[BartSimpson]

This is an email I got this morning - posted here with permission.

Ron Radosh wrote:

Just when you thought Communism was over, and no longer is a threat or has an appeal anywhere in the modern world, comes this dispatch. According to a three day meeting of experts on Czech Communism held recently in Prague, Communism still has a great appeal:


Communism is still a significant phenomenon and people may tend to see hope in it mainly in the times of a crisis, Jiri Kocian, deputy head of the Czech Science Academy’s Institute of Contemporary History, told CTK at the end of a three-day conference on communism Saturday.

According to the participants, many Czech citizens view the Communist era as one of “social certainties.” In other words, they may not have had freedom, but they knew what they could get in terms of the basic necessities, insufficient as it may have been. The academic experts recommend that the textbooks in their country inform students what the reality of Communism was, and how it led to repression, political murder, and persecution. The experts made the following observation:


“The Communist Party is naturally more in focus of inhabitants at the moment when the state is coping with a certain crisis phenomenon,” said historian Jan Kalous, from the Institute for the Study of Totalitarian Regimes (USTR) that organised the conference along with the Institute of Contemporary History and the Czech Radio.

Kalous cited the example of the 1930s affected by the Great Depression starting in 1929.

Historian Jiri Pernes also said at the beginning of the conference that communism is a constant threat, among others because this ideology is comprehensible even for not very educated people.

Moreover, the poor will always blame the rich for their poverty and they will be striving for a change to their situation, Pernes added.

Two weeks ago, I spoke at a seminar in Prague convened by one of the sponsors of this meeting — The Institute for the Study of Totalitarian Regimes — on the topic of the uses in both the East and the West of the Rosenberg case and the Rudolf Slansky purge trial in Czechoslovakia which occurred contemporaneously in the mid 1950s. My audience was composed of some younger scholars, but mostly older contemporaries of the Communist era in Prague, who well remembered the reality of life under the Soviet satellite. I was told that today, few younger than they even know who Slansky was, and know anything about the reality of life under Communism. The findings of this recent meeting do not surprise me, since I had heard that during the discussion.

Do the experts’ conclusions sound familiar? Anyone see any resemblance to the calls of Occupy Wall Street? Indeed, the heart of the OWS complaints is the concept of “income inequality,” with the resulting call that income be redistributed so that the “poor” take more from the rich, so that all will be equal. The end result of such poor logic is the call to go to the large homes of wealthy citizens, measure the living space of their domiciles, and by government action move a number of poorer families into their residence to share their large living space. As many of us who know history recall, this is indeed what the Bolsheviks did in Soviet Russia after the October Revolution in 1917.

I happen to have some friends who consider themselves radical activists, but who live in a home for the two of them valued at well over a million dollars, but which has room for at least four or five other families. These people argue vociferously for income equality and redistribution of wealth, because it isn’t “fair,” and everyone deserves a good life. Hence they support a super high minimum wage via a new federal law, as well as every other legislative measure that would tax the rich at the highest level possible and produce equality of result by government action. I am always tempted to ask them to drive to the nearest ghetto, and invite some of the less fortunate to move in with them. Somehow, I don’t think had I made such a request, it would have been acted on. Indeed, I would probably be asked to promptly leave their premises and drive back home. They would have quickly slammed the front door in my face.

When I stayed some time ago at my friend Harvey Klehr’s home in Atlanta, I facetiously noted to him that it was a beautiful home, and that he should open it up to those less fortunate. Harvey looked at me and said, as we all would, “I worked hard for this and it’s mine. Sorry.” But Harvey is no radical, and he responded as most of us would.

I was told in Prague that a few weeks earlier, at the same Institute, the Polish editor and former dissident Adam Michnik, known as a moderate and not a firebrand conservative, spoke and without naming the group he was talking about, talked about the recent calls in America he had read about for equality and fairness. Michnik said he had heard such calls in his youth in Communist Poland, and saw no difference in what the current occupiers were calling for than what the Communists in his day in Poland had demanded.

The OWS crowd certainly don’t call themselves “communists.” If anything, those who get the most comment are self-proclaimed anarchists and others are socialists, radicals of various stripes, demagogues, anti-Semites, members of various fringe ultra-left groups like the Workers World Party and International Answer, and others of that ilk. But put together, they form a sometimes incoherent but nevertheless group of radical activists bent on overthrow of the system — not banking reform, political change in Washington, or anything remotely possible. Unlike the Tea Party activists, who moved to try and have a political influence, these protestors demand “revolution,” an all-encompassing phrase that means little but which reveals their favored stance.

