[karra]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

karra karra:

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That's an interesting skew on reality, considering every real news organization I read says Mexico is committed to a three way pact on NAFTA.

See?

There you go again - typing something, saying nothing - c'mon, be a proper dude, dude - spit it out or provide link(s)

'skew' - do tell

'considering every real news organization' - lol, thanks for the early morning laugh rather than rain

Did your subscription to Google expire? Why should I do your homework for you?

Yours apparently did - how else to explain much ado about, well, you know what...

[DrCaleb]

Much ado about the article I posted??

[bootlegga]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

I did read the wiki on him--and it does not reflect anything you said. And I read his platform in the last election. I didn't see a single issue where he could be considered a communist. Your argument seems to be that he's a communist because his political rival called him a communist? Really?

Sorry maybe you didn't make it up. Maybe you just read it all on this right-wing nutty websites you and Fiddy like to frequent.

He's a left-leaning politician in Mexico. Maybe by American standards that makes him a communist. Probably makes Justin Trudeau a Communist too. But the dingbat right in the US is so far gone they probably think Reagan was a communist.

Are you guys still mad that Che and Fidel threw over the US dictator in Havana? If you've ever travelled much in Central and South America they have a somewhat more sophisticated view of Che Guevera than just "Communist." You have to understand the history of the area.

Here is the wiki account of Obrador's platform, that folks can compare to your paranoid screed:

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Domestic policy

He proposes the cancellation of the under-construction New Mexico City International Airport,[14] the conversion of the president's official residence and office complex, Los Pinos, into a cultural center,[167][168] universal healthcare,[169] pledging to sell the presidential aircraft,[170] and has offered to hold referendums on various issues,[171] among them include a performance evaluation halfway through his term during the 2021 legislative elections, (instead of his former proposal of every two years[172]) that would cut his six-year term short if he loses the consultation.[173] He proposes dispersing the cabinet throughout the country's states, with the objective of "promoting development throughout the national territory," while the Presidency, the Secretariat of National Defense, Secretariat of the Navy, the Secretariat of the Interior, Secretariat of Foreign Affairs, and the Secretariat of Finance and Public Credit remain in the capital.[174][175]

Corruption

His chief pledge is to eradicate corruption, though he is vague on how he will achieve that beyond a combination of zero tolerance and personal honesty to sweep it out "from top to bottom like cleaning the stairs."[176] He is willing to allow international organizations to come to Mexico to help investigate cases of corruption and human rights abuses, and is also willing to allow the creation of a body, akin to the CICIG in Guatemala, to help local prosecutors build graft cases.[177] He also proposes to amend an article in the constitution to make it possible to try presidents for corruption.[172]

Energy

López Obrador has had mixed views on the denationalization of oil that was signed into law in 2013. He has called for a referendum over the 2013 energy reform (es) that ended Pemex's monopoly in the oil industry.[15] Rocío Nahle, his top energy adviser, has called for a freeze on future deepwater drilling auctions and a review of contracts with international oil companies.[178] In February 2018, his business adviser, Alfonso Romo, said, "[he] reviewed most of the oil tenders awarded to private drillers and found them to be beneficial for Mexico."[179] He has also pledged ending oil exports in order to focus internally, as well as investing in refineries along with ending the importation of gasoline from the United States,[178][180] saying the nation must recover energy self-sufficiency "as a principle of national security" and should make loss-making state refineries operable and assess biodiesel production.[181] López Obrador has promised no more "gasolinazos" as well as no more hikes in electricity and gas prices.[182]

Education

With his saying, "Becarios sí, sicarios, no" (English: Scholarships, yes; contract killings, no),[183] López Obrador proposes guaranteed schooling and employment to all young people, through universal access to public colleges[13] and intending to offer monthly scholarship money of 2,400 MXN to low-income university students.[184] López Obrador is against the educational reform passed into law in 2013, saying he is against the use of teacher evaluations because it is used as a basis of firing them,[185] saying, "It is an ideological problem of the right, of conservatism, deep down they do not want public education, basically they want education to be privatized, it is the mentality that prevails in these people, I ask them to be serene and if you really want to help improve education, do not polarize or disqualify [the teachers]."[186] He also argues that, "Children go to school without eating and that is not addressed in the so-called education reform."[187]

