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Your Pick for Liberal Leader (from top 4)
Poll ended at Sat Dec 02, 2006 1:03 pm
Michael Ignatieff  21%  [ 9 ]
Bob Rae  26%  [ 11 ]
Gerard Kennedy  37%  [ 16 ]
Stephane Dion  16%  [ 7 ]
Total votes : 43

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 11:29 pm
 


I'm trying to stay out of this but this is far too good:

Howard Dean... He's not Canadian, is he.
He's .. Hmmm. American?
Why are Liberals taking advise from an American?
Didn't the Paul Martin Liberals make it clear that all things "American" were wrong? Wasn't that the whole thing behind the "American style" slander?


I loved Paul Martins speech that the Libs ned to unify. Unify is definately what I think of when I recall the career of Paul Martin...
that or a turd.


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 11:37 pm
 


I would like to think that the liberal party is evolving along with canadians, the Harper government is doing well, so the liberals adjust. I think Harper deserves a majority but I also think he needs a strong opposition that can challenge him.


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 11:59 pm
 


hwacker hwacker:
Scape Scape:
That was a hell of a reason to torpedo a presidential run, a yell made during a rally. I still don't see what the fuss was about and they ended up picking the walking dead, Kerry. Very weird considering he's the guy who did the famous, "I voted for...before I voted against" bit. You would think issues would have more weight.


That and he's a crazy nuttbar. :roll:


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 9:46 am
 


Conservatives sent campaign organizers to Republican school in the States before the last election. Howard Dean, Chair of the Democratic National Committee, was a keynote speaker at the Liberal leadership convention. There's a definate alliance here. So much for keeping the countries separate. However, I felt he gave a great speach. Then I saw it live. I'm logged on from the Cyber Café at the conference right now. The tribute to Paul Martin was great! All the entertainment is really spectacular! I've been to a few symposia organized by NASA or the CSA, and conferences by the Mars Society; they don't hold a candle to this!

One technique the Conservatives learned at Republican school was to "mine" churches for campaign volunteers. Of course the cost is that leaves the party beholden to the religious sector. Should the Liberal party "mine" community centres? Eh, do our own thing, get everyone involved.

It's really cool! I get to talk to the party president, senators and MPs, and leadership candidates. Of course it helps walking around with a delegate badge. We voted on a new party consititution. I spoke on several policy resolutions, and get a vote on everything. I have to go, I'm scheduled to volunteer for my leadership campaign in a few minutes. I'm told I'll be assigned to "mobile mob", that means following the candidate while chanting and carrying a sign. One organizer nic-named the signs "popsickles", sign on a stick.

Stéphane Dion
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 10:59 am
 


ridenrain ridenrain:
I'm trying to stay out of this but this is far too good:

Howard Dean... He's not Canadian, is he.
He's .. Hmmm. American?
Why are Liberals taking advise from an American?
Didn't the Paul Martin Liberals make it clear that all things "American" were wrong? Wasn't that the whole thing behind the "American style" slander?

Liberals didn't like/agree with republicans and the Bush administration, not Americans.

thats cool Winnipegger, neat to here from someone actually there.

I heard there is talk that GK and Dion have an agreement, whom ever gets 4th after the first vote will support the other. Which could possibly catapult them into 2nd place and possibly win.


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 6:04 pm
 


Ken Drydans speach was very heartfelt, looks like a lot of un being there.

Dion's speech was good, I like his 3 pilar ideal.
I think Dion and Kennedy are my favorites at this point. But both Dryden and Dion spent a lot of time bashing harper.

GK's speach was really good, I can really picture him as Prime Minister. The young Trudeau introduced Gerard Kennedy.


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 6:29 pm
 


Justine Trudeau looks just like his dad.....The best line of Kennedys speach was"together we can keep Mr Harper from doing to Canada what Harris did to Ontario" :D


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Justine Trudeau looks just like his dad.....The best line of Kennedys speach was"together we can keep Mr Harper from doing to Canada what Harris did to Ontario" :D


What was that ? fixing what Bob Rea the kneedipper now liberal left behind?

