[ShepherdsDog]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2011 ... orway.html

Quote:

Norway's prime minister has called on political leaders to show restraint in their discourse as the country emerges from mourning the 77 victims of a bombing and youth camp massacre.

Jens Stoltenberg didn't single out anyone Monday but seemed to be referring to sometimes harsh discussions on immigration when he told Parliament that the July 22 attacks gave reason to contemplate "whether we could have expressed ourselves differently."

He says, "That goes for politicians, for editors, in the canteen and on the Net."

So. will legitimate complaints about the impact of immigration on the Norwegian economy and society now be considered reactionary?

[Unsound]

Possibly, more likely he just want people to think a little before speaking. Especially in the immediate aftermath of what happened when everything is still raw. Just look at the shit storm Glenn Beck started... I think/hope that's what he means.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

Unsound wrote:

Possibly, more likely he just want people to think a little before speaking. Especially in the immediate aftermath of what happened when everything is still raw. Just look at the shit storm Glenn Beck started... I think/hope that's what he means.

Yeah but let's face it, Beck's the kind'a guy who'd try and throw up a shit storm over what someone from the left had for lunch.

[desertdude]

Most likey not to go do shit like shoot a sikh in retaliation after 9/11.

What really surprising is nobody actually saying it but they all are in a very roundabout way is that at the end of the day is that the real problem is immigration and if it wasn't for that this wouldn't have happened ?

And not that people like Bob Spencer and Spam Geller ad their ilk need to cut down on their hate speech and it wasn't so unthinkable that one day, one of them or their disciples would cross that line. I've read that many understand what that nutter did although they feel sad at the loss of life !?

What can you read into those statments of the PM ? Many articles everywhere as how the Muslim population on Norway is now under the light and under scrutiny, why ?

When some loony blows himself up its somewhat understandable but when "white christain" fella mows down a bunch of people somehow it still the muslims fault ?

Damned if you do and damned if you dont !

[andyt]

desertdude wrote:

What really surprising is nobody actually saying it but they all are in a very roundabout way is that at the end of the day is that the real problem is immigration and if it wasn't for that this wouldn't have happened ?

And not that people like Bob Spencer and Spam Geller ad their ilk need to cut down on their hate speech and it wasn't so unthinkable that one day, one of them or their disciples would cross that line. I've read that many understand what that nutter did although they feel sad at the loss of life !?

What can you read into those statments of the PM ? Many articles everywhere as how the Muslim population on Norway is now under the light and under scrutiny, why ?

When some loony blows himself up its somewhat understandable but when "white christain" fella mows down a bunch of people somehow it still the muslims fault ?

Damned if you do and damned if you dont !

That (underlined part) certainly was Bart's point. Probably lots of people feel that way. I think it's blaming the victim.

People need to watch their rhetoric. But I hope this isn't used to silence opposing voices. Most Muslims are in Norway as refugees, they are not immigrants. I think taking in refugees is a good thing. But when rapes dramatically spike in the area where the Muslim refugees live, and almost all the rapists were Muslims, that is something that Norway should have a conversation about. My answer would be to not just accept the refugees, give them welfare and then leave them on their own to clusterfuck together and try to recreate Somalia in Oslo. Refugees are damaged people and need counselling, and they need help and even a push to integrate into the host society. That costs money, so if they have to take fewer refugees, but spend more money on the refugees they do take, so be it. Even the second generation of refugees is not safe, as we now have Al shaabbbaaabbb (however you spell it) recruiting 2nd gen Somalis in Canada. If that sort of shit keeps happening, I would be all for not taking refugees from countries that seem to produce terrorists.

[desertdude]

Well you bet you're butt its going to be used to silence opposing concerns, I'll be surprised if it isn't. Just like the actions of a few have been used to whip up a fear mongering shit storm by many.

An Anders was just one of those caught up in it and went off the deep end.

Somewhat of a vicious circle here.