War on drugs

As the Mexican Drug War dragged on into its 12th year, he reiterated his 2012 presidential run strategy of "Abrazos, no balazos" (English: Hugs, not bullets), arguing that jobs and better wages, especially for younger people and the rural populace, are necessary to combat crime,[188][189] not the use of more military force.[190] He has proposed amnesty for some drug war criminals,[12] for which he would seek the aid of international NGOs, Pope Francis,[191] and UN Secretary-General António Guterres.[177] Héctor Vasconcelos, a former diplomat, said a López Obrador government would gradually pull back the Army and Navy from the streets where they have been engaged.[192] He is willing to establish a truth commission to bring closure to tens of thousands of people exposed to horrific murders and disappearances of their friends and family, such as the 2014 Ayotzinapa kidnapping.[177][193][194]

Economic policy

Described as an adherent to economic nationalism[195] and protectionist based on his economic proposals, he wants the nation to be "self-sufficient" regarding what the people consume through establishing set prices for farming equipment and supplies.[196] He has also argued in favor of doubling both senior citizens' pensions[196] and the nation's minimum wage,[197] which currently stands at 88.40 pesos per day. López Obrador suggested the idea of creating a special zone along Mexico’s northern border with lower value-added taxes, lower rent taxes, and higher wages.[198][199] His advisers also said that the same measures could also be directed at Mexico's southern border and elsewhere to contain migration.[200] He has planned a host of infrastructure projects in partnership with the private sector, especially a rail link across the Isthmus of Tehuantepec, to spark economic growth in Mexico’s economically depressed south.[176] At a major banking conference in March 2018, he made promises not to disrupt economic stability and respect the autonomy of the Bank of Mexico saying, "We will support banks and we won’t confiscate assets. There won’t be expropriations or nationalizations."[201][202]

NAFTA

López Obrador has been a critic of NAFTA, arguing small Mexican corn farmers have been hurt,[203] as well as proposing to defend avocado farmers from agricultural tariffs.[204] He has asked Peña Nieto's administration to postpone the current renegotiation of the agreement, arguing both U.S. President Donald Trump and Peña Nieto do not have a strong, amicable relationship, tainted by a cancelled foreign trip.[205] During the general assembly of the American Chamber of Commerce in Mexico, he said he does not want the agreement cancelled, arguing it is benefits the three member nations.[206] In June 2018, during a presidential debate, he argued that if there is a failure in the NAFTA renegotiation, the domestic economy must be strengthened, arguing, "[it] cannot be fatal for Mexicans, our country has a lot of natural resources, a lot of wealth."[207][208] López Obrador has argued in favor of increasing workers' salaries "because wages in our country are very low, they are the lowest wages in the world and we need to strengthen the domestic market and this is to improve the income of workers; you can not be paying the workers of the maquilas 800 pesos a week."[209]

Fiscal policy

Arguing he would be fiscally conservative[210] he intends on raising social spending,[211] without tax hikes nor accumulation of public debt,[181][212][213][214][215] via proposed austerity measures on politicians' salaries, including the president's salary and post-presidential pension.[192][216]

Foreign policy

Following accusations that his campaign was influenced by Venezuela's government and that he was a mirror image of Donald Trump, López Obrador stated, "No Chavismo, no Trumpismo; yes to Juarismo, yes to Maderismo, yes to Cardenismo, yes to Mexicanismo."[217] During a presidential debate, López Obrador argued that "the best foreign policy is domestic policy," arguing that Mexico's foreign policy is dysfunctional as it does not have "moral authority."[218] He has campaigned on Mexico's former foreign policy of non-interventionism, that was practiced from the 1930s to 2000s. During his presidential election victory speech, he stated, "We will be friends of all the world’s people and governments. The principles of non-intervention, self-determination and the peaceful settlement of disputes will be applied again."[219]

