[jimbunting]

The annual Indian bockade season has begun, with occupations of land and contstruction sites in Ontario, and in other parts of Canada.

Isn't is odd that when the Government of Canada sends representatives to discuss things with the Indians, nobody has to guess/wonder who they are? It is quite clear that the Canadian side is made up of elected Members of Parliament, or Provincial Legislature Members, or designated lawyers representing the people of Canada, while on the other side of the table, the Indians are from a large number of groups, none of whom are a "single voice " that is going to be able to get support from all the Indians concerned with the dispute. This is a tactic on the part of the Indians to be able to drag things out, and to create "mental fatigue " in the minds of the Canadian citizens, so they will be more willing to cave in to the demands being made by the Indians. Even at a blockade site it is hard to get ONE Indian spokesperson, instead of 19 of them, all claiming to be "the guy/woman in charge " who speaks foe all the Indians there.


In my opinon, it is NOT about Land, it is about MONEY, and how much each Indian can get of it. With annual Federal Government funding, for Indians at about NINE BILLION DOLLARS a year, the Indians are still not happy, and they are using terror tactics to get their way. What else can it be called when armed, and disguised people carrying automatic weapons, threaten to use, and have used violence ( Oka ) to blackmail Canadians?

It is a strange fact that, while contining to scream about how bad things are, the Indians also continue to accept those monthly cheques, and spend those hateful Canadian dollars. Perhaps the next time that Indians close a road or a railroad line, the cheques should STOP, right across the country, for six months, and see how that feels. They use OUR funding to SUE us, for imagined slights, maybe we can use the same tactic, to cut off their money, which is the REAL thing that they want, from us.

Your comments?

Jim B. Toronto.

[BartSimpson]

As I said in my 'platform' for my campaign to be PM - the Land Claims should have a sunset date past which no more land claims will be entertained or tolerated. Having the Natives predictably show up whenever there's money to be had by blackmailing developers and the nation with their histrionics is intolerable.

And after that date any blockades will be considered acts of terrorism and the military or police agencies would be legally empowered to respond accordingly.

[Biblical_Christian]

jimbunting wrote:

The annual Indian bockade season has begun, with occupations of land and contstruction sites in Ontario, and in other parts of Canada.

Isn't is odd that when the Government of Canada sends representatives to discuss things with the Indians, nobody has to guess/wonder who they are? It is quite clear that the Canadian side is made up of elected Members of Parliament, or Provincial Legislature Members, or designated lawyers representing the people of Canada, while on the other side of the table, the Indians are from a large number of groups, none of whom are a "single voice " that is going to be able to get support from all the Indians concerned with the dispute. This is a tactic on the part of the Indians to be able to drag things out, and to create "mental fatigue " in the minds of the Canadian citizens, so they will be more willing to cave in to the demands being made by the Indians. Even at a blockade site it is hard to get ONE Indian spokesperson, instead of 19 of them, all claiming to be "the guy/woman in charge " who speaks foe all the Indians there.


In my opinon, it is NOT about Land, it is about MONEY, and how much each Indian can get of it. With annual Federal Government funding, for Indians at about NINE BILLION DOLLARS a year, the Indians are still not happy, and they are using terror tactics to get their way. What else can it be called when armed, and disguised people carrying automatic weapons, threaten to use, and have used violence ( Oka ) to blackmail Canadians?

It is a strange fact that, while contining to scream about how bad things are, the Indians also continue to accept those monthly cheques, and spend those hateful Canadian dollars. Perhaps the next time that Indians close a road or a railroad line, the cheques should STOP, right across the country, for six months, and see how that feels. They use OUR funding to SUE us, for imagined slights, maybe we can use the same tactic, to cut off their money, which is the REAL thing that they want, from us.

Your comments?

Jim B. Toronto.

Do you want to explain what exactly you are saying, money? how? The Canada makes about 6 trillion dollars on GDP in one year, and thats from our MOTHERLAND. You sure didn't bring any Oil , Gas, Gold, Silver from whatever country you ppl got rejected from. NDN,s managed to get 9 Billion dollars out of that, out of OUR resources. ALL you ppl came in was by boat, with the clothes on your backs, ok? Get your facts straight from your warped mind, ok?

[stratos]

Biblical_Christian wrote:

jimbunting wrote:

The annual Indian bockade season has begun, with occupations of land and contstruction sites in Ontario, and in other parts of Canada.

