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PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 7:31 am
 


Andy, you really are a fucking trolling idiot. That's your source? An opinion piece with no stats save for that two rapes were conducted by Afghans and the rest is speculation?

Fuck off already.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 7:41 am
 


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What blog would that be?

I rest my case.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 8:06 am
 


Regina wrote:
andyt wrote:
What blog would that be?

I rest my case.


Agenda shines through... again.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 9:36 am
 


Andy, I feel sorry for you. Your whole life seems to have passed you by.

You have few actual personal experiences so you comb the internet and other media sources for ‘stories’ and then hope to generate ‘debate’ by posting the usually baseless and unfounded media articles.

Then you argue with people who have actual experiences of the issues at question and refuse to see their input as more authoritative and realistic than the BS articles you quote.

You have never served but seem to think you are an expert on the military.
You have never been an immigrant but know all about it.
You weren’t at the G20 but know way better what happened than those of us who were there.
You have never been to Europe but know all about the EU and the former EEC. The list goes on.

There’s a pattern here that even those not trained in investigations can detect.

You are full of shit and most usually post vehemently positioned arguments on things you know fuck all about.

People, don’t bother ‘debating’ with andy on this and other subjects as it’s futile and a waste of your time.

andy truly is trolling in action.


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andyt wrote:

Still, how can the US forces be so radically different than Canadian ones in this regard, since in civilian life Canada seems to have 10 times as many rapes with 1/10th the population of the US, ie 100 times more per capita: http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_rap-crime-rapes


First of I would say that using real numbers (if such are to be found) Canadian and US numbers would be fairly close as the cultures are very similar.

Secondly the stats in the posted link are really impossible to believe.

Canada 491, Indonesia 0.7, Pakistan 0. ........... Need I say more?


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 9:16 am
 


andyt wrote:
Still, how can the US forces be so radically different than Canadian ones in this regard, since in civilian life Canada seems to have 10 times as many rapes with 1/10th the population of the US, ie 100 times more per capita: http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_rap-crime-rapes


Part of the reason why we have fewer civilian rapes than a lot of countries is because some of our women are more dangerous than the rapists.

http://doctorbulldog.wordpress.com/2010 ... eir-heads/

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Woman shoots home invaders, kills 1

TULSA, Okla. (UPI) — A woman shot two intruders breaking into her Tulsa, Okla., home killing one and critically wounding another, police officials say.

Thursday’s alleged home invasion — in which the woman shot Darreon Carter, 18, and Daniel Holman, 23 — was Tulsa’s second such incident in as many days, the Tulsa World reported Friday.

Police Capt. Travis Yates said the woman — whose name was not reported — was walking back to her Brighton Park apartment about 3:50 a.m. after going to a fast-food restaurant when Carter and Holman allegedly forced their way inside, demanding money.

The woman cooperated until one alleged intruder told her to undress, when she pulled a revolver from her purse and shot him, the newspaper said.

“We believe that this was totally an opportunity crime,” Yates said. “Somebody saw a woman walking up to an apartment, and they decided to commit a crime, and here we are.”

Carter and Holman — who were both shot in the head — were found by police in the apartment’s entryway and taken to St. Francis Hospital, where Carter died. Holman was in critical condition with bullet wounds to his head and stomach, the World reported.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 9:48 am
 


Bruce_E_T wrote:
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Still, how can the US forces be so radically different than Canadian ones in this regard, since in civilian life Canada seems to have 10 times as many rapes with 1/10th the population of the US, ie 100 times more per capita: http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_rap-crime-rapes


First of I would say that using real numbers (if such are to be found) Canadian and US numbers would be fairly close as the cultures are very similar.

Secondly the stats in the posted link are really impossible to believe.

Canada 491, Indonesia 0.7, Pakistan 0. ........... Need I say more?


Good point. They came from here: "Rapes by country", European Institute for Crime Prevention and Control International Statistics on Crime and Justice, 2011. But I wonder if they are a misprint.

So I went to wiki, which said Canada indeed had 491 rapes in 2009, (1.5/100,000) but the US had 89000 (28.6/100,000). If those numbers are correct, then you can easily see why there would be so much less rape in the CF as well.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 5:12 pm
 


BeaverFever wrote:
Interesting from Bart's comments is that he talks about soliders as if they are nothing more than sociopathic misfits hard-wired to comit these crimes, which makes me wonder how he can celebrate any soldier or consider them heroes?


Without having served in the US forces it's hard for an outsider to appreciate those intangible things that come together for seamless unit cohesion and for individual initiative in combat.

The Stephen Ambrose book, Band of Brothers, and then his other works such as D-Day and Citizen Soldiers give light to the intangible and often mercurial qualities of unit cohesion. If you have not read these books then I highly recommend them to you.

As to the individual initiative this is something that tends to show up a little in training but it really comes out in combat.

And the fact of the matter is that the men who make the best combat soldiers are the ones who abandon themselves to it, immerse themselves in it, and who think of nothing more than how to get through the next day alive.

Paradoxically, those men are so inurred to so many conventions of civilization that they are as prone to misbehavior as is a pit bull fighting dog.

The annals of military lore are rife with misfits, drunkards, thieves, murderers, fools, and etc. who have distinguished themselves in battle and acquitted themselves with valorous contempt for their own safety.

The military ideally works hard to extinguish conscience and civilization in the combat soldier and the politically correct nonsense of then asking that same soldier to attend to cultural sensitivities and to women who do not belong in their company is asking too much.

The net result is that in a few short years the military will feminize in order to accomadate a social engineering mission and it will necessarily become more focused on technology as the front line units become less and less composed of the personality types that excel in combat specialities. Seriously, the military is moving towards a culture that eschews the warrior ethos and at the point that the new paradigm reigns then the US military will be reduced to a mere jobs program that literally won't have the 'nads to fight a war.

I listen to people whine and gnash their teeth (rhetorically) over the loss of 4,000 troops in Iraq and Afghanistan and I see in this the fact that the USA would not have the gall to fight another major war where losing 4,000 troops in a day, let alone a decade, would be conceivable.

Some folks on this site bitch and moan that the USA was slow to get into the two World Wars in Europe and I can assure you that if the UK and France ever again needed millions of Americans then they'd be lucky to see hundreds. If even that many. This country has lost its nerve and our society is projecting that loss of nerve onto the military.

In short, you folks had better develop your own warriors because one fine day in the century ahead I expect we won't have any.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 5:44 pm
 


BartSimpson wrote:
BeaverFever wrote:
Interesting from Bart's comments is that he talks about soliders as if they are nothing more than sociopathic misfits hard-wired to comit these crimes, which makes me wonder how he can celebrate any soldier or consider them heroes?


Without having served in the US forces it's hard for an outsider to appreciate those intangible things that come together for seamless unit cohesion and for individual initiative in combat.


Without having served in the Canadian Forces, it's hard for an outsider to appreciate those intangible things that come together for seamless unit cohesion and for individual initiative in combat.


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