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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 12:49 am
 


Christopher Booker's Notebook - Telegraph

synopsis: satellite data has shown that surface temperatures have been declining since 1998, and that the hottest year on record was 1934, not 1998.

Meanwhile, the 'strategies' for combating global warming are to use farm land for food, when food prices have increased significantly, and other nearly impossible goals.


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It is patently obvious that much of Britain's problems arise from it's surrender of sovereignty to a bunch of unelected tin-foil hatters in Brussels.

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It is patently obvious that much of Britain's problems arise from it's surrender of sovereignty to a bunch of unelected tin-foil hatters in Brussels.

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Agreed. Just saw an article about how the EU was allowing GMOs to be grown and the German Agricultural Minister was pleading them not to go through with this. WTF. Is the German government running its own country anymore? Because it seems the EU does all of the lawmaking now, no point for national legislatures anymore.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 5:58 pm
 


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synopsis: satellite data has shown that surface temperatures have been declining since 1998, and that the hottest year on record was 1934, not 1998.



Could you provide a source for this please?


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It has been reported from a variety of sources. Just Google it.
The first link on this page and Googles.




http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jh ... ook125.xml

Results 1 - 10 of about 12,600 for synopsis: satellite data has shown that surface temperatures have been declining since 1998, and that the hottest year on record was 1934, not 1998. . (0.36 seconds)

GREENIE WATCHFrom studying all the available data (not just ice cores), the probable sequence of .... In recent times, global temperature has been steady since 1998, ...
antigreen.blogspot.com/ - Similar pages

The Modern Temperature TrendGlobal temperature 1880-2006 (Annual surface temperature relative to the1951-1980 .... Apparently 1998 had been not just the warmest year of the century, ...
www.aip.org/history/climate/20ctrend.htm - 96k - Cached - Similar pages

Tom NelsonThis contrasts with the near surface temperature record that shows a ..... with the hottest year of all being not 1998, as was previously claimed, but 1934. ...
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AccuWeather.com: Global Warming News, Science, Myths, ArticlesDingell, who has been under protest by environmental activists for not .... In the end, 1934 officially became the hottest year in the U.S. instead of 1998. ...
global-warming.accuweather.com/2007/08/ - 232k - Cached - Similar pages

AccuWeather.com: Global Warming News, Science, Myths, ArticlesAnd I have never claimed that temperatures have not been rising for the last 100 years. .... Since satellite data only includes the past 30 years or so, ...
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Jim Ball's Webpage- Climate changenot only was 1998 not the hottest year ever, 1934 was, but instead of nine of the 10 .... the temperature has been static or slightly declining since 1998… ...
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Falsehoods in Gore's An Inconvenient TruthAny textbook making such a claim would not have been credible before 2004. ...... (1998) proxy data base and Northern Hemispheric average temperature series ...
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Fun with Global Warming - Part Drei!In the United States, the calendar year 1998 ranked as the hottest of them all ...... For more than 20 years, ESA has been providing satellite data to the ...
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The Global Warming PageThe "hottest year on record" is no longer 1998, but 1934. ..... Satellite readings have shown virtually no warming trend since 1979, while ground-based ...
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The Week That WasThe old data has been erased; by sheer chance, I had the old data active in my ... to the GISS, 1998 is no longer the warmest year in American history. ...
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Could you provide a source for this please?


I predict........

........leans head against the monitor for inspiration.

"All those sites are BIG OIL/EXXON funded right wing denial sites".....

Heresy.....I saw the movie....you are an ignorant, rightwing, uneducated poopyhead.


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dog77_1999 wrote:
sasquatch2 wrote:
It is patently obvious that much of Britain's problems arise from it's surrender of sovereignty to a bunch of unelected tin-foil hatters in Brussels.

KYOTO?

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Agreed. Just saw an article about how the EU was allowing GMOs to be grown and the German Agricultural Minister was pleading them not to go through with this. WTF. Is the German government running its own country anymore? Because it seems the EU does all of the lawmaking now, no point for national legislatures anymore.


And that is one of the reasons we left. Because Bruxelles has to approve close to everything a country wants. New rules are all Bruxelles rules.


