[BartSimpson]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

climate is constantly changing.....this is a fact that can`t be denied. The Warmists are the problem because they seem to only focus on one aspect and not places where it`s actually getting colder, wetter and drier.

How it is changing, what is driving the change and at what rate are the questions we have no concrete answers for. It has changed-varied several times in human history with major consequences for human civilization.....we adapt and move on

'wetter or drier.' is what I think you mean?

[DrCaleb]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

climate is constantly changing.....this is a fact that can`t be denied. The Warmists are the problem because they seem to only focus on one aspect and not places where it`s actually getting colder, wetter and drier.

How it is changing, what is driving the change and at what rate are the questions we have no concrete answers for. It has changed-varied several times in human history with major consequences for human civilization.....we adapt and move on

'wetter or drier.' is what I think you mean?

Actually, no. There are places in southern asia that are experiencing record droughts, followed by torrential downpours that flood everything because it comes too fast to sink in to the ground.

[BartSimpson]

Ah.

More or less that's what Las Vegas and most of the American Great Basin is like.

[DrCaleb]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Ah.

More or less that's what Las Vegas and most of the American Great Basin is like.

Eggzactly. But it's happening in wider areas, like Australia where they had their hottest year ever recorded last year, record floods and wildfires as well.

[BartSimpson]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Eggzactly. But it's happening in wider areas, like Australia where they had their hottest year ever recorded last year, record floods and wildfires as well.

It may have been their hottest year in recorded history but it is not their hottest year ever.

[N_Fiddledog]

And last month there were snow storms in the Middle East.

In the last few winters there have been sessions of record setting cold in different parts of the world.

With weather, shit happens.

A hurricane (typhoon actually) hit Vancouver and Seattle in the sixties. There's been nothing like it since. This was BG - Before Gore.

[BartSimpson]

Everything is and was caused by global warming. Everything! The science is in, the debate is over!

[ShepherdsDog]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Eggzactly. But it's happening in wider areas, like Australia where they had their hottest year ever recorded last year, record floods and wildfires as well.

It may have been their hottest year in recorded history but it is not their hottest year ever.

and exactly how long have they been keeping accurate weather records in Oz?

[BartSimpson]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Eggzactly. But it's happening in wider areas, like Australia where they had their hottest year ever recorded last year, record floods and wildfires as well.

It may have been their hottest year in recorded history but it is not their hottest year ever.

and exactly how long have they been keeping accurate weather records in Oz?

Since 1957 when they installed monitoring stations in the Outback as part of the International Geophysical Year. Prior to that 80+% of Australia had no monitoring stations to speak of.

[PluggyRug]

From another forum...

$1:

Global warming isn't up for debate. It is here and killing our polar bears, causing massive hurricanes, causing record cold and snow... it even made the polar ice cap increase by 1,000,000 square miles in one year (2012/2013). If anybody questions it, I want their children taken away by the federal government so they can be re-programmed to believe in manmade global warming-- the greatest threat to civilization there has been since that big meteor killed all the dinosaurs.

[Freakinoldguy]

PluggyRug PluggyRug:

From another forum...

$1:

Global warming isn't up for debate. It is here and killing our polar bears, causing massive hurricanes, causing record cold and snow... it even made the polar ice cap increase by 1,000,000 square miles in one year (2012/2013). If anybody questions it, I want their children taken away by the federal government so they can be re-programmed to believe in manmade global warming-- the greatest threat to civilization there has been since that big meteor killed all the dinosaurs.

Did you hack David Suzuki's IPad.

[jj2424]

bootlegga bootlegga:

$1:

Temperature rises resulting from unchecked climate change will be at the severe end of those projected, according to a new scientific study.

The scientist leading the research said that unless emissions of greenhouse gases were cut, the planet would heat up by a minimum of 4C by 2100, twice the level the world's governments deem dangerous.

The research indicates that fewer clouds form as the planet warms, meaning less sunlight is reflected back into space, driving temperatures up further still. The way clouds affect global warming has been the biggest mystery surrounding future climate change.

