[icekarma2752]

grainfedprairieboy wrote:

Curious CDN_Bear, and I'm not trying to put you on the spot so feel free not to answer.

Where do your loyalties lie? If reserves were legally disbanded and you were ordered to clear them by whichever means necessary would you disobey a lawful command?

[CDNBear]

grainfedprairieboy wrote:

Curious CDN_Bear, and I'm not trying to put you on the spot so feel free not to answer.

Where do your loyalties lie? If reserves were legally disbanded and you were ordered to clear them by whichever means necessary would you disobey a lawful command?

Why do you people keep putting me on this spot??? Midnight Rider asked me virtually the same question, not to long ago.

Damn you, you know how I feel about the bond and the eternal brotherhood of the Army.

I thanked my lucky stars my unit was not called up during the events in Oka, though we were on notice.

I'm not sure what I would do.

You know when it comes to protests, I prefer them peaceful and non violent. You know I'm Army all the way, you know I am red blood Six Nations and you know my country has always come first. But if they made that choice, I would likely see it as wrong and seeing that I am no longer in the service of the Crown, I would not be disobeying an order I would see as unlawfull.

And I say unlawful, because the Commonwealth of Canada has signed agreements stating it recognises its International bound obligations to the Native people of Canada. Therefore any action as you describe, would be unlawfull.

To ask your country to commit such an act or support it in doing so, would actually be the illegal act.

Now, if on the 29th of this month, some asshatted members of any of the Native communities across Canada go and start stupid violent protests, block commercial traffic or any semblence of that, the Army should be called in and I would support that all the way.

[BartSimpson]

So true. So true.

[PJB]

Manitoba chief calls off blockade plans
Last Updated: Thursday, June 21, 2007 | 6:58 AM CT
CBC News
Indian Affairs Minister Jim Prentice said he is "heartened" by news that a train blockade planned by a Manitoba aboriginal community next week has been called off.

Chief Terrance Nelson of the Roseau River First Nation had threatened to block a CN Rail line running through his community on June 29, which the Assembly of First Nations says is its National Day of Action, to draw attention to aboriginal poverty and unresolved land claims.

Chief Terrance Nelson says even though his community has called off plans to block a CN Rail line on June 29, there could be blockades elsewhere in the country on the National Day of Action.
(CBC) After announcing plans for the blockade, Nelson added to the controversy by saying, "There are two ways to deal with the white man. You either pick up a gun or you stand between him and his money."

The chief said his community decided Tuesday evening to call off the planned blockade of the rail line as a show of goodwill, specifically because of Prentice's decision to add 30 hectares of new land to the Roseau River band.

The land being transferred is northwest of Winnipeg, while the reserve itself is south of the city.

"I'm heartened by Chief Nelson's comments," Prentice told CBC Newsworld on Thursday, adding that other aboriginal leaders are discouraging illegal activities to mark the day.

Although Nelson's community has called off plans for a blockade, he said there could be problems elsewhere in the country.

"The community of Roseau River is showing good faith with the minister of Indian affairs, but we will not blunt the message on June 29 and that is, we will go to the railway line and be on standby in case of violence against any indigenous peoples across the country.

"Very clearly there could be flashpoints across the country," he told CBC Newsworld on Thursday.

Last weekend, Phil Fontaine, the national chief of the Assembly of First Nations, said the National Day of Action is meant to reach out to Canadians, not to cause major disruptions.

Prentice said he understood that Nelson was "very frustrated." He said Nelson has met in the past 15 years with virtually every other minister of aboriginal affairs to settle a land dispute but has been "given the runaround."

The minister said he's "excited about the future" and government plans to "clear away historical injustices."

Earlier this month, the federal government promised to help clear a backlog of more than 800 land claims by creating a new, more independent tribunal to deal with the disputes.

Prentice said he has been criss-crossing the country, meeting with aboriginal leaders to ensure that June 29 is a peaceful day.

He marked National Aboriginal Day on Thursday by attending a sunrise ceremony on the banks of the Ottawa River.

[PJB]

Mohawks ready to block 401, CN mainline
Nationwide actions set for Friday; called by Assembly of First Nations
Jack Spearman, CanWest News Service
Published: Monday, June 25, 2007
OTTAWA -- A critical highway and rail line which moves tens of thousands of people daily around Central Canada will be subject to a blockade on Friday, says a spokesman for protesters from the Tyendinaga Mohawk reserve in eastern Ontario.

Shawn Brant said Monday protesters consider Ontario Highway 401 and the Canadian National Railway mainline that runs between Toronto and Montreal to be "credible targets," and that his group's activities are part of the national day of action called for by the Assembly of First Nations (AFN).

Other reports suggested protesters may also try to block access to the nearby town of Deseronto -- located on Lake Ontario's Bay of Quinte midway between Kingston and Belleville

As to details of the timing of blockades, Mr. Brant was coy. But he did say the day of action begins at midnight and ends at midnight.

"Our intention is to fill the mandate for the full day," he said, noting the actions of blockaders will depend on the reaction of police. "If they intervene, we'll be making decisions on the ground."

This is not the first time Tyendinaga protesters have resorted to blockades.

In April, Mr. Brant's group blocked a CN line between Toronto and Montreal for two days with a burned-out school bus, to protest the slowness of negotiations over 400 hectares of privately held land the protesters say was never surrendered by the band.

CN is suing Mr. Brant and others for stalling millions of dollars worth of freight shipments and diverting thousands of train passengers.

The Bay of Quinte Mohawk Nation, to which the protesters belong, is also named in the suit -- although the band council made clear at the time it did not endorse the action.

Mr. Brant said his group's latest planned action is not sanctioned by the band's elected leadership.

They, he added, cannot openly side with protesters lest the federal government retaliate by withholding funding for band programs.

"I understand and appreciate the band's position," he said.

Assembly of First Nations national chief Phil Fontaine has warned the public that his people are angry and exasperated at the snail's pace at which land claims are handled in Canada.


Now isn't that a shocker! Friggin' terrorist should be destroyed.
In a bid to keep tempers on even keel during Friday's nation-wide protests, Mr. Fontaine and interim RCMP commissioner Beverly Busson on June 20 signed a protocol setting out ground rules for dealing with any crisis that may emerge - including the provision for a joint AFN/RCMP response team.

"The only way we can get the government to act in a responsible and appropriate way is to reach out to Canadians, and we are trying to do it in the most respectful and peaceful way possible," Fontaine said. "That is what June 29 is about."

[FiveAlphaFive]

Just think what would happen if the white man made blockades . We should start blocading reserve access. Blockade the govt office on welfare day. Then sit back and watch to see how frustrated thet get when a blockade is erected. I know of one in BC where they were charging hunters 200 buck to get past a blockade that was on crown land to begin with.. All it is is a demonstration for them to be noticed so they can get some $$.

[DangerMouse]

FiveAlphaFive wrote:

Just think what would happen if the white man made blockades . I know of one in BC where they were charging hunters 200 buck to get past a blockade that was on crown land to begin with.. .

[font=Comic Sans MS] Im curious to know where this whiteman blockade is that charges 200 bucks to pass on crown land? [/font]

[FiveAlphaFive]

It was a native blockade, i got off on a rant and goofed up on my post.