[Perturbed]

[QUOTE BY= robert_fisher] <a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/10/02/60minutes/main576332.shtml">CBS Skull and Bones June 14, 2004</a> <br /> <br />Then again I just joined the elite sect they call "Double Double." <br /> <br />WATCH OUT!![/QUOTE] <br /> <br /> <br />Yeah, both Bush and Kerry refused to say anythign about Skull and Bones in TV interviews. Some democracy......but also remmeber this book is about many more things than the occult. <br /> <br />The number of influential people who say we "need a world government" and that "national governments can no longer solve our problems" will blow your mind.

[Dr Caleb]

Now, really. If you named your uber secret group "Skull and Bones" would you admit to it? <br /> <br />"Arrrrr matie! We're here fer yer wimen, yer gold and your rum . . ." <br /> <br />What's next? A group with it's leader called "Optimus Prime?" <br /> <br />

[Perturbed]

[QUOTE BY= Dr Caleb] Now, really. If you named your uber secret group "Skull and Bones" would you admit to it? <br /> <br />"Arrrrr matie! We're here fer yer wimen, yer gold and your rum . . ." <br /> <br />What's next? A group with it's leader called "Optimus Prime?" <br /> <br />[/QUOTE] <br /> <br /> <br />Not sure what Robert Fisher would say, but I personalyl don't think any one of these groups is ALL powerful--but they could certainly ahve SOME power. I mean, Skull and Bones is reportedly like a reunion for the CIA, business and U.S. poltics. <br /> <br />It is also said that they had a say in the creation of baseball and American 4-down football. Because they date back to the 1820s or 30s, this could be accurate, who knows. <br /> <br />I do know that McGill University of Montreal played a (basically rugby back then) game versus a U.S. college, but I forget if it was Yale or Harvard--Yale being the Skull and Bones paradise.

[robert_fisher]

Well, in the article, it does say they are sworn to secrecy! It's not the fact that this organization exists, it's the fact that one 'social' group has produced 5 presidents! That a secret group that does have a lot of 'important' people in it acts in such secrecy. That is not what America is 'supposed' to be about. <br /> <br />AS for Octimus Prime...The Skull and Bones has been around for a LONG TIME, before names started running short. Octimus Prime wasn't thought of until the toy companies realised that cartoon shows were the best way to sell toys to the kids of the 80's! I love how most of my favorite shows were based on toys, not toys based on shows, He-Man, GI Joe, Thundercats etc.. <br /> <br />I think it's a little naive, for all I've read here on Vive alone in the last few months, to not believe in a ruling class. Top 1%...it's not a lie...it's a fact...they control everything but our free will...and the internet, but they are working on both! <br /> <br />

[Perturbed]

[QUOTE BY= robert_fisher] Well, in the article, it does say they are sworn to secrecy! It's not the fact that this organization exists, it's the fact that one 'social' group has produced 5 presidents! That a secret group that does have a lot of 'important' people in it acts in such secrecy. That is not what America is 'supposed' to be about. <br /> <br />AS for Octimus Prime...The Skull and Bones has been around for a LONG TIME, before names started running short. Octimus Prime wasn't thought of until the toy companies realised that cartoon shows were the best way to sell toys to the kids of the 80's! I love how most of my favorite shows were based on toys, not toys based on shows, He-Man, GI Joe, Thundercats etc.. <br /> <br />I think it's a little naive, for all I've read here on Vive alone in the last few months, to not believe in a ruling class. Top 1%...it's not a lie...it's a fact...they control everything but our free will...and the internet, but they are working on both! <br /> <br />[/QUOTE] <br /> <br /> <br />I think 1% sounds about right, but most people in that 1% are probebly not anywhere near a decision-making process. 1% to be mathematical in Canada would be 30,000, which is probably high....I do think keeping the so-called "petty bourgeiose" helps distract away fmo those behind the scenes.

[robert_fisher]

Yes, good point, what I should have said was: <br /> <br />"The only INTERESTS represented are that of the 1%" <br /> <br />Also, yes 1% is the actual number! Not my numbers they have been taken from the film 'Orwell Rolls in His Grave.' A must see for film, freedom, and Orwell fans a like!

[robert_fisher]

<a href="http://www.glennbeck.com/news/05172002.shtml">Here's the proof you've been looking for!</a> <br /> <br /> <br /> <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/rolleyes.gif' alt='Rolling Eyes'>