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Every chance they get it seems Global TV news pushes the global hysteria emanating out of the backrooms of the UN and IPPC panel.

Why do they push such rubbish? My guess is they hope to undermine the Tories and get the same old socialists back in office.

Howard's stand on climate change was rooted in science and not theatre which probably contributed to his defeat. It did not help Australia was experiencing a drought. Influenced the two legged sheep down under. :evil:
Valuable ammo for the fraudsters and fear mongers.

Are the fear mongers really concerned about polar bears? Nope, not a bit.
If they were they would be hollering for the cessation of hunting.
For every one polar bear saved by wasting trillions of dollars 800 can be saved by stopping hunting.





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Global warming,must be why I'm handbombing 45 gallon drums of fuel off everything from skidoo's to single otters.
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Four barges frozen in the sea ice near the Nunavut community of Rankin Inlet — including one carry a million litres of fuel — will stay trapped for the winter.

The other three barges are freight barges. All four are operated by Northern Transportation Company Ltd., which provides sealift services to a number of northern communities.

"It was freight from Churchill bound for Rankin Inlet," NTCL spokeswoman Sunny Munroe told CBC News.

"There are two other barges that came back from Baker Lake. They came a few days after the barge from Rankin Inlet, but it had to turn back because of ice."

Munroe said the company is currently planning how it will move the Baker Lake-bound freight to the community, but she does not know how or when that will happen.

The fuel stored in one of the trapped barges will stay there until January, when it will be pumped out and transported to its intended destination, a mining exploration site.



The practice of storing fuel on barges and pumping it off in the winter is common, Munroe said, adding that the company will take precautions to prevent any accidents.

"We're going to be running a spill response training course at the beginning of January, just before we start pumping," she said.

"That way, we'll have trained people in the community in case anything happens. We're highly doubtful anything will happen."

Concerns were raised in Baker Lake last year, when five million litres of diesel fuel was stored on barges frozen nearby.
The fuel will be hauled by delta(tundra buggy) by PEL to Baker,10,000 liters at a time and a one day trip one way.Snowmobiles and khamoutaks will also be used,fuel trucks would be handy but with no roads that just aint happening.

That's the fuel we need to build this mine,it just doubled in price.
Bluenose was right,NTCL fucked up big time,their excuses dont even come close to explaining all the problems they had this season. The water did freeze earlier this year as it did last year,another 2 weeks of toilet paper shortage in Arviat was evidence of this.

Right about now I equate most GW alarmists with 9/11 whackjobs,they can thank the power of the media for that.The climate is changing and has been since this planet was formed.We need real info and not the biased agenda driven drivel the alarmists have been useing lately.





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Joe_Stalin wrote:
Every chance they get it seems Global TV news pushes the global hysteria emanating out of the backrooms of the UN and IPPC panel.

Why do they push such rubbish? My guess is they hope to undermine the Tories and get the same old socialists back in office.

Howard's stand on climate change was rooted in science and not theatre which probably contributed to his defeat. It did not help Australia was experiencing a drought. Influenced the two legged sheep down under. :evil:
Valuable ammo for the fraudsters and fear mongers.

Are the fear mongers really concerned about polar bears? Nope, not a bit.
If they were they would be hollering for the cessation of hunting.
For every one polar bear saved by wasting trillions of dollars 800 can be saved by stopping hunting.


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On-the-ground observations by land-savvy Inuit have long butted heads with scientists’ elaborate modelling calculus. Like dogs meeting for the first time, both sides warily sniff at each other, acknowledging but not necessarily accepting each other. “Some years we don’t see bears, but us native people aren’t afraid they’re dying,” says Boogie Pokiak in Tuktoyaktuk. “We just know that something happened in the food chain, or they’re concentrating somewhere else. If a scientist doesn’t see bears, they start fear-mongering.”


More from Boogie.
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With the Beaufort bears in Boogie Pokiak’s own backyard potentially heading for trouble, the Inuk guide remains stoic. “If things get bad for polar bears, we harvesters realize that sport hunting will be the first to go – no question,” he says. “But I’m a hunter; it’s my life. Every time I shoot a bear, there’s a sinking feeling in my heart. You feel the excitement of the hunt, and also sorry when you see them dead. But you know you need it for income, and the food is good. And you take comfort in that.”




