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PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 9:11 pm
 


any more updates? i'd love to see some pictures!

are you underpinning your existing rubble stone foundation wall? if so, how wide will each dig section be? will you use rebar to join the sections? do you have a chimney to deal with? how long did it take to dig out the soil? can you show pictures of your bucket lifting mechanism?

i'm asking all this because i am contemplating a similar job..

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 11:20 pm
 


1st post! Welcome to CKA. [B-o]

Since my foundation is mortared rock, and only ground level with no footings, I had to approach with a different yet definitely long term solid effect. I designed and used a 'piling &post' system.

I just pulled pail #1904 out tonite. Not as bad a job really as many have made it out to be. But then, perhaps I got 'lucky' with just solid clay and rock! :lol:

Kinda late now, but I'll post a few pics in the a.m. and some more info on progress.


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 8:19 am
 


my foundation wall is the same, stone with no cement footing. even still, i saw "net evidence" of under pinning with similar walls and see that 18" wide under pin may be possible. i'll look up the piling and post method you speak of to learn more. would be nice if you could snap a picture of that too :)

when you lower the floor did you have to put in new lolly columns on concrete footing? how did you support the beam while you removed the existing to pour new post footing?

this is a colossal project you've under taken. you deserve a BEvERage when it's all done! thanks for the share :)


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 9:10 am
 


knucklez wrote:
my foundation wall is the same, stone with no cement footing. even still, i saw "net evidence" of under pinning with similar walls and see that 18" wide under pin may be possible. i'll look up the piling and post method you speak of to learn more. would be nice if you could snap a picture of that too :)

when you lower the floor did you have to put in new lolly columns on concrete footing? how did you support the beam while you removed the existing to pour new post footing?

this is a colossal project you've under taken. you deserve a BEvERage when it's all done! thanks for the share :)



You won't find the method that I used simply because the foundation of our homes are not addressed anywhere that I could find either. The only advice I was able to get from the 'experts' was " you have no choice but to lift your house and then put a 'proper' foundation underneath". The "best" estimate I got for that was $60,000!

I will try to give/show you an explanation of how I have done my basement. My walls are up now and my new support pads are in, as well as is my center joist beam which will support the joists for my raised wood floor.

***This page is 'jumping around' as I type, and I can't see what I am typing so there likely will be a few 'typos'. I'll edit these later.*** As well, I will periodically start a 'new' reply.


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 7:28 pm
 


So, here's a bit of an update on progress. I'll try to keep the pics in order. The side which is in the very first post on page one is now almost ready for drainage system then raised wood floor. I figure about another 80 buckets. That will put me at over 1900 pails @ 60 lb each! Today, one of my BiL who just moved to the next town came over and helped me load pails. That was sure nice of him as I have done every other of the work by myself. Note the bottom of the old 8x8 wood post! :lol:
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These are the main tools required for the job. (012) Also, you will see the paddle mixer which I used with the drill to mix 1 bag of concrete at a time. I used the 3/4 hp barrel mixer ( it is in one or two of the other pics) when I poured the bearing beam. And of course the 440/880 winch. I started out with a 330/660 winch which I had fastened to the diningroom ceiling, but it couldn't handle any more than 6 pails and then it would shut down/cool down for 5 mins. :evil:
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 7:40 pm
 


You gots a sleigh hill :P


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 7:46 pm
 


Brenda wrote:
You gots a sleigh hill :P



:lol: My neighbor across the way has a loader and he comes by every few days and pulls the dirt back for me. I now have TWO tobbogan hills as well! A couple days ago I had a bit of fun with the quad. :lol:


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 8:41 pm
 


knucklez wrote:
my foundation wall is the same, stone with no cement footing. even still, i saw "net evidence" of under pinning with similar walls and see that 18" wide under pin may be possible. i'll look up the piling and post method you speak of to learn more. would be nice if you could snap a picture of that too :)

when you lower the floor did you have to put in new lolly columns on concrete footing? how did you support the beam while you removed the existing to pour new post footing?

this is a colossal project you've under taken. you deserve a BEvERage when it's all done! thanks for the share :)



I'll try to explain the method now that you have seen a few of the pics. I was going to go with all pressure treated lumber but that is a no-no for inside a dwelling. Instead, I bought a lift of 3/4 " construction grade ply and 8 gallons of Thompsons Deck Seal. It smells like the old paste wax for a while and then dissipates. I was quite liberal with it, particularly on cut ends. Contrary to the instructions.
AFTER I rebuilt the stone foundation-by removing every possible stone-one section at a time- then washed them off-primed them with an acrylic primer and then remortared them into place. I really had to make sure that I packed every crack and crevice. Every 'void' got stuffed with smaller rocks and packed in with mortar.
I then started cutting in the dirt walls. Corners first to establish a line. I dug down to the height I wanted-in this case 7'6". I stayed back from the foundation by 18" as I didn't feel comfortable getting too close! I then augered down 3'6" and left them overnight so that I could find the water table. My pilings were 6" below the water line so I poured in 1/3 bag of dry concrete mix, pounded in a couple 4 ft rebar to below the top of the piling and then pured in mixed wet concrete. Being sure to 'stick' the concrete really well in order to get all the iar out and have a solid piling. Then, while the concrete was wet I set in my 4x4 post ( which I had previously notched so that it would sit under, and support the joist above. I had also previously nailed galvanized post cleat on the bottom.) into the concrete and leveled/lined it and kept it in place by piling bigger rocks around it. Then I went on 'down the line' digging the dirt down and doing one post at a time. I also thought far enough ahead to dig back far enough in order to slide full sheets of plywood behind the posts! :lol: Prior to putting the plywood in place, I ran a 6 ml vapor barrier all the way around also using big rocks up on the ledge to hold it in place. To hold the plywood in place util I back-filled I pre-drilled the plywood at each post and where I had room, I hammered in a galvanized rooing nail. For the posts which I couldn't nail with a hammer, I used a big wood clamp and 'squeezed' the nail tight.
Before back-filling, I cut 12" 2x6 and nailed them onto the joist against the top of the notched 4x4. No way that is ever going to move! :lol:
After back-filling, I pulled the vapor barrier over the 'ledge' and I will then pour a 3" layer of concrete.
In order to pour pads (18x18x8) for the jack-posts, I bought a couple more jack-posts and set them on either side-about 2 ft away- of the post I wanted to remove. I used 8x10x4 ft timber to rest my temp supports on. I crancked then EVENLY, until the 'old post' was 'just barely loose. I left that sit like that overnight just to make sure that my temp support were going to work and not settling back down. I then dug down and poured the pad. I let the pad cure for 48 hrs before replacing the post. It helped the process along by taking apart one of the heating ducts and redirecting the heat to the fresh concrete.
For the bearing beam in the center floor I went 8"x8". I ran 4 strings of 1/2" rebar. I also put in a 2x4 'nail rail' (to spike the floor joists to) and using tie-wire, hung the upper strings of rebar off that.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 4:44 am
 


Give me a word that you will not ruin the house :wink:


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