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Interesting statistic.

http://sweetness-light.com/archive/moha ... -in-the-uk

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Mohammed, and its most common alternative spelling Muhammad, are now more popular babies’ names in England and Wales than George, reflecting the diverse ethnic mix of the population.

The Office for National Statistics said there were 2,833 baby boys called Mohammed in 2006.

The name is 22nd in the list of most popular boys’ names, moving up a place from last year.

Spelled Muhammad, it is the 44th most popular name and enters the top 50 for the first time along with Noah, Oscar, Lucas and Rhys.

There were 2,833 babies called Mohammed born in 2006 and 1,422 called Muhammad. The total exceeds the number of Georges (3,386) or Josephs (3,755).





In the UK, Mohammed has overtaken George as a popular baby name.

In Belgium, Amsterdam and Malmo Sweden, Mohammed is the most popular name for new born boys in the country.

30% of those under the age of 15 in France are of Muslim descent.

At the risk of upsetting the "United Colours of Benetton", "We are the World" types out there, I just have a quick question.

Why does the left find common cause with Islamists?

I mean, with numbers like that, surely it's only a matter of time till we begin to see the emergence of a Pan-Islamic party in Europe, which pushes such nifty little concepts like Sharia Law and the full veiling of all those infidel whores on the catwalks of Rome and Paris.

Yet the left, in both Europe and on this side of the pond, seem to find common cause with Islam every chance they get. I mean, it's right wing bastards like me who are the one's screaming that the western press should have been running the Danish Mohammed cartoons on page one of every newspaper in the free world to prove that we won't sacrifice hard won principles like a free press to threats of violence and intimidation by Muslim radicals.

And it's right wingers like me that are pilloried daily as "Islamophobes" every time we point out that maybe, just maybe, the western style of organizing a society is better than what the Islamic world seems capable of at this point in history.

I don't understand it.

After all, I'm a regular, average type of guy. If the nastier strains of Islam ever do take hold in this country, I won't have to do anything more than trade in my porno collection for a couple of extra wives and forgo my Saturday night trips to the pub for a still in the basement.

I suspect the gays and feminists on the left side of the spectrum may not fare so well.

But by all means, keep ranting against those evil "Christians".

After all, little old grey haired ladies are making pot luck dinners and plotting to deprive you of your rights in Presbyterian Church basements all over Canada right now!


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the truth is islam is the best thing that ever happened to g.w. bush


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So what do naming trends have to do with the "left" finding common cause with the Islamists?


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So what do naming trends have to do with the "left" finding common cause with the Islamists?


Because the left (you) won't say a damn thing until you're going to prayer one morning and say WTF.


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The naming trends show that islam is becoming more and more popular and might soon rival christianity as the dominant religion. Yet most people on the (far) left bash the christians like crazy but don't say much against islam


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XERXES:So what do naming trends have to do with the "left" finding common cause with the Islamists?




Nothing per se. But names are indicative of emerging demographic trends.

And invariably, it's the left, with their mantra of "diversity", "tolerance" and ideas of moral equivilency/cultural relativism, who leap to apologize for every muslim excess that ever turns up in the news.

I'm saying I don't understand why that is. After all, it's the gays, feminists and others who make up the political left who have the most to fear from an increasingly dominant Islam.


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The naming trends show that islam is becoming more and more popular and might soon rival christianity as the dominant religion. Yet most people on the (far) left bash the christians like crazy but don't say much against islam


I wish I could have put it so succintly. Well said.


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Unless white people are starting to name their children Mohammed in droves I don't see how that shows the "left" is finding more commonality with Islam than Christianity.


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Unless white people are starting to name their children Mohammed in droves I don't see how that shows the "left" is finding more commonality with Islam than Christianity.


Where have you been? The western left and radical Islam love one another.

Invariably, the strongest critics of Israel and supporters of the Palestinians are on the left side of the spectrum. It was left wing marchers in Montreal who were waving around Hezbollah flags during the war this summer. It was left wing politicians like Andre Boisclaire who marched with and addressed the crowd.

It's the left who rail against the "Christian" influence in our society, even to the point of demanding Christmas trees be removed from public buildings. Then in the same breath, those are the one's who argue it was "insensitive" to publish the "racist" Danish Mohammed cartoons. These are the same people who flock to museums showings of Andre Serrano's "Piss Christ" or the "Virgin Mary covered in Elephant Dung" and call it "art."

It's the left, exemplified by people like Alexadre Trudeau, who are publicly decrying national security certificates and leaping to the defence of Hassam Almrei, an Islamist thug if ever there was one.

