[gonavy47]

andyt wrote:

You all elected him. As you did with Farantino - to the Reformacons. This is not a Liberal vs CPC issue.

I DIDN'T VOTE FOR THE JERK!!! The OPP is under the control of WHO?!

[andyt]

You're not seriously suggesting Farantino vas joost followink ordahs, are you?

[andyt]

Retired RCMP Sgt from Caledonia: “Fantino was a complete joke as far as law and order was concerned http://mooseandsquirrel.ca/2010/10/21/1 ... concerned/

Gary McHale and Mark Vandermaas have set-up an anti-Fantino organization called "Conservatives Against Fantino" to try and prevent the former OPP and Toronto police chief from winning a seat for the Conservatives in a byelection set for November 29.

The pair’s tensions with Fantino began during the 2006 aboriginal occupation in Caledonia.

Both sides made accusations. McHale has said Fantino instructed his OPP officers to ignore unlawful actions committed by aboriginals, while Fantino contends McHale ignited conflicts and baited police.



CANACE (Canadian Advocates for Charter Equality)

Your Help is Needed - We will continue to fight to expose Fantino and the McGuinty government in order to bring an end to Racist Policing Policies and to restore Law and Order. The numerous court battles are costly.




AS IT TURNS OUT, THE FRONT LINE OFFICERS OF THE OPP WERE SOLD DOWN THE RIVER TOO, BY THEIR SENIOR RANKS, IN PARTICULAR BY TWO COMMISSIONERS OF THE FORCE, GWEN BONIFACE AND JULIAN FANTINO, WHO EITHER SUBJUGATED THEMSELVES TO GOVERNMENT WILL, HELD THEIR TONGUES OR RESPECTIVELY DREAMED UP THE DISASTROUS OPERATIONAL PLAN FOR CALEDONIA AND THEN STUBBORNLY HELD ONTO IT FOR DEAR LIFE.” (Christie Blatchford)

[saturn_656]

This debacle is one of the main reasons why I have lost faith in the McGuinty government.

The folks who live about the DCE were left to swing in the wind by the government. These people lost the benefit of police protection. Residents would be openly harassed, subjected to unlawful searches while under duress, have their property invaded. Some played ball out of fear, those who did stand up for themselves and their rights were taking a big risk. See Sam Gualtieri, who was beaten nearly to death by a squatter he confronted inside a home he was building for his daughter.

What bugs me more than anything is that more than a few residents and businesses in and about Caledonia took their case to the court system for remedy. Now these residents and businesses may be winning their court cases, but that means squat.

For example the owners of 15356412 Ontario Ltd. got a court injunction to remove the six nations squatters from their development. OPP were directed by the judge to assist the Sheriff of Haldimand County to carry out this order.

According to the owners of 15356412 Ontario Ltd., the OPP declined to follow the direction of the Ontario court judge and rather than enforce the court order, they requested the owner negotiate with six nations squatters.

Going to court, and winning, means jack shit if the OPP decide to ignore the court order. Forget trying to enforce it yourself, because then you are disturbing the peace and putting yourself at risk of being arrested by same OPP that declined to assist you as directed by a court order from a judge.

[EyeBrock]

I didn't vote for Dalton.

And big shock andy, the OPP comish follows orders given by the Ont premier. Thats what provincial police chiefs do.

Is this yet another subject you comment on and know fuck-all about?

[saturn_656]

I'm assuming Haldimand County hired the OPP to police the municipality under contract.

When this contract expires, they should seriously consider incorporating their own police service (or giving the contract to another service), reporting to the people of the county through the municipal government, not the Premier of Ontario.

[andyt]

EyeBrock wrote:

I didn't vote for Dalton.

And big shock andy, the OPP comish follows orders given by the Ont premier. Thats what provincial police chiefs do.

Is this yet another subject you comment on and know fuck-all about?

You of course are the final word on the matter, even tho residents directly affected and journalists covering the situation see it differently. But what do they know. The great Brock has pronounced the truth.

Quote:

What Fantino didn’t mention in his speech is the biggest black mark on his storied career. Caledonia.