Even Paul Berman, whose comments in The New Republic reveal the brilliant and subtle thinker succumbing to the revolutionary romanticism of his youth, writes the following:


Yes, yes, at Occupy Wall Street the madmen, the madwomen, the Groaners and the neo-Muggletonians will eventually have their day, and the movement will be ruined. Already the Maoists of the Revolutionary Communist Party are at work, together with Ron-Paul-ists, according to another of my informants. Visiting the demonstration on Thursday I noticed that the Workers World Party (which secretly controlled some of the big anti-Iraq War demonstrations, in the name of advancing the cause of North Korea) was already in evidence. The costumed neo-hippies and neo-anarchists will prove to be no match to the fanatics of Leninist discipline. Sooner or later the screw-ball groupuscules will wreck the whole thing. “Creative destruction” is originally Bakunin’s phrase, but the destructiveness of the Revolutionary Communist Party will not be creative. So the movement will stumble and fall, and a lot of young people will feel a little embittered and distraught.

I can excuse Berman for hoping that the message of Wall Street’s failures is the main concern of the occupiers — rather than the foolish remedies they are demanding. Yes, as he correctly writes, “Wall Street has led the country and the world over a cliff.” But OWS is doing very little to pressure for the kind of meaningful political change that will put them in their place. Instead, their actions are the self-destructive kind engaged in by all radical groups; the kind of dangerous remedies that Michnik alluded to in his Prague talk.

Among those supporting OWS are the Communist Party, U.S.A., and other similar groups that hark back to the Old Left. They are all, for good reasons, tying their cart to this new movement. Disciplined and organized, they will undoubtedly gain new recruits, because they have a message and a strategy, and an organizational institution that they pledge will lead to results. Hence they inform their members:


A big challenge for the CPUSA and left, progressive movements is to link these demonstrations with the labor led all-people’s coalition and help deepen understanding that the path to progress must be through electoral and political action including defeating Republican Tea Party reaction in 2012.

Of primary importance is linking it with the burgeoning fight for jobs and especially passage of the American Jobs Act.

We can also play a role in offering more advanced programmatic ideas like nationalizing the banks and socialism.

To have a positive impact, the CPUSA and YCL must be a part of the “Occupy” movement, participating at every level and building greater local support for the actions among labor and progressive forces.

Just as SDS in its earliest days welcomed Communists into its ranks, less they be accused of Red-baiting, the OWS occupiers too see the Communists as allies who have the same goals as they have. In that regard, the OWS crowd is right. There is little difference between what they want and the Communists want. In our country, the resurrection of communism as a creed will take place under a new guise. Today it is OWS; tomorrow it might be something else.

So, in our country as well as in the Czech Republic, the nostalgia for communism has its adherents and supporters.

[DanSC]

Until a Communism supporter can explain to me why the Dictatorship of the Proletariat would ever end, I'm not convinced.

[Gunnair]

I have yet to be convinced that Communism would ever survive as its ideology dictates beyond a village setting. Secondly, what were communal societies in te past, say native communities in the US and Canada were communal because of need and through long term social development.

Trying to impose a completely new ideology over an existing one that is opposed to it can only be done, as we have seen, through authoritarianism.

[BartSimpson]

One of the more compelling passages here is:

Quote:

Historian Jiri Pernes also said at the beginning of the conference that communism is a constant threat, among others because this ideology is comprehensible even for not very educated people.

Moreover, the poor will always blame the rich for their poverty and they will be striving for a change to their situation, Pernes added.

Which explains why the folks who eschew personal responsibility seem to be the most ardent advocates of collectivism and class envy.

[Thanos]

Instead of worrying about the return of Communism, which is just a red herring anyway that's been concocted by the defenders of the status quo to justify the crimes of Wall Street, how about introducing public democracy into the corporate world instead? Y'know, do something truly democratic like having a public referendum whenever some Giant Of Business wants to do something like mothball a North American factory, permanently layoff about 20000 people, and move the whole thing to China.

