[Canadaka]

.. is france even in the top 10, no.
The socialist countries in the index are mostly Scandinavian countries.

I think the point the first post is trying to make is that modern democratic socialist countires are doing better in many ways than modern democratic capitalist countires.

This is not about the failed soviet era socialism.
All the Scandinavian countires also have a capitalist balance, unlike the purely socialist countries, most of which have failed.

[Knoss]

What is standatd of living? What role dose freedom play in standard of living? Why does a country need the highest standard of living?

[Canadaka]

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What is standatd of living?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_of_living

[Knoss]

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I think the point the first post is trying to make is that modern democratic socialist countires are doing better in many ways than modern democratic capitalist countires.

Perhaps although Sweden is doing some pretty stupid things like getting rid of fossil fuels when Norway has plenty. I don't think that will work very long.

[tritium]

Canadaka Canadaka:

"The United States has one of the widest rich-poor gap of any high-income nation today." Canada is heading down this road as well.

"American energy giant, Enron, and telecommunications company, WorldCom, committed massive corporate fraud and illegal acts. Declaring bankruptcy in December 2001, they left thousands of American workers jobless and without pensions."



"Exxon Mobil Corp. posted record profits for any U.S. company on Monday — $10.71 billion for the fourth quarter and $36.13 billion for the year.."



There is capitalism for ya!!

Who really owns America?

[Motorcycleboy]

Arctic_Menace Arctic_Menace:

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Their cities are now over run with violent Muslim thugs who consider gang raping non-muslim women a sport,

Do you have proof of this by any chance?

Of course I do Arctic. When do I ever disappoint?

Here you go.


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/05/ ... 7270.shtml

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They rule gangland style, combined with the male-dominated traditions of the Arab countries they came from. It's gotten so bad that, today, most of the young women only feel safe if they are covered up, or if they stay at home. Girls who want to look just like other French girls are considered provocative, asking for trouble.

Samira Bellil wasn't asking for trouble, but trouble came to her. She's the granddaughter of Algerian immigrants and she's written a book about surviving the hell of the Paris ghettos.

"I was gang raped by three people I knew, and I couldn't say anything, because in my culture, your family is dishonored if you lose your virginity,” says Bellil. “So I kept quiet, and the rapes continued. The next time, I was pulled off a commuter train and no one lifted a finger to help me. …Everybody turned their head away. They were all looking out the window.”

When Bellil's family discovered that she had been raped, they weren't sympathetic. They threw her out onto the streets. But she's since discovered that what happened to her was not the only case.

“There was a trial in Lille where a 13-year-old girl was gang raped by 80 men. Sometimes, it’s 80, or 50 or 10. It’s absolutely terrible,” says Bellil. “In the case of Argenteuil, it was horrible. A young woman was raped in a school. Of course, everybody knew, but they're so afraid of these young men that they prefer to close their eyes. That's the price of peace in the ghettos.”

Here's another;

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The movement fights against violence targeting women and it focuses on these areas:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ni_Putes_Ni_Soumises

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Gang-rapes
Pressure to wear the Hijab
Pressure to drop out of school
Pressure to marry early without being able to choose the husband.
NPNS was set up by a group of young French Muslim women, in response to the violence being directed at them in the suburbs (banlieues) and housing projects (cités) of cities such as Paris, Lyon and Toulouse, where rape and violence towards women are all too common.

Here's one from the Left-Wing UK Guardian.

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Gang rape on rise among French youth


Jon Henley in Paris
Thursday May 3, 2001
The Guardian


In the second such case tried in France in as many weeks, seven men appeared in a Versailles court yesterday accused of repeatedly gang-raping a 15-year-old girl over a period of eight weeks five years ago.
Amid growing public concern, lawyers and social workers have called for an urgent judicial crackdown on a phenomenon said to represent 10-20% of all serious cases in French juvenile courts.

Here's another from Jan Albrechtson, an Australian journalist comparable to Margaret Wente or Heather Malik here in Canada;


http://www.hvk.org/articles/0702/140.html

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Janet Albrechtsen: Blind spot allows barbarism to flourish
Author:
Publication: The Australian
Date: July 17, 2002
The French call it tournantes or "take your turn" - the French term for the pack-rape of white girls by young Muslim men

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For 20 years the French ignored the ethnic causes of these barbaric crimes for fear of offending multicultural man. Along the way, more innocent young girls were pack-raped. Xenophobia divided communities. And finally, voters punished a Centre-Left government for assuming that the electorate was not grown up enough to discuss race without being racist.