It's the left who hold rallies outside the US consulate condemning GW for "bombing Muslim children", while ignoring the fact the vast, overwhelming majority of those killed in Iraq a slaughtered by other Muslims.

It's the left who decry western society as racist and callous for failing to rush in guns blazing to "save" the Muslims of Darfur from other genocidal Muslims of the Janjaweed militia. (And if GW did decide to get involved, it would be left wing students who replaced their "Save Darfur" t-shirts" with "War is Not The Answer" ones.)

It's left wing politicians like Toronto's mayor Miller, whose response to the Toronto 17 terror plot was to hold a speech explaining that "these people came from a broad cross section of society" and then go on to praise the cities diversity as one of the facts that has prevented terrorism in this country. Talk about the Emperor Has No Clothes!

It's left wing mayor's like Paris' Delanoe, an out homosexual, who blamed French society's "intolerance" of gays after he was stabbed by a knife weilding Muslim who was disgusted by his lifestyle.

Shall I go on?


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So what do naming trends have to do with the "left" finding common cause with the Islamists?


It doesnt have a bloody thing to do with it...It's just a Connie sing the same song while dancing the same old dance.


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xerxes xerxes:
Unless white people are starting to name their children Mohammed in droves I don't see how that shows the "left" is finding more commonality with Islam than Christianity.


Where have you been? The western left and radical Islam love one another.

Invariably, the strongest critics of Israel and supporters of the Palestinians are on the left side of the spectrum. It was left wing marchers in Montreal who were waving around Hezbollah flags during the war this summer. It was left wing politicians like Andre Boisclaire who marched with and addressed the crowd.

It's the left who rail against the "Christian" influence in our society, even to the point of demanding Christmas trees be removed from public buildings. Then in the same breath, those are the one's who argue it was "insensitive" to publish the "racist" Danish Mohammed cartoons. These are the same people who flock to museums showings of Andre Serrano's "Piss Christ" or the "Virgin Mary covered in Elephant Dung" and call it "art."

It's the left, exemplified by people like Alexadre Trudeau, who are publicly decrying national security certificates and leaping to the defence of Hassam Almrei, an Islamist thug if ever there was one.

It's the left who hold rallies outside the US consulate condemning GW for "bombing Muslim children", while ignoring the fact the vast, overwhelming majority of those killed in Iraq a slaughtered by other Muslims.

It's the left who decry western society as racist and callous for failing to rush in guns blazing to "save" the Muslims of Darfur from other genocidal Muslims of the Janjaweed militia. (And if GW did decide to get involved, it would be left wing students who replaced their "Save Darfur" t-shirts" with "War is Not The Answer" ones.)

It's left wing politicians like Toronto's mayor Miller, whose response to the Toronto 17 terror plot was to hold a speech explaining that "these people came from a broad cross section of society" and then go on to praise the cities diversity as one of the facts that has prevented terrorism in this country. Talk about the Emperor Has No Clothes!

It's left wing mayor's like Paris' Delanoe, an out homosexual, who blamed French society's "intolerance" of gays after he was stabbed by a knife weilding Muslim who was disgusted by his lifestyle.

Shall I go on?


That still has nothing to do with a change in naming trends in England.

Maybe after you're done tearing apart the straw man you made you could actually give something resembling an answer as to how a rise in people being named Mohammed has anything to do with anything.

That is, unless as I suspect, you have a serious problem with the people who call their children Mohammed in which case I would encourage you to go and rip on all the Latino's who call their children Jesus. Though, i suspect, you have a problem with their kind as well.


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xerxes xerxes:
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xerxes xerxes:
Unless white people are starting to name their children Mohammed in droves I don't see how that shows the "left" is finding more commonality with Islam than Christianity.


Where have you been? The western left and radical Islam love one another.

Invariably, the strongest critics of Israel and supporters of the Palestinians are on the left side of the spectrum. It was left wing marchers in Montreal who were waving around Hezbollah flags during the war this summer. It was left wing politicians like Andre Boisclaire who marched with and addressed the crowd.

It's the left who rail against the "Christian" influence in our society, even to the point of demanding Christmas trees be removed from public buildings. Then in the same breath, those are the one's who argue it was "insensitive" to publish the "racist" Danish Mohammed cartoons. These are the same people who flock to museums showings of Andre Serrano's "Piss Christ" or the "Virgin Mary covered in Elephant Dung" and call it "art."