In Caledonia Fantino agreed to apply two standards of law, one for native protesters and one for all others. It’s true that the mess in Caledonia and the initial feeble reaction by the Ontario Provincial Police was not Faninto’s doing. The decision to treat native lawbreakers differently than others that crossed the police line was made by then OPP Commissioner Gwen Boniface or at least her higher-ups like Premier McGuinty. Fantino came in to clean up in late 2006 after Boniface was shuffled off to an international posting.

Fantino didn’t start the policy of applying the law differently based on race but neither did he appear to stop it.

If Fantino truly wants to be a law and order candidate he better start answering some questions. Here’s a few to start:

Why did the OPP apply the law unequally in Caledonia?

Did you make that call or did it come from the Premier’s office?

Do you believe that justice should be blind and the law applied equally regardless or race, colour or creed?

R

Quote:

etired RCMP Sgt from Caledonia: “Fantino was a complete joke as far as law and order was concerned”

OPP Commissioner Julian Fantino encouraged his officers to lay charges against a protester — before there was any evidence the man had committed a crime — during a clash between natives and residents of Caledonia, Ont., in late 2007, according to emails made public this week in a court case.

"At some point McHale has to go," Fantino wrote Deputy Commissioner Chris Lewis, a half hour after a protest began on Dec. 1, 2007, referring to Gary McHale of Richmond Hill, Ont., who was leading a campaign to hold the OPP accountable for its policing decisions....

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When a native woman attacked McHale during the Dec. 1 protest, claiming that he had assaulted her, the police were almost giddy in their email exchanges that they finally had what they wanted.

"There is a hidden gem here," officer Rick Barnum wrote to OPP Supt. Bob Goodall. "It appears on the ground the sentiment is that McHale may have pushed a female FN [First Nations] lady who was close to him."

Another officer reported to Barnum: "Gary McHale viciously beaten by [native leader Clyde Powless]. He appears hurt."

McHale went to hospital but Fantino, who was kept abreast of every action at the scene, was mistakenly told that McHale had been arrested. Fantino wrote to Goodall: "I want every avenue explored by which we now can bring McHale into court seeking a court order to prevent him from continuing his agenda of inciting people to violence in Caledonia.

"We should be able to prove to court that McHale's forays into Caledonia have been planned and executed for purposes of breaching the peace which today also resulted in violence. We can't allow this vicious cycle to continue to the point where time and again we have to expend an inordinate number of police resources to keep people from killing themselves," Fantino wrote...


When a native woman attacked McHale during the Dec. 1 protest, claiming that he had assaulted her, the police were almost giddy in their email exchanges that they finally had what they wanted.

"There is a hidden gem here," officer Rick Barnum wrote to OPP Supt. Bob Goodall. "It appears on the ground the sentiment is that McHale may have pushed a female FN [First Nations] lady who was close to him."

Another officer reported to Barnum: "Gary McHale viciously beaten by [native leader Clyde Powless]. He appears hurt."

McHale went to hospital but Fantino, who was kept abreast of every action at the scene, was mistakenly told that McHale had been arrested. Fantino wrote to Goodall: "I want every avenue explored by which we now can bring McHale into court seeking a court order to prevent him from continuing his agenda of inciting people to violence in Caledonia.

"We should be able to prove to court that McHale's forays into Caledonia have been planned and executed for purposes of breaching the peace which today also resulted in violence. We can't allow this vicious cycle to continue to the point where time and again we have to expend an inordinate number of police resources to keep people from killing themselves," Fantino wrote.

[EyeBrock]

I am indeed great andy. Thanks mate.

[CDN_PATRIOT]

Fantino's hands were tied. McGuinty has neither the balls nor the drive to do anything about a situation like Caledonia. That being said, the plethora of left-wing voters that cast a vote for him and his party are also to blame.

-J.

[EyeBrock]

What about the Conservative federal government? They have done nothing about Native scoff-laws either. It's their file too.

A pox on both their houses.

[gonavy47]

EyeBrock wrote:

I didn't vote for Dalton.

And big shock andy, the OPP comish follows orders given by the Ont premier. Thats what provincial police chiefs do.

Is this yet another subject you comment on and know fuck-all about?

[Lemmy]

gonavy47 wrote:

EyeBrock wrote:

I didn't vote for Dalton.

And big shock andy, the OPP comish follows orders given by the Ont premier. Thats what provincial police chiefs do.