Word the ballot as follows:

"Do you approve of X Inc. shutting down operations in Canada/USA in order to cut costs, radically increase short-term profits, financially afflict thousands of North American families, and skip out on paying any more taxes in North America in exchange for you being able to Buy Moar Cheep Stuff at WalMart?"

a) Yes
b) No
c) Have the entire X Inc. board of directors and entire executive office pool be declared traitors to their nation and people and then strung up from the nearest row of street lamps for even thinking this greed-driven anti-social garbage up in the first place?

Ten bucks says that the a-b-c results would go 5%-30%-65% if this sort of vote were ever held. Which is exactly why democracy will never be applied to the quasi-fascist workings of corporatism. Might upset the apple cart too much to ever be allowed.

So why are we talking about the chimera of Communism again when this utterly immoral, unethical, proudly destructive, and openly evil thing that's already built into the existing system is so clearly far, far worse?

[Bruce_the_vii]

Go over to Babble and you will find living breathing, self confident communists. These are people that believe the difference between people isn't working hard and talent rather just money. They will tell you if money was taken out of the equation people would turn out to be talented as the next guy and in a socialist society there would be no actual class self consciousness. They consider this elementary and a matter of education until it's widely understood.

[sandorski]

Somehow I knew OWS would be dragged into this.

It is fully understandable why many people within the former Warsaw Pact hold a somewhat rose coloured view of their Communist past. The transition from Communism to a more Capitalist system has been long and hard. In time they'll reach a point where these romantic memories will fade as their Lifestyle improves.

This view has nothing to do with OWS though. It is not a Black/White choice here. Both of these systems have serious flaws and one group complaining about the flaws does not mean they embrace the other system in its' entirety or even at any level. This "e-mail", as they usually are, is a complete canard and a Strawman Fail.

[Robair]

When you use the words facism and communism in the context of North America, it's hard to take you seriously. Pretty much garaunteed to be partisan bullshit.

Capitalism vs socialism. Use those terms and I might give your article a read.

/rant.

[BartSimpson]

Thanos wrote:

Instead of worrying about the return of Communism, which is just a red herring anyway that's been concocted by the defenders of the status quo to justify the crimes of Wall Street, how about introducing public democracy into the corporate world instead? Y'know, do something truly democratic like having a public referendum whenever some Giant Of Business wants to do something like mothball a North American factory, permanently layoff about 20000 people, and move the whole thing to China.

Word the ballot as follows:

"Do you approve of X Inc. shutting down operations in Canada/USA in order to cut costs, radically increase short-term profits, financially afflict thousands of North American families, and skip out on paying any more taxes in North America in exchange for you being able to Buy Moar Cheep Stuff at WalMart?"

a) Yes
b) No
c) Have the entire X Inc. board of directors and entire executive office pool be declared traitors to their nation and people and then strung up from the nearest row of street lamps for even thinking this greed-driven anti-social garbage up in the first place?

Ten bucks says that the a-b-c results would go 5%-30%-65% if this sort of vote were ever held. Which is exactly why democracy will never be applied to the quasi-fascist workings of corporatism. Might upset the apple cart too much to ever be allowed.

So why are we talking about the chimera of Communism again when this utterly immoral, unethical, proudly destructive, and openly evil thing that's already built into the existing system is so clearly far, far worse?

So instead of communism you're proposing fascism?

[Thanos]

Don't think so literally when you read other people's mutterings. It's as big a waste of your time as it is when you over-worry about a bunch of smelly hippie stoners and mentally-ill bagpeople at an Occupy site actually being able to bring back the gulag or the NKVD.

My fantasies about our desparate need to purge the rot out of our upper classes are my own. The corporate elite have never been held accountable for any of the things they've gotten away with and they never will. All that the 200+ years of American-inspired democracy and free enterprise spreading across the world has really done has been to create a globalized class of the wealthy that's even more irresponsible, more greedy, and more entrenched than the old aristocracies that said democracy allegedly replaced ever was. When Tony Hayward at BP or Lloyd Blankfein at GoldmanSachs does as much time in prison for their crimes that a junkie who shoots a clerk during a liquor store robbery does for his then maybe someday I'll believe the propaganda that we're all equal under the law. But that day will never come and anyone who's actually an adult knows it. That's just the way it is and apparently always will be.

I'd like to see the day come when this sort of greed is finally seen for the sociopathic mental illness that it actually is. But that day won't come in my lifetime, nor for a thousand generations after my time on this earth is concluded. That the very worst among us will always rise to the top is as unbreakable a rule as is the sun rising in the east and setting in the west.