It's the left, exemplified by people like Alexadre Trudeau, who are publicly decrying national security certificates and leaping to the defence of Hassam Almrei, an Islamist thug if ever there was one.

It's the left who hold rallies outside the US consulate condemning GW for "bombing Muslim children", while ignoring the fact the vast, overwhelming majority of those killed in Iraq a slaughtered by other Muslims.

It's the left who decry western society as racist and callous for failing to rush in guns blazing to "save" the Muslims of Darfur from other genocidal Muslims of the Janjaweed militia. (And if GW did decide to get involved, it would be left wing students who replaced their "Save Darfur" t-shirts" with "War is Not The Answer" ones.)

It's left wing politicians like Toronto's mayor Miller, whose response to the Toronto 17 terror plot was to hold a speech explaining that "these people came from a broad cross section of society" and then go on to praise the cities diversity as one of the facts that has prevented terrorism in this country. Talk about the Emperor Has No Clothes!

It's left wing mayor's like Paris' Delanoe, an out homosexual, who blamed French society's "intolerance" of gays after he was stabbed by a knife weilding Muslim who was disgusted by his lifestyle.

Shall I go on?


That still has nothing to do with a change in naming trends in England.

Maybe after you're done tearing apart the straw man you made you could actually give something resembling an answer as to how a rise in people being named Mohammed has anything to do with anything.

That is, unless as I suspect, you have a serious problem with the people who call their children Mohammed in which case I would encourage you to go and rip on all the Latino's who call their children Jesus. Though, i suspect, you have a problem with their kind as well.


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Intersting considering fundamentalist Islamist are conservatives.



Yeah ok. Much closer to socialist liberals. They want everything controlled by the government which in turn they control. Also they control what the media reports.

Let’s see LPC, CRTC, CBC yep very close.


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Wow brave dude MCD, and not one person has screamed racist at you. That's progress from both the left and right. Here's an article that everyone should take the time to read.

Dhimmis for Dummies

By Victor Sharpe

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Moslems consider themselves in a perpetual state of war with their non-Moslem neighbors. If Islamic armies are unable to defeat what they consider the “infidels,” then a period of "truce" exists, which has several conditions. These include allowing the propagation of Islam, and if a non-Moslem nation forbids it or rejects mass proselytizing to Islam, then that nation will be subject to holy jihad. Jihad can be pursued through force or other means such as propaganda and subversion. These are the very means now being employed against the West and Judeo-Christian civilization, and Islamists have shown themselves to be brilliantly adept at manipulating the gullible and uninformed western media in pursuit of world domination.

The concept of jihad is a cardinal belief in the 21st century for Moslems, and it is based on Koranic injunctions. It is believed in by millions of Moslems in the Third world, but also by Moslems living in America, Britain, Europe, Australia, New Zealand and Canada. Furthermore, they passionately believe that one day the entire world will become Islamic and accept completely the will of Allah. For a population which submits to Islamic domination, but does not convert, the choice is either death ordhimmitude.
Dhimmis, on pain of death, are forbidden to mock or criticize the Koran, Islam, or Muhammad; to proselytize among Moslems; or to touch a Moslem woman (though a Moslem man could take a non-­Moslem as a wife). Traditionally, when a dhimmi has been harmed by a Muslim, his testimony is unacceptable in an Islamic court. A final humiliation was the jizya, a special tax which dhimmis had to pay the Moslem authorities. Jihad has reappeared as a way of wiping out the humiliation the Arab and Moslem world has felt as Western power became ascendant, especially after the defeat of the Ottoman Turkish Empire at the end of the First World War.

With petro-dollars pouring into Arab and Moslem coffers, Moslems now believe this is the right time for Islam to reassert itself, to achieve world domination through all-out war, including nuclear war, if necessary. The belief that Moslem Arab powers respond to overtures of peace by ending their aggression is but a mirage. Today’s European powers cravenly try to appease Islamist aggression and Islamo-fascism. Such an approach will lead us, sooner than we think, to the choice of forced conversion to Islam or subservience and wretchedness as dhimmis.

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Ask one hundred people in the United States what a dhimmi is and perhaps two or three might know. In Western Europe the number would be slightly higher because of latent memories of battles fought against invading Moslem armies over hundreds of years.

In 732, Charles Martel led his Frankish forces at Tours to victory against an Islamic invasion of France, which nearly destroyed Christian Europe. Similarly, Islam was ousted from Spain in 1492 after an occupation of the Iberian Peninsula by the Moslems for hundreds of years. Sadly, the Spanish Christian monarchs, Isabella and Ferdinand, and the Portuguese a few years later, also expelled the Jewish community although the Jews had lived in Spain and Portugal for many centuries and had never posed a threat to either Moslem or Christian sovereignty.

