[andyt]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada- ... -1.3257892

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But it does sound an awful lot like the Barack-Obama-is-a-Muslim-who-hates-Israel stuff I heard so much when I covered American campaigns.

[DrCaleb]

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Just last week, we were reminded by the immigration minister, standing beside the minister responsible for the status of women, that Canada now has something called the Zero Tolerance for Barbaric Cultural Practices Act, and that if re-elected, the government would establish an RCMP task force, and a "tip line" for Canadians who wish to call the Mounties to denounce someone, a neighbour, it was suggested, for engaging in a barbaric cultural practice.

It's called 9-1-1 and it's been around for a long time.

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Just out of curiosity, I called the RCMP's media relations department to ask about this new task force and what sort of barbaric cultural practices would merit a call to the Mounties.

The officer who answered said that if, say, an honour killing is taking place next door, it'd be best to dial 911 and tell the local police.

Aren't there other election issues? So what if two women can't take the oath of citizenship? If Harper gives a shit about abused women, where's all the money for women's shelters?

What about the promise to end child poverty by 2000? What about all the natives who don't have clean drinking water?

78 days of 'Muslims! Muslims! Muslims!'. Like it's the most important thing affecting us today. Zzzzzzzz.

[OnTheIce]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

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Just last week, we were reminded by the immigration minister, standing beside the minister responsible for the status of women, that Canada now has something called the Zero Tolerance for Barbaric Cultural Practices Act, and that if re-elected, the government would establish an RCMP task force, and a "tip line" for Canadians who wish to call the Mounties to denounce someone, a neighbour, it was suggested, for engaging in a barbaric cultural practice.

It's called 9-1-1 and it's been around for a long time.

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Just out of curiosity, I called the RCMP's media relations department to ask about this new task force and what sort of barbaric cultural practices would merit a call to the Mounties.

The officer who answered said that if, say, an honour killing is taking place next door, it'd be best to dial 911 and tell the local police.

Aren't there other election issues? So what if two women can't take the oath of citizenship? If Harper gives a shit about abused women, where's all the money for women's shelters?

What about the promise to end child poverty by 2000? What about all the natives who don't have clean drinking water?

78 days of 'Muslims! Muslims! Muslims!'. Like it's the most important thing affecting us today. Zzzzzzzz.

It's an important issue to Canadians, that's why it's being talked about.

[andyt]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

What about the promise to end child poverty by 2000?

Well, that would have been a Lieberal promise. I'm sure Harper is in favor of a certain amount of child poverty, poverty in general. It motivates the rest of us, and anyway, those people deserve it because they're just lazy. Especially the children. Plus, that's what charity is for, so can appreciate their betters, don't come to see the handouts as rights.

[DrCaleb]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

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Just last week, we were reminded by the immigration minister, standing beside the minister responsible for the status of women, that Canada now has something called the Zero Tolerance for Barbaric Cultural Practices Act, and that if re-elected, the government would establish an RCMP task force, and a "tip line" for Canadians who wish to call the Mounties to denounce someone, a neighbour, it was suggested, for engaging in a barbaric cultural practice.

It's called 9-1-1 and it's been around for a long time.

$1:

Just out of curiosity, I called the RCMP's media relations department to ask about this new task force and what sort of barbaric cultural practices would merit a call to the Mounties.

The officer who answered said that if, say, an honour killing is taking place next door, it'd be best to dial 911 and tell the local police.

Aren't there other election issues? So what if two women can't take the oath of citizenship? If Harper gives a shit about abused women, where's all the money for women's shelters?

What about the promise to end child poverty by 2000? What about all the natives who don't have clean drinking water?

78 days of 'Muslims! Muslims! Muslims!'. Like it's the most important thing affecting us today. Zzzzzzzz.

It's an important issue to Canadians, that's why it's being talked about.

It's an important distraction to the media, I think you mean. If the clothing worn by 2 women really is an important election issue to Canadians, then we are pretty fucked.

[desertdude]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

78 days of 'Muslims! Muslims! Muslims!'. Like it's the most important thing affecting us today. Zzzzzzzz.

To some it clearly is, as is evident from these forums and plus they need a bogeyman to scare people into voting for them. Must be desperate hence appealing to the fringe. Also shatters the myth that your politicians will bend over to appease a certain minority and will never say anything against them.

[OnTheIce]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

It's an important distraction to the media, I think you mean. If the clothing worn by 2 women really is an important election issue to Canadians, then we are pretty fucked.

No, It's an important issue to Canadians. 80+% of Canadians.

This isn't about two women, it's about general Canadian values that seem to bend for any reason.

Canadians, in overwhelming numbers, support this measure by Harper.

[andyt]

desertdude desertdude:

Also shatters the myth that your politicians will bend over to appease a certain minority and will never say anything against them.

No it doesn't. It's a precise calculus, where are the votes. Small groups are more motivated and make more noise, but if the majority can get amped up about something, fuck the small groups.

[Lemmy]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

No, It's an important issue to Canadians. 80+% of Canadians.

This isn't about two women, it's about general Canadian values that seem to bend for any reason.

Canadians, in overwhelming numbers, support this measure by Harper.

So what? We live in a society founded on the principle that individual rights, not group-think, rule. If 99.99% agree with something that violates the rights of 0.01% of the population, the majority can jam it. Majority rule disappeared in 1982 and it disappeared for the better. The tyranny of the majority is over.

