[empson7]

[QUOTE BY= rearguard] Harper says Iran 'capable' of introducing Nazi-like clothing labels<br /> <br /> Harper seized on a newspaper report that said Iran's hardline government would require Jews and Christians to wear coloured labels in public..."It boggles the mind that any regime on the face of the Earth would want to do anything that could remind people of Nazi Germany."<br /> [/QUOTE]<br /> Perfect example of the mindset of Harper...will easily believe the most obvious propaganda simply because he agrees with the intention...mind you that is not a whole lt different from other people who rely on the Zionist Post for their international perspective by Benador Associate and resident racist George Jonas. <br /> <br /> <br /> [quote]And Iranian politicians - including a Jewish legislator in Tehran - were infuriated by the Post report, which they called false.<br /> <br /> Politician Morris Motamed, one of about 25,000 Jews who live in Iran, called the report a slap in the face to his minority community.[/quote]<br /> <br /> So why would another Benador Associate <a href="http://www.benadorassociates.com/article/19180">Amir Taheri</a> and The Simon Wiesenthal Center fabricate this ridiculously insulting bit of agit-prop?<br /> <br /> One assumes that it was timed to coincide with the Big Three meeting <a href="http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/howard-compares-iran-to-nazis/2006/05/20/1147545561673.html">here</a> in North America and give distraction to the attacks on Kyoto and boost the war option.<br /> <br /> But why is Canada usually the place where disinformation is being launched...is it because Canada's media is highly regarded and the average person thinking it might have more credibility if it was published as opposed to the <a href="http://www.pmwatch.org/pmw/manager/features/display_message.asp?mid=644">Washington Times</a><br /> <br />

[Dr Caleb]

[QUOTE BY= empson7] <br /> Perfect example of the mindset of Harper...will easily believe the most obvious propaganda simply because he agrees with the intention...mind you that is not a whole lt different from other people who rely on the Zionist Post for their international perspective by Benador Associate and resident racist George Jonas. <br /> [/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> . . .Speaking of racist . . .<br /> <br /> And yet, a simple google query would show you that there's a pretty even split between denial and affirmation that Iran is planning to do just that.<br /> <br /> <a href='http://news.google.ca/nwshp?tab=wn&ned=ca&ncl=http://news.monstersandcritics.com/middleeast/article_1165452.php/Iran_denies_reports_on_yellow_armbands_for_Jews&hl=en'>Google Query</a><br /> <br /> I see two Isreali papers (one owned by the Aspers) split on it, I see Canada.com and Nationalpost split on it. Including an article from the Associated Press, Austraillian Press and Bloomberg affirming the report: <a href="http://www.canada.com/topics/news/world/story.html?id=03dcff5f-b635-47f7-80a3-b2dc871676ec&k=73450">Canada.com</a><br /> <br /> Reminds me of the US blitzing the media in the 80's that Nicaragua was going to buy MiG fighters from Russia to attack the US, justifying the US backing of the Contras and arming Honduras with F-5 jets they couldn't afford to buy.<br />

[Roy_Whyte]

See the difference in statesmanship by Howard as compared to Harper? Howard may himself be an Aussie neocon, but at least he predicated his remarks with qualifying terms. <br /> <br /> Was it lousy reporting or a purposeful false-flag article? Considering CanWest has been consistently pro-American, pro-Israel and in the past has been nailed for changing news-wire copy without informing their readers as such, it makes one wonder. But then again, why do something like that if you know you will be called on it? Or are they betting that like the Bush neocons, they only need to fool some of the people some of the time instead of all the people, all of the time?

[empson7]

[QUOTE BY= Dr Caleb] <br /> <br /> . . .Speaking of racist . . .<br /> <br /> And yet, a simple google query would show you that<br /> [/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> That's just plain deceitful. <br /> The only one's 'affirming' the propaganda are sourcing the original propaganda piece??? It's called an echo chamber...pure propaganda, no merit whatsoever...just like tha allegations the IDF made against the UN transporting rockets instead of stretchers...<br /> <br /> Given the fact that the elites and their shitty media have been wrong so many times, it surprising that any would bother going to bat for them anymore.<br /> <br /> <br /> [QUOTE BY= Dr Caleb]<br /> there's a pretty even split between denial and affirmation that Iran is planning to do just that.[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> No what there is, are papers reprinting the National Post agit-prop piece and other parts of the media 'fact-checking'...you want to think it's a debate, well it's a free country. You have at it because nothing anyone can post in the negative will convince you anyhow.<br /> <br /> <br /> [QUOTE BY= Dr Caleb]<br /> I see two Isreali papers (one owned by the Aspers) split on it[/QUOTE]<br /> I didn't mention Israel? So why would you want to bring them in on the discussion? <br /> <br /> But while we are on the subject, I did read this paper about this much more newsworthy <a href="http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/717611.html">event</a><br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> [QUOTE]Reminds me of the US blitzing the media in the 80's that Nicaragua was going to buy MiG fighters from Russia to attack the US, justifying the US backing of the Contras and arming Honduras with F-5 jets they couldn't afford to buy.<br /> [/QUOTE]<br /> This makes no sense at all??? <br /> You mean when US fed nothing but propaganda about Iraq having WMDs and then killed 100,000+ Iraqis and illegally occupied the country? <br /> Why would you got back to Reagan to find a disinformation campaign?<br /> <br /> Whatever, dude