In Italy, Islamic power was brought to an end when the heavy Turkish galleys were defeated by Venetian galleasses at the great naval battle of Lepanto in 1571. And the Moslem Ottoman power, which at its height again threatened all of Western Europe, was barely turned back at the gates of Vienna on 11 September 1683 by a coalition of European armies. Incidentally, could there be a connection between 9.11.1683 and 9.11.2001, or is it just coincidence?

These were four major defeats by Europe of Islamic attempts of conquest and subjugation set against a history of victorious Moslem invasions and conquests that had been the hallmark of Islam since its founding in the seventh century.

But what of the peoples and nations that fell under Islamic occupation? For them the story was one of forced conversions to Islam, slavery, death and the Islamic institution of dhimmitude.
This is the word that describes the parlous state of those who refused to convert to Islam and became the subjugated, non-Muslims who were forced to accept a restrictive and humiliating subordination to a superior Islamic power and live as second class citizens in order to avoid enslavement or death. These peoples and populations were known as dhimmis, and if such a status was not humiliating enough, a special tax or tribute, called the jizya, was imposed upon them and upon all dhimmis.

Dhimmitude is the direct outcome of jihad, which is the military conquest of non-Islamic territory mandated by Allah as a spiritual obligation for every individual Moslem and Moslem nation.
From its beginnings in the seventh century, Islam spread through violent conquest of non-Moslem lands. In the eighth century, a formal set of rules to govern relationships between Moslems and non-Moslems was created based upon Moslem conquests of non-Moslem peoples. These rules were based upon jihad, which established how the Moslems would treat the conquered non-Moslems in terms of their submission to Islam.

Jihad can be pursued through force or other means such as propaganda, writing, or subversion against the perceived enemy. The so-called enemies are those who oppose the establishment of Islamic law or its spread, mission, or sovereignty over them and their land.

Propaganda and subversion are the very means now being employed against the West and Judeo-Christian civilization, and Islamists have shown themselves to be brilliantly adept at manipulating the gullible and uninformed western media in pursuit of their aims of world domination.

As I have written in previous articles, non-Islamic lands are considered the dar al-harb, the "house of war," until they submit to Islamic rule and enter the dar al-Islam. The ‘infidel’ falls into three categories: those who resist Islam with force, those living in a country that has a temporary truce with Islam, and those who have surrendered to Islam by exchanging land for peace.

Since the Oslo Accords, successive Israeli governments have been guilty of the now thoroughly discredited notion of “land for peace” in which Israel gives away land but never receives peace. Even the peace treaties with Egypt and Jordan are cold at best and the lands given away to Lebanon and the Arab Palestinians has been a calamitous error. The belief that Moslem Arab powers respond to overtures of peace by ending their aggression is but a mirage in the desert. This is proven time and again to be a delusion and is, in fact, a classic example of the mindset and behavior of the dhimmi.

A non-Moslem community forced to accept dhimmitude is condemned to live in a system that will only protect it from jihad if it is subservient to the Moslem master. In return, it is guaranteed limited rights under a system of discriminations that it must accept, or face forced conversion, slavery, or death.

In the early years of the Islamic conquests, the "tribute" or jizya was paid as a yearly poll tax, which symbolized the subordination of the dhimmi. Later, the inferior status of Jews and Christians was reinforced through a series of regulations that governed the behavior of the dhimmi. Jews and Christians were awarded a different status than other faiths. They were considered to be under protection as “people of the book.” People of non-monotheistic faiths, pagans, or atheists were simply to be exterminated.

According to Mitchell G. Bard, who has written extensively on the subject and produced the excellent rebuttal to Arab and pro-Arab propaganda in his book, Myths and Facts, “... dhimmis, on pain of death, were forbidden to mock or criticize the Koran, Islam or Muhammad, to proselytize among Moslems or to touch a Moslem woman (though a Moslem man could take a non-­Moslem as a wife).

“Dhimmis were excluded from public office and armed service, and were forbidden to bear arms. They were not allowed to ride horses or camels, to build synagogues or churches taller than mosques, to construct houses higher than those of Muslims or to drink wine in public. They were not allowed to pray or mourn in loud voices as that might offend the Moslems.

“The dhimmihad to show public deference toward Moslems, always yielding them the center of the road. The dhimmi was not allowed to give evidence in court against a Moslem, and his oath was unacceptable in an Islamic court. To defend himself the dhimmiwould have to purchase Moslem witnesses at great expense. This left the dhimmiwith little legal recourse when harmed by a Moslem.

