[Gunnair]

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Goodspeed Analysis

When WikiLeaks made thousands of secret U.S. diplomatic cables public last fall, Turkey’s Aksam newspaper dubbed the document dump “The Sept. 11 of Diplomacy.”

There was a definite note of anxiety in thousands of cables sent to Washington describing how Turkey, for the first time since becoming a republic in 1923, was moving to become an active player in the Middle East.

The diplomats described Recep Tayyip Erdogan, the Turkish Prime Minister, as an autocratic Islamist who surrounds himself with an “iron ring of sycophantic (but contemptuous) advisors,” who understand little beyond Ankara and foster “exceptionally dangerous,” “neo-Ottoman Islamist fantasies.”

Mr. Erdogan, 57, a former Istanbul mayor, who as a youngster sold snacks on street corners in that city’s tough Kasimpasa neighbourhood, may be the most successful leader in modern Turkey since Mustafa Kemal Ataturk. But U.S. diplomats focused on his “overbearing pride,” “unbridled ambition” and “the belief God has anointed him to lead Turkey.”

They also discussed his “overweening desire to stay in power which, despite his macho image, renders him fearful and prone to temporizing, even at moments which call for swift and resolute decisions.”

One U.S. ambassador insisted Mr. Erdogan has “an authoritarian loner streak,” while another said he “simply hates Israel.”

All of which suggests Barack Obama, the U.S. President, was braced for a “frank and forthright exchange of views” when he met Mr. Erdogan Tuesday in New York on the sidelines of the United Nations General Assembly.

With a booming economy that is the envy of the Middle East, Turkey is poised to carve out a muscular new role in the region.

Last year, its gross domestic product grew 9%, second only to China. The Organization for Economic Co-operation & Development predicts Turkey will have the fastest growing economy in the group until 2017.

As a NATO member, with Europe’s largest standing army and U.S. military bases that are critical to U.S. operations in Afghanistan and Iraq, Turkey is already a strategically important U.S. ally.

Just last week Ankara cut a deal with Washington to place a missile defence radar in Turkey to protect against Iranian missile attacks.

But in the turmoil unleashed by the Arab Spring, Turkey, with its new confidence and growing wealth, is also beginning to consider itself a leader of a politically transformed Islamic-rooted Middle East.

Ahmet Davutoglu, the Foreign Minister, talks openly of Turks being the “New Ottomans,” noting that like Britain with its Commonwealth of former colonies Turkey might reassert influence in corners of the old Ottoman Empire, in the Balkans, the Middle East and Central Asia.

Mr. Erdogan voiced a similar ambition last June, when he delivered a victory speech on the night of his third consecutive national election win.

“Believe me, Sarajevo won today as much as Istanbul,” he said. “Beirut won as much as Izmir; Damascus won as much as Ankara; Ramallah, Nablus, Jenin, the West Bank and Jerusalem won as much as Diyarbakir.”

In the absence of any strong Arab leaders, the Turkish PM believes his unique combination of political power, self-confidence and Muslim piety have positioned him to assume a powerful new role in the region.

That could only be reinforced by the hero’s welcome he received last week when crowds in Libya, Egypt and Tunisia hailed him as the “saviour of Islam.”

“Erdogan’s tour warmed the hearts of millions of proud nationalist Turks, who enjoyed the spectacle of their Prime Minister, as in their words, ‘King of the Arab street,’ ” said Steven Cook of the Council on Foreign Relations.

“Ankara’s posture in the Middle East — and the Arab world’s apparent receptivity to it — simply confirmed what Erdogan had been telling Turks for some time: A prosperous, powerful and democratic Turkey can influence the world around it.”

But the new assertiveness is also straining relations with the United States.

Tensions between Turkey and Israel, which Mr. Erdogan last week publicly condemned as “the West’s spoiled child,” were expected to dominate Tuesday’s talks with Mr. Obama.

Washington wants to prevent any further rupture between its two closest Middle East allies.

But Mr. Erdogan’s emphatic support for the UN granting statehood to Palestine has also placed Washington and Ankara on opposite sides of another crucial issue.

Both countries are struggling to find common ground on a multinational bid to end the repression in Syria and depose President Bashar Assad.

As Syria’s immediate neighbour, Turkey will play a crucial role in enforcing sanctions and could apply additional pressure on the country’s business elite.

Yet another bump in relations is an emerging crisis over Greek Cyprus’s decision to drill for oil and gas in the eastern Mediterranean.

Turkey refuses to acknowledge the internationally recognized Greek Cypriot government. Before he left for New York, Mr. Erdogan announced Turkey will launch its own oil exploration off the north coast of Cyprus.

As an emerging regional power, he also said Turkey will step up monitoring the region around the island with jet fighters, frigates and torpedo boats.

National Post

[Gunnair]

Not quite the Sick Man of Europe anymore.

[ShepherdsDog]

looks like they're going feral.

