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PostPosted: Fri Apr 05, 2013 3:45 pm
 


peck420 peck420:
DanSC and stratos,

See, this is where I get very confused.

How does the US have one law (that is supposedly the highest law) state that all Citizens(not male, not female, not gay, not straight, but all citizens) be treated equally under the law, then have State laws that say otherwise?

Is that not a contradiction bound to cause conflict until fixed?

DanSC,

It is my understanding that marriage was not defined in most(all?)States as a single man and woman until DOMA in 1995. Which would be after the first gay marriage requests were made. Does that not make DOMA (and the derivatives) unconstitutional since they amended the law to exclude specific Citizens?


Over the last 200 years the Supream Court has rulled that this applies to all religons, races and genders but not in regards to weather same sex marriage is covered by this. Thus all the court cases going through the system right now. The way it works is basicly if you think your position is covered by any statuet in the Constitution and are being denied that right you start out in the lower courts and fight you way to the top court. Some rights are restricted such as free speach. Hate crimes cover hate speach yet it says that one has the right to free speach. There are many more examples of this but thats the first one that comes to mind.
A lot of times its how the law is writen that comes under fire. Legaly a white male between the ages of 18-45 can not be discriminated against. It's because of the way the laws are written. It does not say so but the laws covers every age group and race besides the 18-45 white males thus in the eyes of the law it is very hard to prove that as a white male you have been discriminated against because of your race and or gender.

I hope this explains it a bit why even though the Consitution says one thing in reality it is not always the case. A lot of it is do to rulings that have set presedents over the years. Varying judges have had varying views on all the issues thus from one era to another how laws are enforced if at all come and go.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 05, 2013 3:55 pm
 


stratos stratos:
I hope this explains it a bit why even though the Consitution says one thing in reality it is not always the case. A lot of it is do to rulings that have set presedents over the years. Varying judges have had varying views on all the issues thus from one era to another how laws are enforced if at all come and go.


Thanks.

It would appear that I have far more to learn then I have time to study. Ah well, I may come back to this if I have any more questions/ideas.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 05, 2013 4:02 pm
 


peck420 peck420:
stratos stratos:
I hope this explains it a bit why even though the Consitution says one thing in reality it is not always the case. A lot of it is do to rulings that have set presedents over the years. Varying judges have had varying views on all the issues thus from one era to another how laws are enforced if at all come and go.


Thanks.

It would appear that I have far more to learn then I have time to study. Ah well, I may come back to this if I have any more questions/ideas.


Feel free and also if you wish send a PM I'll try to explain it as best I can. Trust me even at times I have to go [huh] that law makes absolutly no sense at all.

Here is a real kicker for you to ponder on A US Fed. District Judge once stated in his ruleing that Inmates are the slaves of the State they are incarceerated in. This was writen AFTER the civil war. This was in regards to states using inmates as basicly forced labour for road works.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2013 2:21 pm
 


Why are opponents of gay marriage in France so fired up?

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Because they're Roman Catholics?


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No, they're fired up because they're fired up. People are fired up because their government has failed them. People are fired up because the majority of their labour force has been placated lazy by socialism. They're fired up because the minority who works are overworked. They're fired up because, like all western democracies, their elderly are bleeding their social services dry. They're fired up because their youth are the laziest, most entitled demographic on record. People are sick of the government telling them anything. People are mad as hell. They don't want to take it any more.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2013 10:54 pm
 


Bah! They're French. They're fired up because it would take all depravity, the controversy out of it. All the fun.
Look at me! I'm different, I'm speshul!
No you're not. You're normal, just fucking gay. Who gives a shit?
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 9:19 am
 


Can't wait to see French muslims prosecuted for hate speech because they speak out against deviancies like homosexuality. It'll be quite entertaining to see the fans of diversity choke on their multiculturalism.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 12:08 pm
 


Lemmy Lemmy:
No, they're fired up because they're fired up. People are fired up because their government has failed them. People are fired up because the majority of their labour force has been placated lazy by socialism. They're fired up because the minority who works are overworked. They're fired up because, like all western democracies, their elderly are bleeding their social services dry. They're fired up because their youth are the laziest, most entitled demographic on record. People are sick of the government telling them anything. People are mad as hell. They don't want to take it any more.




Fuck, do I agree with all of this.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 12:25 pm
 


EyeBrock EyeBrock:
Lemmy Lemmy:
No, they're fired up because they're fired up. People are fired up because their government has failed them. People are fired up because the majority of their labour force has been placated lazy by socialism. They're fired up because the minority who works are overworked. They're fired up because, like all western democracies, their elderly are bleeding their social services dry. They're fired up because their youth are the laziest, most entitled demographic on record. People are sick of the government telling them anything. People are mad as hell. They don't want to take it any more.




Fuck, do I agree with all of this.


Ditto that. In spades.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 11:53 pm
 


Nope sorry it's pretty much all complete crap.

If workers were so riled up behind left leaning socialist movements they would be rallying behind their unions. Instead Union hate is about as high as it's ever been.

It's hard to say oh "the minority works!" when 10% unemployment would be considered a disaster in Canada.

I will sound really racist saying this but it's way more then just elders bleeding our system dry. The amount of corruption from first nations abusing the system is horrendous.

As for lazy youth they get taxed way way more and pay way way more for education then any time in the last few generations and possibly ever. They are not so much lazy as they are plastered in debt they will almost never pay off because of a lack of good jobs being shipped overseas to China.

It may sound good to spout empty platitudes but at the end of the day the issues are always way way more grey then anyone would like.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 5:36 am
 


Move to China and teach English...... lots of those jobs to be had to help pay off some of the student debt. The jobs don't come to you, you go where the jobs are. People have to readjust their comfort zones.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 8:25 am
 


stratos stratos:
Brenda Brenda:
I am so tired of comparing gay rights with pedophelia.

I guess we should have kept interracial marriages illegal. :roll:


And yet 100 years ago that was the case and today it is not. So please tell me how society will not chage its way of thinking 100 yrs from now and use what is done today as justification for what a segment of the population wants?

Society hasn't changed all that much, really. You can still get legally married at 16.
Giving gay people the right to marry goes way beyond just being able to shack up together for the benefits. There are legal issues that gay couples get screwed over on without the rule of law giving them the same rights as any other married couple, including common-law couples.

That hardly compares with adults who have a thing for little kids.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 10:02 am
 


If marriage is defined as being between a man and a woman, what happens to individuals who have ambiguous gender?

Hermaphrodites are the most commonly known, but there is a dozen or so conditions which make gender difficult to determine. In some of these cases, the individual may look outwardly like a man or a woman, but has internal anatomy which indicates otherwise. In other cases, the ambiguity goes down to the chromosomal level.

So how is a person's gender determined? Would we all have to have a medical examination? A genetic test? And if a person has indeterminate gender, who decides who they get to marry?

And what of transgender persons? If a man changes to a woman, whom does s/he get to marry? A genetic male, in which case you have two genetic males marrying, or a genetic female, in which case it looks like two women marrying!

The one man/one woman argument just doesn't work.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 10:14 am
 


I figured most religious sects considered transgenders to be heathen spawn that prove Satan's existence. I'm paraphrasing.

Also, I'd vote this as one of the threads I'm okay letting die. I shed no tears for seeing this debate disappear for at least a few days.


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