Bay has become the Bastille of America. They call this serving the cause of democracy and freedom.

I keep writing to Jack Straw about the so-called "illegal combatants", including minors, who are detained there without charge or trial or access to lawyers, and I shall go on writing to him and his successors until something happens. This one-way correspondence may last my lifetime. I suppose the minors won't be minors for long, although the youngest of them is only 13, so in time I shall have to drop that part of my objection, but I shall continue to protest.

A great democratic nation cannot behave in this manner. But it does. I keep remembering those words from Nineteen Eighty-Four, on the dynamics of history at the end of history, when O'Brien tells Winston: "Always there will be the intoxication of power… Always, at every moment, there will be the thrill of victory, the sensation of trampling on an enemy who is helpless. If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - for ever."

We have seen enough boots in the past few months to last us a lifetime. Iraqi boots, American boots, British boots. Enough of boots.

I hate feeling this hatred. I have to keep reminding myself that if Bush hadn't been (so narrowly) elected, we wouldn't be here, and none of this would have happened. There is another America. Long live the other America, and may this one pass away soon.


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Pretty blunt and undiplomatic, eh? Nonetheless a well-written piece.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 12:52 pm
 


This has got to be sarcasm. Even IceOwl writes better bile and bilge than this.


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If the rest of the world would step up, maybe the US wouldn't have to intervene in so many places.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 1:13 pm
 


When I first saw the headline I thought it might be sarcastic too, but after reading it I'm pretty sure she was being serious.

Although a little on the vitriolic side, I think she makes some interesting and valid observations about that whole Iraq disaster and how the US and other countries, including her own, should maybe be a little more judicious in how and when they choose to apply their power.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 11:05 pm
 


Then I gues we can just sit back and watch countries invade others, kill their own population, hold hostages, do terror attacks and a ton of other things while the US. sits back and watchs. Or should we wait for the UN do come to a unanimous vote on something. They cant even figure out what type of coffee to serve with out disagreement.


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If the rest of the world would step up, maybe the US wouldn't have to intervene in so many places.


It is really quite obvious. Where is the UN? Ever? The UN was formed largely to prevent genocide and, barring that, bring an end to mass-murders in progress. The UN has yet to do such a thing. The UN stood by in Rwanda and watched as 800,000 innocents were murdered. The UN does nothing in Darfur. The UN does nothing about Iran. Nothing about North Korea. The UN did nothing in Cambodia. The list of UN failures to act goes on and on like the energizer bunny. The UN is absolutely worthless, and is often times an impediment to its own purported ideals. You make a valid point, Ruez, forget this leftist article. Where is the UN? Where is the left's beloved force for good in the world when so many acts of evil are commited?


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But what struck home hardest was the subsequent image, of a row of American warplanes, with grinning cartoon faces painted on their noses. Cartoon faces, with big sharp teeth.


Those men are fighting a war, and when not at war are always faced with the possiblity of war, and of course combat and death. They do some strange things to cope with the incredible amount of stress. They dress up their planes, they scribble on their helmets, etc... If the worst that they do is paint cartoons on the noses of their planes then I would say that they are the most well-adjusted members of all society. Cut them some slack, leftists. You would shit your pants and cower in the closet if you were in their shoes.


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Long ago, Voltaire told us that we invent words to conceal truths. More recently, Orwell pointed out to us the dangers of Newspeak.


How quaint: a leftist complaining about Newspeak. What do they call muslims in Britain? "Asians?" LOL. Leftists need to shut their traps regarding the manipulation of language for they are the maestros. Americans "Voted for Change," LOL. So far the article is nothing but frivolties and I will risk not reading the rest. I went to "college," after all, and have heard this rubbish 1,000 times.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 12:03 am
 


Have you read this yet Streaker?


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Streaker Streaker:
This is a little old (2003), but still relevant. And oooh so anti-American...

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I loathe America, and what it has done to the rest of the world
By Margaret Drabble
(Filed: 08/05/2003)

I knew that the wave of anti-Americanism that would swell up after the Iraq war would make me feel ill. And it has. It has made me much, much more ill than I had expected.