[Brenda]

Check the King Tut thread. Migration has been around since mankind exists. All of a sudden, all problems are blamed on immigration. Maybe we should just blame the person who committed this horrible crime instead of looking for a bigger reason.

[desertdude]

Brenda wrote:

Check the King Tut thread. Migration has been around since mankind exists. All of a sudden, all problems are blamed on immigration. Maybe we should just blame the person who committed this horrible crime instead of looking for a bigger reason.

Exactly, how come no one ever goes looking for a reason and justification when a "jihadi" blows himself up ?

[andyt]

Who exactly is blaming what Breivik did on immigration? Just a few nutbars, who would flip if you blamed 9/11 on US foreign policy.

We know why Jihadis blow themselves up - they're crazy in exactly the same way Breivik is crazy, except this bad craziness has found much more fertile soil among Muslim people. Let's hope we can stop the contamination from spreading to the west.

[Brenda]

desertdude wrote:

Brenda wrote:

Check the King Tut thread. Migration has been around since mankind exists. All of a sudden, all problems are blamed on immigration. Maybe we should just blame the person who committed this horrible crime instead of looking for a bigger reason.

Exactly, how come no one ever goes looking for a reason and justification when a "jihadi" blows himself up ?

Oh, we (they) do! That is just a very simple reason! INFIDELS!!

[/sarcasm]

(that the person might be a nutcase is, in case of Muslims blowing themselves apart, not important. They are Muslims, THUS they have to kill everyone who is not, all in name of Allah.)

[desertdude]

No disagreement there Andy. But there are a lot of people blaming what breivik did on immigrantion. Some will outright condemn it only to go on to say but his motives are understandable followed by the plethora of reasons citied as immigration is the root of all evil in the world.

So its like yeah he went over the top but his argument is valid and has substance to it.

[martin14]

Brenda wrote:

Check the King Tut thread. Migration has been around since mankind exists. All of a sudden, all problems are blamed on immigration. Maybe we should just blame the person who committed this horrible crime instead of looking for a bigger reason.

Ya, the problem is that the immigrants are letting the indigenous population live.

People knew how to take care of this problem back then.

[desertdude]

Brenda wrote:

desertdude wrote:

Brenda wrote:

Check the King Tut thread. Migration has been around since mankind exists. All of a sudden, all problems are blamed on immigration. Maybe we should just blame the person who committed this horrible crime instead of looking for a bigger reason.

Exactly, how come no one ever goes looking for a reason and justification when a "jihadi" blows himself up ?

Oh, we (they) do! That is just a very simple reason! INFIDELS!!

[/sarcasm]

(that the person might be a nutcase is, in case of Muslims blowing themselves apart, not important. They are Muslims, THUS they have to kill everyone who is not, all in name of Allah.)

True many expect us we are always roaming around with our rigged jackets on just looking for a reason.

WTF ! I ordered regular fries with this !!...alright, now you've done it ! KABOOM !!

[Brenda]

No, "we" just shoot them straight in the face when we don't get our fries. Or we just hold a gun to someones head because we want money and rob the bank. "We" just send millions of Jews to the gas chambers because we want the Aryan race to become the only race. "We" just enslave blacks and make them ride the back of the bus just because they are not the same colour we are.

I don't need to go on, do I?

[andyt]

Brenda wrote:

No, "we" just shoot them straight in the face when we don't get our fries. Or we just hold a gun to someones head because we want money and rob the bank. "We" just send millions of Jews to the gas chambers because we want the Aryan race to become the only race. "We" just enslave blacks and make them ride the back of the bus just because they are not the same colour we are.

I don't need to go on, do I?

You equate robbing a bank with the holocaust or slavery? Europeans and their descendants seem to have given up genocide and slavery, other peoples not so much. And bank robbing or similar is practiced all over the world. So 'we' are an example to the rest of the world how to improve yourself. If 'we' don't destroy ourselves from within that is. And that includes taking in such massive numbers of immigrants that our culture gets diluted and falls apart.