[Scape]

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011 ... ntPage=all

[Canadian_Mind]

Awesome read, thanks.

[martin14]

Nice read, Scape, thanks for the find.

[Regina]

[GreenTiger]

Yes, thanks for the find. It made for good reading.

[BartSimpson]

On the matter of the OBL raid I'm still wondering where is the liberal-left condemnation of Obama for ordering the execution of OBL when the man could have just as easily been taken into custody and prosecuted after first being afforded his Geneva Convention rights.

[GreenTiger]

BartSimpson wrote:

On the matter of the OBL raid I'm still wondering where is the liberal-left condemnation of Obama for ordering the execution of OBL when the man could have just as easily been taken into custody and prosecuted after first being afforded his Geneva Convention rights.

Probably the left will be upset that he didn't receive his Miranda warning, then be given his Geneva Convention rights before being taken to his his state room.

[LebanonPride]

Am I the only one that thinks they would of been better off taking him alive and putting an end to Al Qaida? Think of all the info they could of got out of him. If he didn't talk, off to Gitmo for the rest of his life.

Al Qaida is still around, he was replaced easily, and nothing has really changed. Bin Laden wasn't the most public guy out there to begin with, hiding in caves and apparently mansions.

Just saying....

[Tricks]

LebanonPride wrote:

Am I the only one that thinks they would of been better off taking him alive and putting an end to Al Qaida? Think of all the info they could of got out of him. If he didn't talk, off to Gitmo for the rest of his life.

Al Qaida is still around, he was replaced easily, and nothing has really changed. Bin Laden wasn't the most public guy out there to begin with, hiding in caves and apparently mansions.

Just saying....

Implying that was an option.

[LebanonPride]

Of course not.

They didn't even consider it.

[DrCaleb]

LebanonPride wrote:

Of course not.

They didn't even consider it.

I imagine they did consider it. Which is also why he was buried at sea.

The alternatives were probabally less than desirable, which is why they weren't persued. Al Queda is not one man, and giving radicals a focus for a lengthy trial probabally was considered to be a higher cost to innocent life in the long run.

[LebanonPride]

Not according to that article:

Quote:

If all went according to plan, the SEALs would drop from the helicopters into the compound, overpower bin Laden’s guards, shoot and kill him at close range, and then take the corpse back to Afghanistan.

I know, they aren't one man and that's why it was so easy to replace him, but getting the leader would of done much more to put an end to Al Qaida than killing him.

[DrCaleb]

LebanonPride wrote:

Not according to that article:

Quote:

If all went according to plan, the SEALs would drop from the helicopters into the compound, overpower bin Laden’s guards, shoot and kill him at close range, and then take the corpse back to Afghanistan.

I know, they aren't one man and that's why it was so easy to replace him, but getting the leader would of done much more to put an end to Al Qaida than killing him.

'The plan' thought would have been decided long before they got in the helicopters. Remember, they were watching him for months before the raid. All options would have been considered, before the plan was finalized.

If capture were an option, they would have that in the plan.

[Psudo]

I think a fair trial against Osama bin Ladin would have been an honorable thing in the same tradition as John Adams' defense of the British soldiers of the Boston Massacre. Just like that trial, the enemies of America would probably have ignored or distorted the meaning of the trial. I can see why some would want to avoid that consequence, but I think doing the right thing is worth its consequences. If the USA would judge right and wrong based more on principles and less on consequences, then we would not have lost our international reputation as the nation based in liberty and justice.

DrCaleb could be right, though. Maybe it was impossible. But it would have been nice.

[Tricks]

I feel like getting a live Osama Bin Laden, first under control enough to evac, but then evac him period wasn't worth the risk of lives. Plus, we weren't in that room. We don't know what Bin Laden was doing when he got a few grams heavier.