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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 4:12 am
 


Zipperfish wrote:
tritium wrote:
synopsis: satellite data has shown that surface temperatures have been declining since 1998, and that the hottest year on record was 1934, not 1998.



Could you provide a source for this please?


As you know the '1934 not 1998' thing refers to US temperatures.

Declining global temperatures since 1998 is probably not the best way to put it, even though, as we've seen, if you only concentrate on the highs it's true. Nevertheless the possible significance of the flattening of global temperatures in the last decade is handled pretty good in an article that came out today at Icecap.

Global Temperatures are Uncorrelated with Carbon Dioxide Trends This Last Decade

They use the satellite data.

The argument against any significance to the last decade's flattening out of temperatures is as, again, you know, handled HERE at Gristmill.


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N_Fiddledog wrote:
Zipperfish wrote:
tritium wrote:
synopsis: satellite data has shown that surface temperatures have been declining since 1998, and that the hottest year on record was 1934, not 1998.



Could you provide a source for this please?


As you know the '1934 not 1998' thing refers to US temperatures.

Declining global temperatures since 1998 is probably not the best way to put it, even though, as we've seen, if you only concentrate on the highs it's true. Nevertheless the possible significance of the flattening of global temperatures in the last decade is handled pretty good in an article that came out today at Icecap.

Global Temperatures are Uncorrelated with Carbon Dioxide Trends This Last Decade

They use the satellite data.

The argument against any significance to the last decade's flattening out of temperatures is as, again, you know, handled HERE at Gristmill.


And N_Fiddledog gets the prize. It turns out that Joe Stalin and Stratos and Sasquatch and crew are full of what makes the grass grow green. In fact, neither 1998 nor 1934 is the hottest year on record. That distinction goes to 2005.

Please check your facts before posting.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 11:25 am
 


Just remember: Global Warming AND Global Cooling are both caused by humanity's CO2 emissions. No evidence can disprove the AGW hypothesis. :idea:

Unless we dismantle industrial civilization and submit ourselves to the wisdom of the same kind of people who brought you such successes as The Great Leap Forward and the fabulously successful Five Year Plans then we're all DOOMED!!!!


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Just remember: Global Warming AND Global Cooling are both caused by humanity's CO2 emissions. No evidence can disprove the AGW hypothesis. :idea:

Unless we dismantle industrial civilization and submit ourselves to the wisdom of the same kind of people who brought you such successes as The Great Leap Forward and the fabulously successful Five Year Plans then we're all DOOMED!!!!


The AGW hypothesis can't be conclusively proved or disproved, in practice or in theory.. However in can be demonstrated to be probabilistically unlikely. A few cool years (years where the global temerpature anomalies are below zero) would spell the end to it pretty fast. The theory predicts that anomalies wil continue to be positive, and will in fact, grow more positive over time. If this doesn't happen, the theory is toast. Even if it does happen, it would have to be clearly demonstarted that the warming was due to CO2 and not due to other factors such as increased solar irradiation, cosmic rays, etc.


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Zipperfish wrote:
BartSimpson wrote:
Just remember: Global Warming AND Global Cooling are both caused by humanity's CO2 emissions. No evidence can disprove the AGW hypothesis. :idea:

Unless we dismantle industrial civilization and submit ourselves to the wisdom of the same kind of people who brought you such successes as The Great Leap Forward and the fabulously successful Five Year Plans then we're all DOOMED!!!!


The AGW hypothesis can't be conclusively proved or disproved, in practice or in theory.. However in can be demonstrated to be probabilistically unlikely. A few cool years (years where the global temerpature anomalies are below zero) would spell the end to it pretty fast. The theory predicts that anomalies wil continue to be positive, and will in fact, grow more positive over time. If this doesn't happen, the theory is toast. Even if it does happen, it would have to be clearly demonstarted that the warming was due to CO2 and not due to other factors such as increased solar irradiation, cosmic rays, etc.


In recent years as the temps have not warmed as dramatically as we were promised they would ten years ago the proponents of the idea incorporated potential cooling as an effect of AGW.

Just myself, but I expect that if a new 'little ice age' were to come along the alarmists would predictably say that it was caused by AGW.


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