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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 11:31 am
 


neopundit neopundit:
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Can you prove that? Maybe the legion asked it's members for donations for this reason, or a laweyer believed in their cause and did it for free, or one of it's members is a lawyer.


It's all still a waste of resources.
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neopundit neopundit:
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Can you prove that? Maybe the legion asked it's members for donations for this reason, or a laweyer believed in their cause and did it for free, or one of it's members is a lawyer.


It's all still a waste of resources.
What resources?


Time? Donations?


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 11:34 am
 


neopundit neopundit:
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neopundit neopundit:
Tricks Tricks:
Can you prove that? Maybe the legion asked it's members for donations for this reason, or a laweyer believed in their cause and did it for free, or one of it's members is a lawyer.


It's all still a waste of resources.
What resources?


Time? Donations?
I think making the White poppy was a waste of time and money. What's your point? If someone wanted to donate for that cause, what does it matter? Holding protests of the SOA in London is a waste of time, but people still do it.


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 11:41 am
 


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I think making the White poppy was a waste of time and money. What's your point? If someone wanted to donate for that cause, what does it matter? Holding protests of the SOA in London is a waste of time, but people still do it.


Because the money should go to veterans, not protecting a commercial trademark on a symbolic flower? IS the purpose to raise awareness, or money?

The purpose of Remembrance Day is to remember. Wearing a white poppy does not imply that you disrespect soldiers or refuse to "remember" them.

It's a personal thing, not a commercial thing. Why should you care how I choose to remember or honour fallen soldiers? Frankly, it's nobody else's business.


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 11:43 am
 


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the white poppy in 1933 to symbolize the belief that there are better ways to resolve conflict than by killing strangers.


And by September 1, 1939, they realized what idiots they had been, and that if they were going to have an England, they had better do something more relavant than visualizing world peace.


A white poppy is a way of saying "we remember the sacrifice you made, and think you were a fool for making it." What a brutal and vicious insult. Figures it came straight out of a university.


Your interpretation of the meaning of the white poppy is ridiculous, arbitrary, and says more about your biases than anything else.

Besides, maybe if there had been more white poppy types in Germany in the 1930s, much ensuing misery could have been averted. But, of course, any pro-peace people there at the time were viewed as a brutal and vicious insult to the vets and subsequently were shouted down - and worse. :idea:


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 11:46 am
 


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Fortunately, the white poppy speaks to what society has been mute about: namely, that war is disgusting in all its forms, and that all of humanity is responsible for actively creating a better way of resolving differences between peoples.


All of humanity is responsible, of course they are but lets be realistic there John Lennon. This person is giving humanity too much credit for assuming we can be that civilized and more importantly that intelligent. Humanity is neither of that although Mr WHite Poppy would like to believe so.

Maybe this person is preaching to the wrong people about the white poppy, of course we want to avoid wars believe it or not. Maybe we should of told the taliban about the white poppy before they assembled in Afghanistan and trained for 911, maybe we should of told Nazi Germany about the white poppy before they invaded poland, maybe we should of told the killers in Rwanda before they went on a rampage and hacked up civilians, maybe we should of told the Serbs and the Croats about the white poppy before they started ethinically cleansing each other,

The red poppy is for the people that answer the call when the nutjobs of the world starts campaigns of death mentioned above and in turn give up their own lives defeating them. Thats all the red poppy is about for me remembering what others before us has sacrificed , their lives. So we can live the way we do now.

If anti-war activists want a symbol fine, I suggest not fucking around with the poppy though.


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 11:48 am
 


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If anti-war activists want a symbol fine, I suggest not fucking around with the poppy though.


It started in 1933, so it isn't new.

I'm curious, what would you folks think if I made my own red poppy to pin on my jacket. Is that bad? Do I have to buy it from the Legion?


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 11:49 am
 


neopundit neopundit:
Because the money should go to veterans, not protecting a commercial trademark on a symbolic flower? IS the purpose to raise awareness, or money?
Both actually.
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The purpose of Remembrance Day is to remember. Wearing a white poppy does not imply that you disrespect soldiers or refuse to "remember" them.
No, but if you where for the same reason as the twit who wrote the article, then yes, you are being disrespectful.
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It's a personal thing, not a commercial thing. Why should you care how I choose to remember or honour fallen soldiers? Frankly, it's nobody else's business.
If it's for the same reason as the guy who wrote this piece, then I find it disrespectful. Then I have an issue with it.

As a side note, Legion never actually sued, only threatened to. So no resources were wasted.


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 11:51 am
 


neopundit neopundit:
Bodah Bodah:
If anti-war activists want a symbol fine, I suggest not fucking around with the poppy though.


It started in 1933, so it isn't new.

I'm curious, what would you folks think if I made my own red poppy to pin on my jacket. Is that bad? Do I have to buy it from the Legion?
I would prefer you get it from the Legion. Any money spent on poppies goes to the vets. But make one if you wish.


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 11:53 am
 


Bodah Bodah:
If anti-war activists want a symbol fine, I suggest not fucking around with the poppy though.
Indeed.

What if I wanted an anti-religion symbol, and fucked around with the cross or Jesus.


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 11:53 am
 


neopundit neopundit:
Bodah Bodah:
If anti-war activists want a symbol fine, I suggest not fucking around with the poppy though.


It started in 1933, so it isn't new.

I'm curious, what would you folks think if I made my own red poppy to pin on my jacket. Is that bad? Do I have to buy it from the Legion?


Of course not, Why would you think that would be bad ?


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 11:55 am
 


Tricks Tricks:
Bodah Bodah:
If anti-war activists want a symbol fine, I suggest not fucking around with the poppy though.
Indeed.

What if I wanted an anti-religion symbol, and fucked around with the cross or Jesus.


Well that would be ok, as long as your not fucking around with any other non-christian religon, Islam etc..... then that would be bad :wink:


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 11:59 am
 


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Of course not, Why would you think that would be bad ?


Just curious as to what people thought. Is it the money, the symbol, or the act of actually remembering.


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 12:01 pm
 


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Indeed.

What if I wanted an anti-religion symbol, and fucked around with the cross or Jesus.


Give'er. Just remember there are a lot of crazy Christians who might take such a thing very seriously. So seriously in fact, they may threaten you with violence.

People are like that.

But the thing is, the white poppy isn't anti anything.


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 12:02 pm
 


Bodah Bodah:
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Bodah Bodah:
If anti-war activists want a symbol fine, I suggest not fucking around with the poppy though.
Indeed.

What if I wanted an anti-religion symbol, and fucked around with the cross or Jesus.


Well that would be ok, as long as your not fucking around with any other non-christian religon, Islam etc..... then that would be bad :wink:
Good point. Wonder how people would react if I fucked with the Koran or Mohammed. Or the Torah and the Star of David.


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