Isn't is odd that when the Government of Canada sends representatives to discuss things with the Indians, nobody has to guess/wonder who they are? It is quite clear that the Canadian side is made up of elected Members of Parliament, or Provincial Legislature Members, or designated lawyers representing the people of Canada, while on the other side of the table, the Indians are from a large number of groups, none of whom are a "single voice " that is going to be able to get support from all the Indians concerned with the dispute. This is a tactic on the part of the Indians to be able to drag things out, and to create "mental fatigue " in the minds of the Canadian citizens, so they will be more willing to cave in to the demands being made by the Indians. Even at a blockade site it is hard to get ONE Indian spokesperson, instead of 19 of them, all claiming to be "the guy/woman in charge " who speaks foe all the Indians there.


In my opinon, it is NOT about Land, it is about MONEY, and how much each Indian can get of it. With annual Federal Government funding, for Indians at about NINE BILLION DOLLARS a year, the Indians are still not happy, and they are using terror tactics to get their way. What else can it be called when armed, and disguised people carrying automatic weapons, threaten to use, and have used violence ( Oka ) to blackmail Canadians?

It is a strange fact that, while contining to scream about how bad things are, the Indians also continue to accept those monthly cheques, and spend those hateful Canadian dollars. Perhaps the next time that Indians close a road or a railroad line, the cheques should STOP, right across the country, for six months, and see how that feels. They use OUR funding to SUE us, for imagined slights, maybe we can use the same tactic, to cut off their money, which is the REAL thing that they want, from us.

Your comments?

Jim B. Toronto.

do you want to explain wht exactly you aree saying, money? how? The Canada makes about 6 trillion dollars on GDP in on eyear, and thats from our MOTHERLAND. You sure didn't bring any Oil , Gas, Gold, Silver from whatever country you ppl got rejected from. NDN,s managed to get 9 Billion dollars out of that, out of OUR resources. ALl you ppl came in was by boat, with the clothes on your backs, ok? Get your facts straight from your warped mind, ok?

And you people walked over when the Bearing strait was frozen with nothing but furs on your back and a wooden spear in hand. Now please tell me when you put the oil, gas, gold, silver into the country? Get your facts strait before you blather off again B.C.

[Tricks]

Biblical_Christian wrote:

jimbunting wrote:

The annual Indian bockade season has begun, with occupations of land and contstruction sites in Ontario, and in other parts of Canada.

Isn't is odd that when the Government of Canada sends representatives to discuss things with the Indians, nobody has to guess/wonder who they are? It is quite clear that the Canadian side is made up of elected Members of Parliament, or Provincial Legislature Members, or designated lawyers representing the people of Canada, while on the other side of the table, the Indians are from a large number of groups, none of whom are a "single voice " that is going to be able to get support from all the Indians concerned with the dispute. This is a tactic on the part of the Indians to be able to drag things out, and to create "mental fatigue " in the minds of the Canadian citizens, so they will be more willing to cave in to the demands being made by the Indians. Even at a blockade site it is hard to get ONE Indian spokesperson, instead of 19 of them, all claiming to be "the guy/woman in charge " who speaks foe all the Indians there.


In my opinon, it is NOT about Land, it is about MONEY, and how much each Indian can get of it. With annual Federal Government funding, for Indians at about NINE BILLION DOLLARS a year, the Indians are still not happy, and they are using terror tactics to get their way. What else can it be called when armed, and disguised people carrying automatic weapons, threaten to use, and have used violence ( Oka ) to blackmail Canadians?

It is a strange fact that, while contining to scream about how bad things are, the Indians also continue to accept those monthly cheques, and spend those hateful Canadian dollars. Perhaps the next time that Indians close a road or a railroad line, the cheques should STOP, right across the country, for six months, and see how that feels. They use OUR funding to SUE us, for imagined slights, maybe we can use the same tactic, to cut off their money, which is the REAL thing that they want, from us.

Your comments?

Jim B. Toronto.

Do you want to explain what exactly you are saying, money? how? The Canada makes about 6 trillion dollars on GDP in one year, and thats from our MOTHERLAND. You sure didn't bring any Oil , Gas, Gold, Silver from whatever country you ppl got rejected from. NDN,s managed to get 9 Billion dollars out of that, out of OUR resources. ALL you ppl came in was by boat, with the clothes on your backs, ok? Get your facts straight from your warped mind, ok?