Last year Sylvie Lotteau, a magistrate from Bobigny, a northern Paris suburb, described tournantes: "Their technique was to pick up a young girl - a white girl - and once she had become the girlfriend of one of the members, he would allow his mates to make use of her."

Now it's in Australia. Last week two Muslim brothers were found guilty of the gang-rape of a young Australian girl. The victim knew one of the brothers. She was invited for a drive but taken to a secluded park and gang-raped while 14 Muslim boys watched.

Here's some more.

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EPINAY-SUR-SEINE, France — On a routine call, three unwitting police officers fell into a trap. A car darted out to block their path, and dozens of hooded youths surged out of the darkness to attack them with stones, bats and tear gas before fleeing. One officer was hospitalized.

The recent ambush was emblematic of what some officers say has become a near-perpetual and increasingly violent conflict between police and gangs in tough, largely immigrant French neighborhoods that were the scene of a three-week paroxysm of rioting last year.

Oh, here's another,

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2006 ... htm?csp=34

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CLICHY-SOUS-BOIS, France (AP) — French officials pledged to deploy hundreds of extra police on buses and streets in restive Parisian suburbs on Friday, the first anniversary of rioting that raged through heavily immigrant housing projects on the outskirts of cities nationwide.
The interior minister promised to put officers on buses serving some Paris suburbs after rampaging youths, some toting pistols, burned three buses after forcing off the passengers.

The rioting, which hit projects primarily populated by people of Arab and black African descent living outside France's big cities, was fueled largely by anger over entrenched discrimination against immigrants and their French-born children, many of them Muslims from former French colonies in Africa. Despite an influx of funds and promises since then, disenchantment still is rife in those communities.

About 10 attackers — five armed with handguns — stormed a bus in Montreuil, east of Paris, early Thursday and forced the passengers off, the RATP transport authority said. They then drove off and set the bus on fire. The bus driver was treated for shock, the RATP said.

Now, do I need to remind you of the Paris riots of 2005? Or are you going to tell me those were orchestrated by Mennonite "youths?"

[Motorcycleboy]

Canadaka Canadaka:

.. is france even in the top 10, no.
The socialist countries in the index are mostly Scandinavian countries.

I think the point the first post is trying to make is that modern democratic socialist countires are doing better in many ways than modern democratic capitalist countires.

This is not about the failed soviet era socialism.
All the Scandinavian countires also have a capitalist balance, unlike the purely socialist countries, most of which have failed.

France is part of the G8. None of the Scandinavian countries are though. I don't think a few insignificant northern burgs can be compared to major G-8 economies. It's apples and oranges.

And Canada/US have much better economic numbers than France.

[Motorcycleboy]

tritium tritium:

Canadaka Canadaka:

"The United States has one of the widest rich-poor gap of any high-income nation today." Canada is heading down this road as well.

"American energy giant, Enron, and telecommunications company, WorldCom, committed massive corporate fraud and illegal acts. Declaring bankruptcy in December 2001, they left thousands of American workers jobless and without pensions."



"Exxon Mobil Corp. posted record profits for any U.S. company on Monday — $10.71 billion for the fourth quarter and $36.13 billion for the year.."



There is capitalism for ya!!

Who really owns America?

Oh really?

Ever hear of Canada's Briex scandal? That cost an awful lot of people up here their savings too.

And the guys who were behind Enron were also prosecuted by the US government and went to jail for lengthy terms. Much longer than they would have got in Canada. I'd say that's a system of checks and balances that worked just fine.

Hey, but apart from Canada, compare that to Socialism. How do you think private investors fared in Eastern Europe when the communists nationalized those economies?

[ridenrain]

Knoss Knoss:

What is standatd of living? What role dose freedom play in standard of living? Why does a country need the highest standard of living?

I would agree. "Highest standard of living" is to subjective and dependant a term, and only measures a very small slice of a countries worth.

.. but then you commies need to be happy about something, I guess.

[Mr_Canada old]

tritium tritium:

[cheer]

"American energy giant, Enron, and telecommunications company, WorldCom, committed massive corporate fraud and illegal acts. Declaring bankruptcy in December 2001, they left thousands of American workers jobless and without pensions."

"Exxon Mobil Corp. posted record profits for any U.S. company on Monday — $10.71 billion for the fourth quarter and $36.13 billion for the year.."

There is capitalism for ya!!

Who really owns America?

