[Yogi]

I think I have come up with the perfect solution to the death penalty debate. Of course not everyone is going to be appeased, but what the hell! I mean
there are those bleeding hearts who say that every life is worth preserving. At any cost! Then there are those on the other end of the spectrum who, at the slightest hint of wrong-doing start frothing at the mouth screaming & hooting "HANG 'EM HIGH"! Personally, I'm somewhere along the lines of " Let's give 'em a fair trial and a descent hangin".

Lately, there has been noises made about legalizing assisted suicide. On that front I am pro. Must be a hell of an internal conflict for one to be against the death penalty, yet claim to be 'pro' assisted suicide.

Well, let's roll it all into one. We should set a nice little room up in every prison called 'The Departure Lounge'. The 'prisoner' does a little video, witnessed and notarized by the lawyer of choice, then they go into that nice little room, which just happens to be outfitted with every conceivable method of ending ones life and it's "Sayonara cruel world"!

[fifeboy]

How would this work? Reinstate the death penalty but if someone is later found innocent then also hang the judge, prosecutor and jury. That should even out the playing field!

[Yogi]

fifeboy wrote:

How would this work? Reinstate the death penalty but if someone is later found innocent then also hang the judge, prosecutor and jury. That should even out the playing field!

Nope. No death penalty. That's the beauty of this idea. Just stick the offender in prison for life. Then maybe with a little incentive, like say some cash for their family members/charity of choice, with an equal amount to the victims/ family, said prisoner avails him/herself of the 'Departure Lounge'. Since it is the prisoners 'choice' to do so, no other is held liable.
Win,win!

[Brenda]

It is not all an internal conflict to be pro-assisted suicide and against the death penalty. It is also not an internal conflict to be pro-choice and against the death penalty. See, one has absolutely nothing to do with the other.

[Lemmy]

Yogi wrote:

Nope. No death penalty. That's the beauty of this idea. Just stick the offender in prison for life. Then maybe with a little incentive, like say some cash for their family members/charity of choice, with an equal amount to the victims/ family, said prisoner avails him/herself of the 'Departure Lounge'. Since it is the prisoners 'choice' to do so, no other is held liable.
Win,win!

Too bad we require genuine consent and don't allow duress in law. Maybe we could extend your idea to get confessions: just say you did it, take the cash for your mom and cousin Eddie.

[DrCaleb]

Yogi wrote:

Well, let's roll it all into one. We should set a nice little room up in every prison called 'The Departure Lounge'. The 'prisoner' does a little video, witnessed and notarized by the lawyer of choice, then they go into that nice little room, which just happens to be outfitted with every conceivable method of ending ones life and it's "Sayonara cruel world"!

I can't disagree with this. I kind of even like it. But I also like it not just for prisioners, but anyone who want such a service.

I'm not anti-death penalty, I'm just anti-innocent person death penalty. And pro-assisted suicide. But I don't like the idea of getting paid for it, even if the victims are paid as well.

If it's clearly a person's choice, I have no problem with it. It should be as clean and comfortable as we can make it.

[Yogi]

DrCaleb wrote:

Yogi wrote:

Well, let's roll it all into one. We should set a nice little room up in every prison called 'The Departure Lounge'. The 'prisoner' does a little video, witnessed and notarized by the lawyer of choice, then they go into that nice little room, which just happens to be outfitted with every conceivable method of ending ones life and it's "Sayonara cruel world"!

I can't disagree with this. I kind of even like it. But I also like it not just for prisioners, but anyone who want such a service.

I'm not anti-death penalty, I'm just anti-innocent person death penalty. And pro-assisted suicide. But I don't like the idea of getting paid for it, even if the victims are paid as well.

If it's clearly a person's choice, I have no problem with it. It should be as clean and comfortable as we can make it.

The idea of paying $$ is, regardless of the amount, ( but let's say we keep it under a mil), still quite a savings when you consider the savings over the course of a 'lifetime' of incarceration. Even at $125,000 per year.

[Yogi]

Lemmy wrote:

Yogi wrote:

Nope. No death penalty. That's the beauty of this idea. Just stick the offender in prison for life. Then maybe with a little incentive, like say some cash for their family members/charity of choice, with an equal amount to the victims/ family, said prisoner avails him/herself of the 'Departure Lounge'. Since it is the prisoners 'choice' to do so, no other is held liable.
Win,win!

Too bad we require genuine consent and don't allow duress in law. Maybe we could extend your idea to get confessions: just say you did it, take the cash for your mom and cousin Eddie.

Hey, now there's an idea! Maybe give 'em a little bonus for a confession. Provided that said confession can actually be verified.

[Brenda]

I imagine everyone who wants to kill themselves in prison, does.

[raydan]

Brenda wrote:

I imagine everyone who wants to kill themselves in prison, does.

You win the thread...

[DrCaleb]

Yogi wrote:

DrCaleb wrote:

Yogi wrote:

Well, let's roll it all into one. We should set a nice little room up in every prison called 'The Departure Lounge'. The 'prisoner' does a little video, witnessed and notarized by the lawyer of choice, then they go into that nice little room, which just happens to be outfitted with every conceivable method of ending ones life and it's "Sayonara cruel world"!

I can't disagree with this. I kind of even like it. But I also like it not just for prisioners, but anyone who want such a service.

I'm not anti-death penalty, I'm just anti-innocent person death penalty. And pro-assisted suicide. But I don't like the idea of getting paid for it, even if the victims are paid as well.

If it's clearly a person's choice, I have no problem with it. It should be as clean and comfortable as we can make it.

The idea of paying $$ is, regardless of the amount, ( but let's say we keep it under a mil), still quite a savings when you consider the savings over the course of a 'lifetime' of incarceration. Even at $125,000 per year.

I understand the intention, I just feel certain things are not 'businesses' and need to exist at whatever cost they require. If we are OK with our prisons being run on a for-profit model, then cost savings like that are fine. But I think prisons are meant as punishment first, and rehabilitation second. And we should fund them accordingly or change the justice system to accomodate how we feel that punishment and rehab need to be accomplished. If that's the Turkish 'feed them gruel on a dirt floor' approach, then so be it.

But their primary purpose is secondary to the cost, to me anyhow. If a prisoner feels that dying behind bars is beyond their abilty to cope, then a clean place to suicide to me fits the 'punishment' part.

[Yogi]

raydan wrote:

Brenda wrote:

I imagine everyone who wants to kill themselves in prison, does.

You win the thread...

NOPE! To both of you's! The means are actually very closely watched for and whenever possible, eliminated or kept out of reach.

[Brenda]

Yogi wrote:

raydan wrote:

Brenda wrote:

I imagine everyone who wants to kill themselves in prison, does.

You win the thread...

NOPE! To both of you's! The means are actually very closely watched for and whenever possible, eliminated or kept out of reach.

That's what is supposed to happen. Since people (even inmates) wear clothes, the ones who really want to, will.

[Gunnair]

Suicide booth.

[SprCForr]

Exactly what I was thinking!