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PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 10:49 am
 


If you don't like the terms that are being offered in NAFTA II you're free to quit the agreement and go back to WTO rules.


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If you don't like the terms that are being offered in NAFTA II you're free to quit the agreement and go back to WTO rules.


Why are the negotiators negotiating from a standpoint that they know will never be accepted?

We may end up going back to WTO rules, but not before Trump tells the world that the US will not negotiate deals in good faith.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 11:20 am
 


Rules do not matter when the U$A goes down the crapper.

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Why are the negotiators negotiating from a standpoint that they know will never be accepted?
--- because they know it is all theater to distract the public from the controlled financial collapse. The "negotiators" are actors.

When shit hits the fan, everybody will be able to blame somebody else and claim they never saw it coming!


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 11:23 am
 


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Why are the negotiators negotiating from a standpoint that they know will never be accepted?


Because although they want to kill NAFTA their real job is to goad you into doing it for them. :wink:


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Why are the negotiators negotiating from a standpoint that they know will never be accepted?


Because although they want to kill NAFTA their real job is to goad you into doing it for them. :wink:


Which is exactly why we won't. ;)

You guys always make the mistake of assume politeness means weakness when it comes to us.


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Well, if you can't manage the dollar-for-dollar limitation in government contracts then maybe it'll be a deal killer. If not I'm sure the negotiators will come up with some other term that's unacceptable to you.


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Well, if you can't manage the dollar-for-dollar limitation in government contracts then maybe it'll be a deal killer. If not I'm sure the negotiators will come up with some other term that's unacceptable to you.


We'd accept any fair offer, even some slightly unfair ones. That one isn't in the ballpark.

I just wish your President would have the balls to cancel the deal if he wants it cancelled, instead of bad faith negotiations. Own it, and attempt to get re-elected on it. See what a Businessman he really is, after that. :twisted:


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 7:56 am
 


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See ?
Nothing to worry about.
85,000 jobs, the Wynndbag can create that in 3 weeks.
Good, permanent, tax paying government jobs. :lol:


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See ?
Nothing to worry about.
85,000 jobs, the Wynndbag can create that in 3 weeks.
Good, permanent, tax paying government jobs. :lol:


Depends on who you believe. I tend to side with the Conference Board, they do a lot more research than most.

But there are still economists that say job losses could be as high as 2 million.

With our recent diversification away from the US, I suppose this is the reason the variation is so great.


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Funny how this is working out.

The USA is gaining jobs based upon Trump's actions on trade and the rest of the world is losing jobs.

That speaks volumes to the facts of the balance of trade. :idea:


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How does job increase last month tie into an announcement he made yesterday? [huh]


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How does job increase last month tie into an announcement he made yesterday? [huh]


His announcement yesterday is simply another statement of the "America First" policy he's pursued since his inauguration.

Also (gloating):

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The US economy gained a surprisingly strong 313,000 jobs in February. That was much stronger than economists expected and the best showing since July 2016. Unemployment stayed at 4.1%, the lowest in 17 years. Wages grew 2.6% in February compared with a year earlier, according to Labor Department figures published Friday.


That, my friend, is what truly is Making America Great Again! w00t! [B-o]


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How does job increase last month tie into an announcement he made yesterday? [huh]


His announcement yesterday is simply another statement of the "America First" policy he's pursued since his inauguration.


But what has that done to contribute to this? Nothing, yet.

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The US economy gained a surprisingly strong 313,000 jobs in February. That was much stronger than economists expected and the best showing since July 2016. Unemployment stayed at 4.1%, the lowest in 17 years. Wages grew 2.6% in February compared with a year earlier, according to Labor Department figures published Friday.


That, my friend, is what truly is Making America Great Again! w00t! [B-o]


It's good that your economic numbers are looking better. But it's not time to gloat yet!

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In contrast to the multiple indicators of a tightening labor market, a persistent lack of employment among large numbers of working-age men continues to shadow the economy.

Although large economic differences across regions have always been a characteristic of the United States, that gap appears to be widening instead of narrowing. In a paper published in the latest edition of the Brookings Papers on Economic Activity, the economists Benjamin Austin, Edward Glaeser and Lawrence H. Summers argue that the disparities are sharp among three regions: the prosperous coasts; the Western heartland, which has natural resources and higher education levels; and the Eastern heartland.

This last area, which extends from Mississippi to Michigan, generally east of the Mississippi and not on the Eastern Seaboard, is suffering from a glut of social and economic ills, including joblessness, disability, opioid-related deaths and rising mortality, the three Harvard University economists said.

“The income and employment gaps between three regions are not converging, but instead seem to be hardening,” they write. “America appears to be evolving into durable islands of wealth and poverty.”

Rather than moving to higher-income areas to take advantage of the increased employment opportunities, people remain stranded in areas that are economic dead ends. There are many theories about the cause, but rising housing costs certainly deter moving, as does the difficulty of transferring assistance like Medicaid across state lines.

A lack of employment is a greater problem than income inequality, they argue, citing evidence that suggests “misery haunts the lives of the long-term not working.”


https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/09/busi ... eport.html


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 9:55 am
 


I agree.

I'd make a shitload more money working for Genentech in the SF Bay Area than I do here...but even with the money that Genentech is offering me ($235,000 to start) there's no way in hell I'd ever be able to afford the cost of a home on the Peninsula.

That means I'd be stuck living in Sacramento and spending six hours of each day commuting.

Fuck that.

And no doubt a lot of people across the country use the same calculus to make their employment decisions.

Still, the reverse trend is occurring where more and more employers are relocating from high cost communities to low cost communities in order to save boatloads of cash on salaries, taxes, regulations, and real estate costs.


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