“Dhimmis were also forced to wear distinctive clothing. In the ninth century, for example, Baghdad's Caliph al-Mutawakkil designated a yellow badge for Jews, setting a precedent that would be followed centuries later.”

By the twentieth century, the status of the dhimmiin Moslem lands had not significantly improved. H.E.W. Young, British Vice-Consul in Mosul, wrote in 1909:

“The attitude of the Muslims toward the Christians and the Jews is that of a master towards slaves, whom he treats with a certain lordly tolerance so long as they keep their place. Any sign of pretension to equality is promptly repressed.”

The concept of jihad is not something now discarded by Islam as a quaint belief appropriate to the distant past. On the contrary, it is a cardinal belief in the 21st century for Moslems based upon Koranic injunctions. It is believed in by millions of Moslems around the Third world, as much as by Moslems living in America, Britain, Europe, Australia, New Zealand and Canada. It is a belief, passionately held, that one day the entire world will become Islamic and accept completely the will of Allah.

It is vital, therefore, that the general public in every non-Moslem country be made aware that Moslems consider themselves in a perpetual state of war with their non-Moslem neighbors. If Islamic armies are unable to defeat what they consider the “infidels,” (that’s you and me), then a period of "truce" exists, which has several conditions. These include allowing Islam to be propagated, and if a non-Moslem nation forbids it or rejects mass proselytizing to Islam, then that nation will be considered as subject to holy jihad.

Sheikh Zayman al-Zawahiri, Al Qaida’s second in command, recently invited America to embrace Islam. The invitation is always given, according to some experts, prior to a major assault upon the “infidel nation,” because any rejection is considered by Moslems as an empirical reason to wage war upon the non-Moslem state; in this case the United States of America.

It is nearly impossible for sophisticated Western and European elites to understand or accept such medieval concepts, let alone the idea that a religious war is being waged against them. But their dismissal and amused disregard of what is taking place is as calamitous as that exemplified by the myopic politicians in Britain and America before the Second World War.

The lone voice in the wilderness at that time, Winston Churchill, appealed in vain to the political leaders who had not the ears to hear or the eyes to see the growing fascist menace during the 1930s posed by Germany and Italy. He called one such British politician an “epileptic corpse,” and characterized the failure of the Baldwin government in 1935 to re-arm by reaching back through his prodigious memory to read an apt poem, the Clattering Train, which could equally be applied to the later appeasement by Neville Chamberlain of Adolf Hitler.

“Those in charge of the clattering train, the axles creak and the couplings strain.

The pace is hot and the points are near and sleep has deadened the driver’s air.

The signals flash in the night in vain, for death is in charge of the clattering train.”

Western notions of peaceful co-existence between states, human rights and liberal democracy are all alien to the bin-Ladens and Zawahiris of the Islamic world. Hizbullah, Iran’s president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Hamas, Al Qaida, ad nauseum, all reject Judeo-Christian civilization as being in theological error. For them, the entire human race must embrace Allah’s pre-eminence and the Moslem believer is the divine instrument to bring about the Umma?t6 (worldwide Moslem community) in whatever way possible, including warfare and terror.

Jihad has reappeared as a way of wiping out the humiliation the Arab and Moslem world has felt as Western power became ascendant, especially after the defeat of the Ottoman Turkish Empire at the end of the First World War.

With a fabulous and never ending flow of petro-dollars pouring into Arab and Moslem coffers, the belief among Moslems is that the time is now right for Islam to reassert itself in dominating the world and bringing it to Allah through all out war, including nuclear war, if necessary.

The corollary to jihad is dhimmitude. This is what appeasement by non-Moslems to Islamist threats and terror leads to. Winston Churchill would have been shocked but not surprised at the craven appeasement displayed by today’s elitists in the European political echelons.

It is in marked contrast to the manner in which their ancestors confronted an earlier existential Islamic threat when they defeated decisively the Moslems at Tours, Iberia (Spain and Portugal), Lepanto and Vienna.

But without a similarly decisive defeat of present day Islamist aggression and Islamo-fascism we may all be faced, sooner than we think, with the choice of forced conversion to Islam or subservience and wretchedness as dhimmis^t6.

Better, therefore, for us all to be aware of the facts and not also be dummies.

If you took the time to read this article now are you afraid of Islam? It could happen to Canada, it has in France, Germany, Belgium, Italy, England.


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