[andyt]

Thanos wrote:

Instead of worrying about the return of Communism, which is just a red herring anyway that's been concocted by the defenders of the status quo to justify the crimes of Wall Street, how about introducing public democracy into the corporate world instead? Y'know, do something truly democratic like having a public referendum whenever some Giant Of Business wants to do something like mothball a North American factory, permanently layoff about 20000 people, and move the whole thing to China.

Word the ballot as follows:

"Do you approve of X Inc. shutting down operations in Canada/USA in order to cut costs, radically increase short-term profits, financially afflict thousands of North American families, and skip out on paying any more taxes in North America in exchange for you being able to Buy Moar Cheep Stuff at WalMart?"

a) Yes
b) No
c) Have the entire X Inc. board of directors and entire executive office pool be declared traitors to their nation and people and then strung up from the nearest row of street lamps for even thinking this greed-driven anti-social garbage up in the first place?

Ten bucks says that the a-b-c results would go 5%-30%-65% if this sort of vote were ever held. Which is exactly why democracy will never be applied to the quasi-fascist workings of corporatism. Might upset the apple cart too much to ever be allowed.

So why are we talking about the chimera of Communism again when this utterly immoral, unethical, proudly destructive, and openly evil thing that's already built into the existing system is so clearly far, far worse?

Don't let Steve hear you talking like that. Bart does this because he has a simple, black and white mind. Anything that's not Randian capitalism is communist in his eyes. Plus it hides the fact he's got nothing in regard to the problems of the current system.

But seriously, I doubt you and Stevo are on the same page on this one. (I actually think he and Flaherty are doing a good job right now on the economy - doubt if the Libs would do better. Thank God Stevo didn't have a majority in his "if we were going to have a recession we would have had it by now" days. And that his lust for power over rides his ideological purity. Who knows, maybe he's a changed man and has come over to the center. I'm still keeping a leery eye on him tho.)

[Thanos]

Neither were the Chretien Liberals who, despite all their lies in the 1993 campaign, did SFA to stop the trade agreements that acclerated the hollowing out of the North American economies and teh destruction of our middle class. In your own way you're so very much stuck in the black vs. white manner of thought that the rest of us are.

[andyt]

Thanos wrote:

Neither were the Chretien Liberals who, despite all their lies in the 1993 campaign, did SFA to stop the trade agreements that acclerated the hollowing out of the North American economies and teh destruction of our middle class. In your own way you're so very much stuck in the black vs. white manner of thought that the rest of us are.

No that's a good point. Except I'm not stuck in black and white, because I'm not saying the Libs did any better there. I'm not a die hard supporter of any party - they all have their problems. We've been sucking up to China since Trudeau, and fool that I was, I agreed with it at the time. Same with globalization - I used to think it was a good idea, until I started seeing how it goes down. Basically we're forming a global 1 percenter elite who will be in power all over the world, with the knowledge and technology to the keep the rest permanently down.

I'm just noticing that you really come down hard on the US, for good reason, but seem to give Canada a bit of a pass.

[Thanos]

I'll grudgingly give the Liberals some credit for the rules and regulations that prevented the excesses that've devastated the United States from happening here, at least not on such a wide and destructive scale. The angry Canadian conservatism of the era would not have been interested in preventing the American disaster from happening here.

I'm also glad that the Reform period nightmare is over and the ideas from those days mostly, and deservedly, forgotten. If any of that had been implemented in Canada then we would have all gotten as horribly F'd In The A by Bay Street as the Yanks have been by Wall Street.

[andyt]

Thanos wrote:

I'll grudgingly give the Liberals some credit for the rules and regulations that prevented the excesses that've devastated the United States from happening here, at least not on such a wide and destructive scale. The angry Canadian conservatism of the era would not have been interested in preventing the American disaster from happening here.

I'm also glad that the Reform period nightmare is over and the ideas from those days mostly, and deservedly, forgotten. If any of that had been implemented in Canada then we would have all gotten as horribly F'd In The A by Bay Street as the Yanks have been by Wall Street.

Right Arm. And that's why I twig you about Stevo - because I think he was still in the Reform mindset as recently as 2008, and I'm not convinced he's abandoned it yet. He's just too smart to go whole hog on it right now. But as I say, props to him right now, on the economic front he's probably doing about as good as anybody could. The big test will come when Europe and/or US finally crashes and we go spiralling down the drain after them.