Is this yet another subject you comment on and know fuck-all about?

He also said this, gonavy:

EyeBrock wrote:

What about the Conservative federal government? They have done nothing about Native scoff-laws either. It's their file too.

Policing may be under the premier's direction in Ontario, but ALL Native issues are a federal matter. The failure in this case, and indeed all native cases, falls at the feet of the federal government. If they'd get their shit together, the provinces (and, ergo, provincial agencies such as the OPP) would have some direction. As it is, they're in a state of hold. You can't seriously lay the blame for native issues in Ontario at Dalton's feet. He hasn't the constitutional authority to do much about it.

[andyt]

Each level can do something. The Feds are the ones who ultimately have to solve native issues. But in BC, BC has to come up with the land for settling land claims, the feds with the money. So BC is an equal partner at the bargaining table. Presumably too, in Ontario it would be Ontario lad that would have to be given up, if that is the issue.

I've never heard of a premier telling the cops not to enforce the law. Fantino could have stood up to McGuinty. Instead, by the e-mails he wrote, he was a very eager participant, totally bought into the idea that leaving the natives undisturbed was the best way to go, while desperately looking for ways to charge the white guys who were speaking out about this. Including the infamous "counselling mischief not committed" charge.

[EyeBrock]

Lemmy wrote:

gonavy47 wrote:

EyeBrock wrote:

I didn't vote for Dalton.

And big shock andy, the OPP comish follows orders given by the Ont premier. Thats what provincial police chiefs do.

Is this yet another subject you comment on and know fuck-all about?

He also said this, gonavy:

EyeBrock wrote:

What about the Conservative federal government? They have done nothing about Native scoff-laws either. It's their file too.

Policing may be under the premier's direction in Ontario, but ALL Native issues are a federal matter. The failure in this case, and indeed all native cases, falls at the feet of the federal government. If they'd get their shit together, the provinces (and, ergo, provincial agencies such as the OPP) would have some direction. As it is, they're in a state of hold. You can't seriously lay the blame for native issues in Ontario at Dalton's feet. He hasn't the constitutional authority to do much about it.

I think you are part way right Lemmy. The Feds are the main authority on Native issues, however it’s up to the OPP and therefore the Premier of Ontario, to enforce the law in jurisdictions where the province provide policing services.

Caledonia is such a place and the O dots simply don’t enforce the law when it comes to the Mohawks in Caledonia.

My point is that both McGuinty and Harper have failed the people of Ontario when it comes to confronting Native lawbreakers.

Turning a blind eye has only made these guys braver.

All kinds of things are emanating from allowing anarchy to reign within and around the Six Nation’s lands.

The GTA police agencies are well used to gangs of Native car thieves driving at police and causing havoc, a fact that the media wankers ignore.

[Lemmy]

EyeBrock wrote:

I think you are part way right Lemmy. The Feds are the main authority on Native issues, however it’s up to the OPP and therefore the Premier of Ontario, to enforce the law in jurisdictions where the province provide policing services.

Caledonia is such a place and the O dots simply don’t enforce the law when it comes to the Mohawks in Caledonia.

Agreed. Why is that, do you think? Maybe it's because the Premier's office is handcuffed to do much. The cops can't overstep their constitutional authority or the natives will turn this straight to the courts. Then the OPP and the Premier end up the bad-guys.

EyeBrock wrote:

My point is that both McGuinty and Harper have failed the people of Ontario when it comes to confronting Native lawbreakers.

And the Martin and Chretien federal governments and the Harris and Eves provincial governments before them. This is not a partisan issue, despite gonavy's implication.

EyeBrock wrote:

Turning a blind eye has only made these guys braver.

All kinds of things are emanating from allowing anarchy to reign within and around the Six Nation’s lands.

The GTA police agencies are well used to gangs of Native car thieves driving at police and causing havoc, a fact that the media wankers ignore.

Absolutely it's made the criminals braver. But the provincial government and the OPP are handcuffed by the feds to do much. Look what happened at OKA and Ipperwash. The cops ended up being the scapegoats for a federal failure. I'd hate to see that happen to the OPP with Caledonia. It's once bitten, twice shy and McGuinty and Fantino are smart enough to know they have nothing to gain and everthing to lose by escalating things.