Immigration

As Donald Trump accused Mexican illegal immigrants of "bringing drugs [and] crime" during his 2015 campaign, López Obrador has taken a stance against Trump's proposals for the wall on the U.S.-Mexico border as well as the deportation of undocumented immigrants in the United States. In 2017, he called on the current administration to "[present] a lawsuit at the United Nations against the U.S. government for violation of human rights and racial discrimination."[220] He promised to convert the 50 Mexican consulates in the United States into "procurators" for the defense of migrants, suggested appointing Alicia Bárcena, current Executive Secretary of the United Nations Economic Commission for Latin America and the Caribbean, as Mexico's permanent representative to the UN, and pledged to put pressure on the United States through organizations like the United Nations. He accused the establishment parties of the corruption that keeps migrants from receiving the support they need.[221] Regarding migration to Mexico, he asserted his government would not "continue the dirty work" of the United States and detain Central American migrants at the country's southern border. Following his proposed idea of decentralizing the nation's cabinet away from Mexico City, he would move the National Institute of Migration to Tijuana, Baja California. He suggested that the NAFTA negotiations be used to put together a development plan for Central America as a means to address emigration in the region,[221] including a proposed "alliance for progress" including Mexico, the United States, Canada and Central America to foster job creation, grow the economy and pacify the region.[222] López Obrador said he wants to broker a deal with President Trump to stem illegal immigration through jobs and development rather than a border wall.[223] López Obrador's pick for the proposed reestablishment of the Secretariat of Public Security, Alfonso Durazo, declared in July 2018 that there are plans in order to create a border police that would mainly patrol Mexico's southern border to halt illegal immigration, drugs, and weapons.[224]

Well put, I'd rep if it was turned on.

[herbie]

karra karra:

herbie herbie:

American political perceptions seems to have been formed by being that kid stuck in the corner of the classroom their whole life. Anything four inches from the corner is beyond their peripheral vision and therefore liberal socialist.
The cockroach in the crack of the corner is the good guy.

Yikes!!!

Shades of the insane Left's love affair with Noam The Chompsky and its Libertarian Socialists

Why didn't you point out that I (purposely) made the same generalization I've been accusing everyone else of in other threads? Because in your case it's true?

Trump's vision of any Trade Agreement is more reminiscent of a SouthEast Asia Co Prosperity Sphere than Free Trade. The USA must "win" on every clause....

[karra]

herbie herbie:

karra karra:

herbie herbie:

American political perceptions seems to have been formed by being that kid stuck in the corner of the classroom their whole life. Anything four inches from the corner is beyond their peripheral vision and therefore liberal socialist.
The cockroach in the crack of the corner is the good guy.

Yikes!!!

Shades of the insane Left's love affair with Noam The Chompsky and its Libertarian Socialists

Why didn't you point out that I (purposely) made the same generalization I've been accusing everyone else of in other threads? Because in your case it's true?

Trump's vision of any Trade Agreement is more reminiscent of a SouthEast Asia Co Prosperity Sphere than Free Trade. The USA must "win" on every clause....

Why would I?

Seems to me you don't need any help tripping over your tongue...

[llama66]

Libertarians are not socialists.
The beliefs sound super socialist. /s
https://www.cato.org/publications/comme ... rtarianism

[herbie]

Jeez someone rose from the dead to sprint towards the ban hammer.

[llama66]

Head first. With Scissors.

[martin14]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Tricks Tricks:

It'd be interesting what the freshly elected President does in Mexico.