But WE could harvest it. You could not.

[Biblical_Christian]

So? if we decided not to dig it up, whats that to you?

[Biblical_Christian]

stratos wrote:

Biblical_Christian wrote:

jimbunting wrote:

The annual Indian bockade season has begun, with occupations of land and contstruction sites in Ontario, and in other parts of Canada.

Isn't is odd that when the Government of Canada sends representatives to discuss things with the Indians, nobody has to guess/wonder who they are? It is quite clear that the Canadian side is made up of elected Members of Parliament, or Provincial Legislature Members, or designated lawyers representing the people of Canada, while on the other side of the table, the Indians are from a large number of groups, none of whom are a "single voice " that is going to be able to get support from all the Indians concerned with the dispute. This is a tactic on the part of the Indians to be able to drag things out, and to create "mental fatigue " in the minds of the Canadian citizens, so they will be more willing to cave in to the demands being made by the Indians. Even at a blockade site it is hard to get ONE Indian spokesperson, instead of 19 of them, all claiming to be "the guy/woman in charge " who speaks foe all the Indians there.


In my opinon, it is NOT about Land, it is about MONEY, and how much each Indian can get of it. With annual Federal Government funding, for Indians at about NINE BILLION DOLLARS a year, the Indians are still not happy, and they are using terror tactics to get their way. What else can it be called when armed, and disguised people carrying automatic weapons, threaten to use, and have used violence ( Oka ) to blackmail Canadians?

It is a strange fact that, while contining to scream about how bad things are, the Indians also continue to accept those monthly cheques, and spend those hateful Canadian dollars. Perhaps the next time that Indians close a road or a railroad line, the cheques should STOP, right across the country, for six months, and see how that feels. They use OUR funding to SUE us, for imagined slights, maybe we can use the same tactic, to cut off their money, which is the REAL thing that they want, from us.

Your comments?

Jim B. Toronto.

do you want to explain wht exactly you aree saying, money? how? The Canada makes about 6 trillion dollars on GDP in on eyear, and thats from our MOTHERLAND. You sure didn't bring any Oil , Gas, Gold, Silver from whatever country you ppl got rejected from. NDN,s managed to get 9 Billion dollars out of that, out of OUR resources. ALl you ppl came in was by boat, with the clothes on your backs, ok? Get your facts straight from your warped mind, ok?

And you people walked over when the Bearing strait was frozen with nothing but furs on your back and a wooden spear in hand. Now please tell me when you put the oil, gas, gold, silver into the country? Get your facts strait before you blather off again B.C.

If we came by the beriang striat, Maybe there was nobody here, or they got killed off Nobody knows. We just got here first after them. And you eropeans came after us, So? We didn't have to pay rent to nobody, but you guys do. Go do your crying someplace else. You guys should appreciate you guys were allowed in. To share the Land with us. You ppl were homeless.

[Banff]

He's right we did come here on boats with pretty much nothing and that 9 billion = (roughly $4500.00 each)is likely a tiny portion of gas/oil revenues but realisticly alot of claims are made by people with very little native blood some of them are whiter than me

[Knoss]

The problem with using treaty payments as action against blockades is that they are never sanctioned by first nations but rather are the result of independent aboriginal organisations. Of scores money is an issue, if land can not be returned due to development then fair compensation must be paid in most democracies such as our neighbour to the south this is a constitutional right. That being said some land claims predate 1867 and these should be paid by the UK government or the or the Queen’s personal coffers not by Canada.

Quote:

And after that date any blockades will be considered acts of terrorism and the military or police agencies would be legally empowered to respond accordingly.

Not terrorism as these blockades are not violent, but they are illegal and should be broken up as quickly as possible and arrests made.

[Biblical_Christian]

Biblical_Christian wrote:

jimbunting wrote:

The annual Indian bockade season has begun, with occupations of land and contstruction sites in Ontario, and in other parts of Canada.