Kinda like what Harper is fixing right now.


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I'm not committed to either of the three major federal parties, but I'm following the Liberal convention closely.

If I was Stephen Harper, the potential Liberal leader that I'd be the most worried about is Ignatieff. The one I'd be hoping for to win is Bob Rea.

Of all of the leadership contenders, Ignatieff is the one who gives me a Trudeau-esque feeling. He is extremely eloquent, and both looks and sounds Prime Ministerial to me.

Don't get me wrong - most of the leadership contenders gave good speeches in my mind, but Ignatieff had the most memorable one.

Also, in an one-on-one with Harper, Ignatieff strikes me as the least vulnerable of the front-runners.

I don't see many avenues through which Harper could effectively attack Ignatieff - there is the Israeli/Palestinian issue, but I dare say at this point most people are well aware of where the federal parties stand on the issue, and if they're very pro-Israel they're already Conservative, and if they're more pro-Palestine, they're already Liberal or NDP.

Ignatieff, due to NOT having a long life as an actual politician, has no record that Harper could effectively assail (as he could do with Bob Rae's record, should Bob take the leadership of the party). I also like how Ignatieff smoothly moves from one language (English) to the next (French). I personally felt that having a French-language chant interspersed within English words was a stroke of brilliance on Ignatieff's part - because by doing so he effectively speaks both languages, but also resonates with English-speaking Canadians that are not bi-lingual.

Ignatieff has that 'larger than life' presence to him - the video presentation helped that a lot.

In my view, I have a hard time imagining either one of Rea, Kennedy, or Dion, managing to unseat Harper. Each of the three have weaknesses that I think Harper could very effectively exploit.

Ignatieff, on the other hand, would pose a real challenge to Harper. I think that a lot of liberal/conservtive swing voters would move over to Ignatieff since Ignatieff comes across as very charismatic, sensible, and strong, with out many knocks that can be made against him.


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 10:55 am
 


OMG. Dion is in very good position to win !

It will be between Rae and Dion. My guess is that Ignatieff may give his support to Rae to block Dion. It would be so bad for the liberals to have Dion... and I would lose 20$ !


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 11:02 am
 


I am disappointed in the loss of a chance to see Kennedy as the next leader. I saw him as "The Phoenix" that would re ignite the Liberals with a renewed vigor for the future. a new fresh start to the party and policies. Also a new view for many people of the party.


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 11:36 am
 


Proculation Proculation:
OMG. Dion is in very good position to win !

It will be between Rae and Dion. My guess is that Ignatieff may give his support to Rae to block Dion. It would be so bad for the liberals to have Dion... and I would lose 20$ !

Of the remaining contenders, only Dion has any connection to the "old Liberals".

Since Kennedy is out, i revert to my stated second cghoice, Bob Rae. That said, should Ignatieff be chosen, I would gladly support him.


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 11:46 am
 


Procu can you say this

Stéphane Dion Prime minister of Canada


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 11:52 am
 


Elvis Elvis:
Procu can you say this

Stéphane Dion Prime minister of Canada

Bah moi personnellement je le trouve pas pire Dion. C'est pas pour rien qu'il pogne comme ca. Très intelligent et pragmatique le gars.
Mais bon malheureusement pour lui, il a eu une très mauvaise presse au Québec et ya eu du "Dion-bashing" partout dans les médias. Ca l'a un effet sur les appuis ca et c'est pour ca que c'est dangeureux pour les libéraux s'ils l'élisent.


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 12:00 pm
 


J'ai quand même un bon mot pour Dion. Il est le seul de tout les fédéralistes Québecois qui se comporte comme un véritable patriote Canadien. En tout les cas c'est comme ça qu'il argumente sont point de vue. Tant mieux pour lui car selon moi c'est la seul bonne raison pour justifier ce choix.

PS:Te souvien tu de ce que Mulcair à dit à l'assemblé nationnal après deux ans de négociation avec Dion?

Imagine le maintenant premier ministre. Même Jean Charest va vouloir faire un référendum!


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