Professor Steven Sherwood, at the University of New South Wales, in Australia, who led the new work, said: "This study breaks new ground twice: first by identifying what is controlling the cloud changes and second by strongly discounting the lowest estimates of future global warming in favour of the higher and more damaging estimates."

"4C would likely be catastrophic rather than simply dangerous," Sherwood told the Guardian. "For example, it would make life difficult, if not impossible, in much of the tropics, and would guarantee the eventual melting of the Greenland ice sheet and some of the Antarctic ice sheet", with sea levels rising by many metres as a result.

The research is a "big advance" that halves the uncertainty about how much warming is caused by rises in carbon emissions, according to scientists commenting on the study, published in the journal Nature. Hideo Shiogama and Tomoo Ogura, at Japan's National Institute for Environmental Studies, said the explanation of how fewer clouds form as the world warms was "convincing", and agreed this indicated future climate would be greater than expected. But they said more challenges lay ahead to narrow down further the projections of future temperatures.

Scientists measure the sensitivity of the Earth's climate to greenhouse gases by estimating the temperature rise that would be caused by a doubling of CO2 in the atmosphere compared with pre-industrial levels – as is likely to happen within 50 years, on current trends. For two decades, those estimates have run from 1.5C to 5C, a wide range; the new research narrowed that range to between 3C and 5C, by closely examining the biggest cause of uncertainty: clouds.

The key was to ensure that the way clouds form in the real world was accurately represented in computer climate models, which are the only tool researchers have to predict future temperatures. When water evaporates from the oceans, the vapour can rise over nine miles to form rain clouds that reflect sunlight; or it may rise just a few miles and drift back down without forming clouds. In reality, both processes occur, and climate models encompassing this complexity predicted significantly higher future temperatures than those only including the nine-mile-high clouds.

"Climate sceptics like to criticise climate models for getting things wrong, and we are the first to admit they are not perfect," said Sherwood. "But what we are finding is that the mistakes are being made by the models which predict less warming, not those that predict more."

He added: "Sceptics may also point to the 'hiatus' of temperatures since the end of the 20th century, but there is increasing evidence that this inaptly named hiatus is not seen in other measures of the climate system, and is almost certainly temporary."

Global average air temperatures have increased relatively slowly since a high point in 1998 caused by the ocean phenomenon El Niño, but observations show that heat is continuing to be trapped in increasing amounts by greenhouse gases, with over 90% disappearing into the oceans. Furthermore, a study in November suggested the "pause" may be largely an illusion resulting from the lack of temperature readings from polar regions, where warming is greatest.

Sherwood accepts his team's work on the role of clouds cannot definitively rule out that future temperature rises will lie at the lower end of projections. "But," he said, for that to be the case, "one would need to invoke some new dimension to the problem involving a major missing ingredient for which we currently have no evidence. Such a thing is not out of the question but requires a lot of faith."

He added: "Rises in global average temperatures of [at least 4C by 2100] will have profound impacts on the world and the economies of many countries if we don't urgently start to curb our emissions."

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/ ... 00-climate

Friday must be the day of worship at the "Church of Global Warming".

Boots must get down on his knees and spit love beads to Saint Suzuki.

[herbie]

Well it's -6 out there tonight here too, and the problem is that for the first decade I lived here and the hundred years before that ir was between -20 and -45 out there this time of year. For the last 15 years the cold spells have got shorter an further between, enough so the fucking BUGS ATE ALL THE WOOD - and that was 7 years back.
There's also a lot of whining on this very forum about protecting our Arctic sovereignty which would matter if it was still frozen solid as a rock now would it?
So much as some of would like to deny any change because it snowed today or it hasn't got any warmer in Texas, something's happening out there and lots of us can see it right out the window and feel it in our wallets.

[llama66]

I wish it would warm the hell up already. Getting tired of the snow and cold.

[Freakinoldguy]

And on a happier note:

$1:

IPCC silently slashes its global warming predictions in the AR5 final draft

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/01/01/i ... nal-draft/

The reality is that nobody knows WTF is gonna happen and everyone's just trying to keep their research money flowing.