[DrCaleb]

Lemmy Lemmy:

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

No, It's an important issue to Canadians. 80+% of Canadians.

This isn't about two women, it's about general Canadian values that seem to bend for any reason.

Canadians, in overwhelming numbers, support this measure by Harper.

So what? We live in a society founded on the principle that individual rights, not group-think, rule. If 99.99% agree with something that violates the rights of 0.01% of the population, the majority can jam it. Majority rule disappeared in 1982 and it disappeared for the better. The tyranny of the majority is over.

^^ That!

And I cannot believe that 80% of Canadians said at the beginning of the election call "Screw healthcare, screw the economy, screw youth unemployment; the most important thing to me is telling women what they can and cannot wear".

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The former citizenship court judge is executive director of Edmonton’s Changing Together, a centre for immigrant women and their children. For years, Bitar has worked to empower women, helping them to understand their legal rights, flee abusive family situations, and integrate into the Canadian community. Many of the women and girls she works with are the very ones the federal Conservative Party says it’s trying to help with its promised new “barbaric cultural practices” tip line.

For Bitar, an immigrant from Lebanon, the party’s campaign pledge provokes a sharp reaction.

“Oh my God. Are we still using these kinds of words?” she says. “Are we now saying there are two different kinds of Canadians? I’m very disappointed.”

http://edmontonjournal.com/news/politic ... s-of-abuse

[Thanos]

Watching liberals defending stone age primitivism and making excuses for the most totalitarian religion that ever existed remains endlessly hilarious.

Take it away, boys.

[DrCaleb]

Thanos Thanos:

Watching liberals defending stone age primitivism and making excuses for the most totalitarian religion that ever existed remains endlessly hilarious.

Quotes, or it didn't happen.

[Thanos]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Thanos Thanos:

Watching liberals defending stone age primitivism and making excuses for the most totalitarian religion that ever existed remains endlessly hilarious.

Quotes, or it didn't happen.

You're saying that Muslim women have the right, or much more accurately Muslim men have the right to force Muslim women, to wear what Maher called the equivalent of a bee-keeper suit underneath the blazing sun because they consider it chaste. What's next for you guys, defending the right of some fucked up Christian flagellant to scourge himself with a bicycle chain and spray blood everywhere as he walks down the mall in the middle of the day? Hey, someone like that would be a minority too, so aren't the rest of us obligated to genuflect towards him and endlessly repeat how super it is that he's exercising his rights? Hey, look, a cultural minority! Bow your heads in respect!

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The choice is not between order and liberty. It is between liberty with order and anarchy without either. There is danger that, if the Court does not temper its doctrinaire logic with a little practical wisdom, it will convert the constitutional Bill of Rights into a suicide pact.

- Robert H. Jackson

The niqab and the burka are symbols of totalitarian oppression that have no place in a modern Western democracy. Oddly enough the only ones in Canada that seem to understand this are conservatives and the secular Marxists in the Bloc Quebecois. The squishy mass of other Canadian liberals are stuck in their usual spot, trapped by their own worthless ideology, defending something that's depraved, cruel, oppressive, and completely indefensible.

[Lemmy]

If muslim women want to stop wearing it, it's up to them to make that determination. And as much as my opinion pretty much matches yours, it doesn't match theirs and it's their choice, not ours.

[DrCaleb]

Thanos Thanos:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Thanos Thanos:

Watching liberals defending stone age primitivism and making excuses for the most totalitarian religion that ever existed remains endlessly hilarious.

Quotes, or it didn't happen.

You're saying that Muslim women have the right, or much more accurately Muslim men have the right to force Muslim women, to wear what Maher called the equivalent of a bee-keeper suit underneath the blazing sun because they consider it chaste. What's next for you guys, defending the right of some fucked up Christian flagellant to scourge himself with a bicycle chain and spray blood everywhere as he walks down the mall in the middle of the day? Hey, someone like that would be a minority too, so aren't the rest of us obligated to genuflect towards him and endlessly repeat how super it is that he's exercising his rights? Hey, look, a cultural minority! Bow your heads in respect!

I said no such thing, which is why you can't quote it. To quote your own Muslim mayor;

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On Friday, Naheed Nenshi told The National’s Wendy Mesley he personally doesn’t like the niqab and wishes people wouldn’t wear it.

But what he likes even less, is "telling people what to do.”

He criticized Conservatives for the party's two-prong message: that the niqab is symbol of oppression and that women should not “let their husbands and brothers” govern how they should dress.

“How is that any different than letting Jason Kenney telling them what to wear?” Nenshi asked. “If Jason believes that, then Jason should attempt to ban it everywhere. Not for 30 seconds of somebody’s life during a citizenship ceremony.”

He chided Conservatives on the priority the party has given to the much-ballyhooed issue over other national concerns.

Days earlier, the mayor called out Conservative Leader Stephen Harper’s stance on the niqab as “unbelievably dangerous.”

“If we want to have a conversation about the status of women in this country, let’s have that conversation,” Nenshi said. “Let’s talk about murdered and missing aboriginal women, let’s talk about the UN chastising Canada for its poor performance on women’s issues, and let’s talk about real social change.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2015/10/04 ... 42232.html

You should know better than to make up things that you think I say, then get pissed off at the things you made up.