[Dr Caleb]

[QUOTE BY= DrCaleb] Reminds me of the US blitzing the media in the 80's that Nicaragua was going to buy MiG fighters from Russia to attack the US, justifying the US backing of the Contras and arming Honduras with F-5 jets they couldn't afford to buy.<br /> [/QUOTE]<br /> [QUOTE BY= empson7]<br /> This makes no sense at all??? <br /> You mean when US fed nothing but propaganda about Iraq having WMDs and then killed 100,000+ Iraqis and illegally occupied the country? <br /> Why would you got back to Reagan to find a disinformation campaign?<br /> <br /> Whatever, dude [/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> That's another one. Why does it remind me of Nicaragua? The tone of the disinfo. Suddenly, out of the blue, Nicaragua was looking to attack the US. Suddenly, out of the blue, Iran is 'labelling' Jews and Christians. It's no different than US media labelling Chavez a 'left wing dictator' even though he was democratically elected, by a larger margin the last 'American Idol'.<br /> <br /> I wonder if canada.com is quoting the AP article, and if AP is quoting the National Post article. Behold! The self replicating propaganda piece! If the NP really made it up, it's a new low for joURINEalism.

[rearguard]

Some follow up stories on this topic ...<br /> <br /> This artcile printed in the Christian Science Monitor way back in 1998 suggests that the "badge" story is a fabrication.<br /> <a href="http://csmonitor.com/cgi-bin/durableRedirect.pl?/durable/1998/02/03/intl/intl.3.html">Jews in Iran Describe a Life of Freedom Despite Anti-Israel Actions by Tehran</a><br /> <br /> This article by the Daily KOS suggests that the origin of the false "badge" story comes from well known neocon sources, many of whom were associated with a similar campaign of lies targeting Iraq leading up to the invasion.<br /> <a href="http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/5/19/16425/0620">The Iranian "badge" story: Neo-con propaganda?</a><br /> <br /> What we are seeing is a repeat of the exact same kind of propaganda campiagn that led up to the neocon led invasion of Iraq. <br /> <br /> The fact that Harper obediently attacked Iran based on what should have been seen as an obvious false story, tells us that Harper is a neocon who does not have the best interests of Canadians in mind. If war breaks out against Iran, then Harper will try and send Canadian soldiers into the mess.<br /> <br />

[empson7]

[QUOTE BY= rearguard]<br /> The fact that Harper obediently attacked Iran based on what should have been seen as an obvious false story, tells us that Harper is a neocon who does not have the best interests of Canadians in mind. If war breaks out against Iran, then Harper will try and send Canadian soldiers into the mess.<br /> [/QUOTE]<br /> Right on...you got it.<br /> <br /> That is why I found the positions of the Opposition parties to be a little shocking regarding the Afghan mission--if the US attacks Iran, then our troops mission on the ground could be easily changed without any consultation as they are under American command. <br /> The troops could easily be switched over to the Iranian border region under the same fiction of protecting the Mayor of Kabul and his pipeline.<br /> <br /> Even more shocking if you think that there is more than enough public support for getting out altogether, so it not likely any party promoting this suffer greatly. Yet none of the parties are really interested in 'owning' the issue.<br /> <br /> [Quote by: DrCaleb]It's no different than US media labelling Chavez a 'left wing dictator' even though he was democratically elected, by a larger margin the last 'American Idol'.[/quote]<br /> <br /> Apologies...I thought you were trolling. <br /> Yeah the Mighty Wurlitzer is churned up anythime democracy breaks out...note lately that democratic quorum is even ignored in cases like Hamas, Aristide, Castro, 3 votes in Iraq, Chevaz, Iran, et. al. and MSM propaganda is immediately framed to question the democratic legitimacy, committments to human rights (even when there is no complaints) and any trade deals the corporations need signing.<br /> <br /> It's really hypocritical if you think about what the MSM would be saying if an 'Emerson' type of thing happened after a hotly contested Venezuela election? They wouldn't have any problem using the term 'election fraud' and they sure wouldn't accept Chevaz claiming 'he's the best man for the job'. <br /> BTW what Emerson did is illegal in most of these countries as well as most others...maybe Canada should pull out of Afghanistan simply for that reason; Canada is the last country to be exporting the western project. <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/twisted.gif' alt='Twisted Evil'>

[Dr Caleb]

[QUOTE BY= empson7]<br /> Apologies...I thought you were trolling. [/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> Oh no, I can troll far better than that. <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/smile.gif' alt='Smile'><br /> <br /> Welcome to Vive, BTW.<br />

[Jacob]

The United States is "capable" of wire tapping the phone lines of its people.<br /> <br /> That's not even a "capability" alone, but a "reality".<br /> <br /> Since when is it a crime to be "capable"?<br /> <br /> It is a crime to be "culpable".<br /> <br /> It's all in the semantics, my friends.<br />