I thought you liked American Capitalism? But also liked Canadian Mixed Economy-ism?

Mixed Economy-ism? Ew, we need a new name...

...

How about...

Since Social-ism, Commun-ism and Capital-sim's base words all refer to a word, the Left wing ones refering to Society and speech (Social-ize, Commun-icate) and the right wing referring to profit... (Capital=Money), And ours is centred in between these..

...

Hmm...

How about "Mesialism"? Mesial means "toward the middle".

I'm bored.

[Scrappy]

camerontech camerontech:

higher average standard of living does not necessarily equal superior. not to me anyways, I would prefer living in a US capitalist system than a European socialist one any day

Amen, a life time of welfare doesn't appeal to me nor does the thought of being controled by my government. Hail us Capitalist Pigs.

They predicted there would be riots, if they burn down their communities let them live in cardboard boxes but don't pay a red cent to rebuild. If these thugs want to act like violent scum let them suffer the consequences. Stop the moddy coddling of these little dick heads.

[tritium]

Mr_Canada Mr_Canada:

I thought you liked American Capitalism? But also liked Canadian Mixed Economy-ism?

No. I like the way the United States is. No need to fix it. They have the population base and economy to support capitalism.

As far as Canada goes, with a population of 1/10 of the United States and a huge resource base, Canada was much better off as it was 20 years ago, more socialist and some capitalist, protectionism, strong manufacturing base and middle case.

Canada is getting further away from it's socialist past and it's just trying to mirror the United States to a point where there will be no real difference. 51'st state and an open doorway to the NAU.

Canada's greatness is in it's compassion and caring nature towards all people from around the world. That's why Candians are so well like worldwide and U.S. Citizens pose as Canadians.

That "true" Canadian principal has been eroded by red neck trailer trash conservative types that have little brains and lots of mouth. They are to busy molesting their guns and playing Nintendo to grasp true political issues.

If you disagree with the above statement:

You have been brainwashed by Fox News! Next thing you know you’ll be shopping at WalMart!

[camerontech]

How come people keep telling me I'm brainwashed by Fox News when I've never seen it. In fact, unless you have satellite the majority of Canadians can't even get it on TV.

That is the worst line I've ever heard and I'm sick of hearing it.

[hwacker]

tritium tritium:

Mr_Canada Mr_Canada:

I thought you liked American Capitalism? But also liked Canadian Mixed Economy-ism?

No. I like the way the United States is. No need to fix it. They have the population base and economy to support capitalism.

As far as Canada goes, with a population of 1/10 of the United States and a huge resource base, Canada was much better off as it was 20 years ago, more socialist and some capitalist, protectionism, strong manufacturing base and middle case.

Canada is getting further away from it's socialist past and it's just trying to mirror the United States to a point where there will be no real difference. 51'st state and an open doorway to the NAU.

Canada's greatness is in it's compassion and caring nature towards all people from around the world. That's why Candians are so well like worldwide and U.S. Citizens pose as Canadians.

That "true" Canadian principal has been eroded by red neck trailer trash conservative types that have little brains and lots of mouth. They are to busy molesting their guns and playing Nintendo to grasp true political issues.

If you disagree with the above statement:

You have been brainwashed by Fox News! Next thing you know you’ll be shopping at WalMart!

FNC is the best news source on cable.

If you disagree with the above statement:

You’re a trained seal.

[tritium]

hwacker hwacker:

tritium tritium:

Mr_Canada Mr_Canada:

I thought you liked American Capitalism? But also liked Canadian Mixed Economy-ism?

No. I like the way the United States is. No need to fix it. They have the population base and economy to support capitalism.

As far as Canada goes, with a population of 1/10 of the United States and a huge resource base, Canada was much better off as it was 20 years ago, more socialist and some capitalist, protectionism, strong manufacturing base and middle case.

Canada is getting further away from it's socialist past and it's just trying to mirror the United States to a point where there will be no real difference. 51'st state and an open doorway to the NAU.

Canada's greatness is in it's compassion and caring nature towards all people from around the world. That's why Candians are so well like worldwide and U.S. Citizens pose as Canadians.

That "true" Canadian principal has been eroded by red neck trailer trash conservative types that have little brains and lots of mouth. They are to busy molesting their guns and playing Nintendo to grasp true political issues.

If you disagree with the above statement:

You have been brainwashed by Fox News! Next thing you know you’ll be shopping at WalMart!

FNC is the best news source on cable.

If you disagree with the above statement:

You’re a trained seal.

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