[saturn_656]

Turkey is more and more looking like a country in need of an "adjustment".

[Gunnair]

saturn_656 wrote:

Turkey is more and more looking like a country in need of an "adjustment".

They can join the list then.

[andyt]

Guess it's all in your POV

The Middle East’s new emperor: Why the West quietly cheers Turkey’s rise http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/africa-mideast/the-middle-easts-new-emperor-why-the-west-quietly-cheers-turkeys-rise/article2169665/

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Indeed, many Western diplomats, including those from the United States, quietly say that Mr. Erdogan’s eastern turn is a welcome and beneficial development – in good part because it could herald the eclipse of Saudi Arabia’s and Iran’s much more dangerous influence over the Arab states, but also because what Mr. Erdogan is doing is hardly imperial or Islamist.

His key message to Egyptians, delivered in a national TV interview, is that they should get rid of their old sharia-based constitution and become a secular state. “In Turkey, constitutional secularism is defined as the state remaining equidistant to all religions,” he said. “In a secular regime people are free to be religious or not.”

And if there was any ambiguity, he then told Egyptians that the most important thing Arabs should learn from Turkey is secularism – a word that is close to unmentionable in Egypt these days.

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“If you actually examine what is happening,” says Fadi Hakura, head of the Turkey Project at London’s Chatham House, “you realize that this is the best possible situation for the United States and Europe – you have a strongly allied country that can exercise a tough position with Israel without promoting the kind of violence that other regional actors like Iran did.” In other words, Turkey may play the bad cop with Israel, but unlike Tehran, it won’t be interested in bankrolling terrorists groups like Hezbollah.

[MaineUSAGuy]

Turkey is a vital country. Istanbul is both in Europe and in Asia.

[BartSimpson]

andyt wrote:

Guess it's all in your POV

Those were nice quotes, but keep in mind that Edrogan also said:

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Speaking at Kanal D TV’s Arena program, PM Erdogan commented on the term “moderate Islam”, often used in the West to describe AKP and said, ‘These descriptions are very ugly, it is offensive and an insult to our religion. There is no moderate or immoderate Islam. Islam is Islam and that’s it.”

Source: Milliyet, Turkey, August 21, 2007

He's also been very antagonistic to the Turkish military and the odds of his leaving office in a box are considered consequential. He's picked fights with Greece over Cyprus, he's picked fights with the Greeks over Macedonia, and he's picked fights with the Greeks by using Turkish government funds to finance mosques in Greece.

And let's not forget he just a few weeks ago threatened war with Israel.

He is not a moderate.

[fifeboy]

BartSimpson wrote:

He's picked fights with Greece over Cyprus, he's picked fights with the Greeks over Macedonia, and he's picked fights with the Greeks by using Turkish government funds to finance mosques in Greece.

Jeeze Bart, ya think there is some kind of ancient animosity between Greece and Turkey?

[ShepherdsDog]

it all started over a woman. Funny thing in that part of the world.

[fifeboy]

ShepherdsDog wrote:

it all started over a woman. Funny thing in that part of the world.

Yeah, her face launched a thousand ships. That's a lot of Champagne. I betcha Elizabeth II has launched less than 100.



FYI, I don't think the Turks had moved out of the steppes yet during Helen's time.

[ShepherdsDog]

imagine if Paris had stolen the favourite goat of Menelaus....Greece would have been clear cut.

[fifeboy]

ShepherdsDog wrote:

imagine if Paris had stolen the favourite goat of Menelaus....Greece would have been clear cut.

[sandorski]

BartSimpson wrote:

andyt wrote:

Guess it's all in your POV

Those were nice quotes, but keep in mind that Edrogan also said:

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Speaking at Kanal D TV’s Arena program, PM Erdogan commented on the term “moderate Islam”, often used in the West to describe AKP and said, ‘These descriptions are very ugly, it is offensive and an insult to our religion. There is no moderate or immoderate Islam. Islam is Islam and that’s it.”

Source: Milliyet, Turkey, August 21, 2007

He's also been very antagonistic to the Turkish military and the odds of his leaving office in a box are considered consequential. He's picked fights with Greece over Cyprus, he's picked fights with the Greeks over Macedonia, and he's picked fights with the Greeks by using Turkish government funds to finance mosques in Greece.

And let's not forget he just a few weeks ago threatened war with Israel.

He is not a moderate.

I think you missed his point there.

[ShepherdsDog]

fifeboy wrote:

ShepherdsDog wrote:

it all started over a woman. Funny thing in that part of the world.

Yeah, her face launched a thousand ships. That's a lot of Champagne. I betcha Elizabeth II has launched less than 100.



FYI, I don't think the Turks had moved out of the steppes yet during Helen's time.

Genetically, the population didn't change that much after the Turks conquered Anatolia from the Byzantines. The Turkish soldiers just intermarried with the local populations, like previous conquerors had done. There's no real difference between a Greek and Turk, besides religion....just don't tell the Greeks that.