Mexico vows it won't cut a separate trade deal with Trump

https://nationalpost.com/news/world/can ... -s-sources


Canada rejected in bid to be part of high-level NAFTA talks between Mexico and U.S.: sources
A source said the U.S. side, fuelled in part by Lighthizer’s dislike of Freeland, has decided to not even let Canada back into the process until it makes a substantive concession

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WASHINGTON, D.C. — American officials have taken the “highly unusual” step of rejecting Canada’s bid to take part in senior-level NAFTA talks between the U.S. and Mexico later this week, sources familiar with the trade negotiations said Monday.

One person said attempts by Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland to get a seat at the table in Washington Thursday were either ignored, or spurned outright by the office of U.S. Trade Representative Robert Lighthizer.

Another source said the request to be at the meeting was made in a low-key fashion “so as not to spark a diplomatic incident” and was followed by “a retreat to diplomatic silence.”

Lighthizer is scheduled to meet Economy Minister Ildefonso Guajardo of Mexico after similar bilateral meetings between the officials last week made significant progress, analysts say.

Canada’s apparent sidelining follows Lighthizer’s recent comments that he hoped to strike a separate deal with Mexico, then use that as pressure to win compromises from Canada.

If the Mexicans blink, we are screwed.

And they will blink.

[DrCaleb]

martin14 martin14:

If the Mexicans blink, we are screwed.

And they will blink.

Yup. Noobie mistake to think Mexico can strong arm the US by itself. I assume that was Lighthizer's tactic when calling them out and saying they could get a better deal negotiating one on one.

[llama66]

Fuck this. Maybe its time to pull a page from their book. Recall the ambassador. notify of our intent to opt out of NAFTA, implement 200% tariffs across the board, and Implement an immediate requirement for ALL Americans coming to Canada to have a visa. It'll probably hurt us in the long run, but it would sure as shit get their attention.

[peck420]

martin14 martin14:

If the Mexicans blink, we are screwed.

And they will blink.

For a guy that always talks so tough, you sure don't have any balls.

I would love to negotiate with you, you cower at the first sign of anything.

US and Mexico can talk NAFTA all day long. The agreement still needs 3 signatures to be modified. No 3 signatures, and the US must walk, which puts this in the political wasteland of congress, and does nothing for a year or two.

Trump knows this, which is why he is currently running around in desperation mode, back tracking almost every major claim he has made...so he can get an official win before November.

[BartSimpson]

llama66 llama66:

Fuck this. Maybe its time to pull a page from their book. Recall the ambassador. notify of our intent to opt out of NAFTA, implement 200% tariffs across the board, and Implement an immediate requirement for ALL Americans coming to Canada to have a visa. It'll probably hurt us in the long run, but it would sure as shit get their attention.

This President would simply reply in kind and shut down the border crossings.

Hate to tell you, but that's mostly going to hurt the Canadians who cross the border to go to Costco every week to buy groceries, liquor, and petrol and save probably $100 to $300 a week for a family of four.

[martin14]

peck420 peck420:

martin14 martin14:

If the Mexicans blink, we are screwed.

And they will blink.

For a guy that always talks so tough, you sure don't have any balls.

I would love to negotiate with you, you cower at the first sign of anything.

US and Mexico can talk NAFTA all day long. The agreement still needs 3 signatures to be modified. No 3 signatures, and the US must walk, which puts this in the political wasteland of congress, and does nothing for a year or two.

Trump knows this, which is why he is currently running around in desperation mode, back tracking almost every major claim he has made...so he can get an official win before November.

You mistake your TDS for a lot.
And your tough guy on the internet is just.... retarded.

[llama66]

Probably. But I suspect there would be a pretty fucking loud noise made from States that have a lot of cross border trade with us. 320 billion out of local coffers would probably leave a bit of a mark, I imagine. I'm sure they wouldn't like their economies being fucked like that, If Trump "replied in kind" he'd further be hurting his own people, I mean he's already having to bail out his Agricultural sector, is he bail out his tourism? I mean 11 million tourists is a lot of money to a lot of economies. Not to mention we can release the patents on the pharmaceuticals and really do a number.

I don't want us to use this, most nuclear of options. But I mean nations backed into corners do desperate things.