Hopefully ill to the point of death or at least a catatonic state.

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I hate feeling this hatred. I have to keep reminding myself that if Bush hadn't been (so narrowly) elected, we wouldn't be here, and none of this would have happened. There is another America. Long live the other America, and may this one pass away soon.


I hate to think how many more attacks would have happenned and what a weak and pathetic response may have come from a democratic Gore white house.Thank God for the backbone of the Bush administration.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 11:40 am
 


Streaker wrote
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I think she makes some interesting and valid observations about that whole Iraq disaster and how the US and other countries, including her own, should maybe be a little more judicious in how and when they choose to apply their power.


Ce fil est très intéressent streaker mais je crois que le niveau de discussion sur ce forum n'est pas assé élevé pour que les vrai questions qu'aborde l'auteur de cet article ne soit discuté de façon intéligente.

Je te conseil plutôt c'est forum forum 1
ou celui ci forum 2

C'est triste mais la réthorique Droite vs Gauche au Canada est aussi forte qu'au états unis. Ce qui empêche tout débat d'idées moindrement évolué.


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I hate to think how many more attacks would have happenned and what a weak and pathetic response may have come from a democratic Gore white house.Thank God for the backbone of the Bush administration.

Bush's backbone is the equivolent of friendly fire. Not everyone with a gun is good news. They've decimated the military and enflamed a region due to thier ineptitued. Backbone's great but not when it's connected to the village idiots brain.


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dubyah dubyah:
It is really quite obvious. Where is the UN? Ever? The UN was formed largely to prevent genocide and, barring that, bring an end to mass-murders in progress. The UN has yet to do such a thing. The UN stood by in Rwanda and watched as 800,000 innocents were murdered. The UN does nothing in Darfur. The UN does nothing about Iran. Nothing about North Korea. The UN did nothing in Cambodia. The list of UN failures to act goes on and on like the energizer bunny. The UN is absolutely worthless, and is often times an impediment to its own purported ideals. You make a valid point, Ruez, forget this leftist article. Where is the UN? Where is the left's beloved force for good in the world when so many acts of evil are commited?


Having it's meaningdul articles vetoed by the big 5 on the Security Council...any idea which nation leads in vetoes?


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Orinx Orinx:
I hate to think how many more attacks would have happenned and what a weak and pathetic response may have come from a democratic Gore white house.Thank God for the backbone of the Bush administration.

Bush's backbone is the equivolent of friendly fire. Not everyone with a gun is good news. They've decimated the military and enflamed a region due to thier ineptitued. Backbone's great but not when it's connected to the village idiots brain.


Bush decimated the military? Fucking moron.
C-L-I-N-T-O-N. Remember when Rummy so cruely said, "You go to war with the army that you have, not with the one that you want." Remember that? It was a poke at Clinton, and a very well deserved poke at that.

Bush is evil, blah blah blah.


The morons' mantra, cha cha cha.


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Bush decimated the military? Fucking moron.

That's exactly right. Once you get Coulter out of your ass and start paying the bill for this little excursion plus start replacing all the burnt out warn out parts you might agree. Then again since you have no self critical eye you will blame your failure on anyone and everyone else but yourself. Republicans have gotten away from small government; they've also gotten away from accountability.


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C-L-I-N-T-O-N. Remember when Rummy so cruely said, "You go to war with the army that you have, not with the one that you want." Remember that? It was a poke at Clinton, and a very well deserved poke at that.

Yup it was called the peace dividend and started with the last years of Reagan and continued through Bush I and Clinton. That would require you to actually think about what you're talking about wouldn't it.

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Bush is great, it's everybody elses fault, blah blah blah.


The morons' mantra, cha cha cha.

Edit: And wasn't it Rummy that armed Sadam in the first place. Decided that fancy gadgetry could replace boots and that the whole thing would be a modern version of Palm Sunday? Yeah, right, these are your heros.


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