Isn't is odd that when the Government of Canada sends representatives to discuss things with the Indians, nobody has to guess/wonder who they are? It is quite clear that the Canadian side is made up of elected Members of Parliament, or Provincial Legislature Members, or designated lawyers representing the people of Canada, while on the other side of the table, the Indians are from a large number of groups, none of whom are a "single voice " that is going to be able to get support from all the Indians concerned with the dispute. This is a tactic on the part of the Indians to be able to drag things out, and to create "mental fatigue " in the minds of the Canadian citizens, so they will be more willing to cave in to the demands being made by the Indians. Even at a blockade site it is hard to get ONE Indian spokesperson, instead of 19 of them, all claiming to be "the guy/woman in charge " who speaks foe all the Indians there.


In my opinon, it is NOT about Land, it is about MONEY, and how much each Indian can get of it. With annual Federal Government funding, for Indians at about NINE BILLION DOLLARS a year, the Indians are still not happy, and they are using terror tactics to get their way. What else can it be called when armed, and disguised people carrying automatic weapons, threaten to use, and have used violence ( Oka ) to blackmail Canadians?

It is a strange fact that, while contining to scream about how bad things are, the Indians also continue to accept those monthly cheques, and spend those hateful Canadian dollars. Perhaps the next time that Indians close a road or a railroad line, the cheques should STOP, right across the country, for six months, and see how that feels. They use OUR funding to SUE us, for imagined slights, maybe we can use the same tactic, to cut off their money, which is the REAL thing that they want, from us.

Your comments?

Jim B. Toronto.

Do you want to explain what exactly you are saying, money? How? The Canada makes about 6 trillion dollars on GDP in one year, and thats from our MOTHERLAND. You sure didn't bring any Oil , Gas, Gold, Silver from whatever country you ppl got rejected from. NDN,s managed to get 9 Billion dollars out of that, out of OUR resources. ALL you ppl came in was by boat, with the clothes on your backs, ok? Get your facts straight from your warped mind, ok?

[Biblical_Christian]

Biblical_Christian wrote:

jimbunting wrote:

The annual Indian bockade season has begun, with occupations of land and contstruction sites in Ontario, and in other parts of Canada.

Isn't is odd that when the Government of Canada sends representatives to discuss things with the Indians, nobody has to guess/wonder who they are? It is quite clear that the Canadian side is made up of elected Members of Parliament, or Provincial Legislature Members, or designated lawyers representing the people of Canada, while on the other side of the table, the Indians are from a large number of groups, none of whom are a "single voice " that is going to be able to get support from all the Indians concerned with the dispute. This is a tactic on the part of the Indians to be able to drag things out, and to create "mental fatigue " in the minds of the Canadian citizens, so they will be more willing to cave in to the demands being made by the Indians. Even at a blockade site it is hard to get ONE Indian spokesperson, instead of 19 of them, all claiming to be "the guy/woman in charge " who speaks foe all the Indians there.


In my opinon, it is NOT about Land, it is about MONEY, and how much each Indian can get of it. With annual Federal Government funding, for Indians at about NINE BILLION DOLLARS a year, the Indians are still not happy, and they are using terror tactics to get their way. What else can it be called when armed, and disguised people carrying automatic weapons, threaten to use, and have used violence ( Oka ) to blackmail Canadians?

It is a strange fact that, while contining to scream about how bad things are, the Indians also continue to accept those monthly cheques, and spend those hateful Canadian dollars. Perhaps the next time that Indians close a road or a railroad line, the cheques should STOP, right across the country, for six months, and see how that feels. They use OUR funding to SUE us, for imagined slights, maybe we can use the same tactic, to cut off their money, which is the REAL thing that they want, from us.

Your comments?

Jim B. Toronto.

Do you want to explain what exactly you are saying, money? How? The Canada makes about 6 trillion dollars on GDP in one year, and thats from our MOTHERLAND. You sure didn't bring any Oil , Gas, Gold, Silver from whatever country you ppl came from . NDN,s managed to get 9 Billion dollars out of that, out of OUR resources. ALL you ppl came in was by boat, with the clothes on your backs, ok? Get your facts straight from your warped mind, ok?

[Biblical_Christian]

I was trying to redit some posts, didn't happen.

[stratos]

Biblical_Christian wrote:

"If we came by the beriang striat, Maybe there was nobody here, or they got killed off Nobody knows. We just got here first after them. And you eropeans came after us, So? We didn't have to pay rent to nobody, but you guys do. Go do your crying someplace else. You guys should appreciate you guys were allowed in. To share the Land with us. You ppl were homeless"

If I recall correctly you were a stone age society when the Europeans arrived. Got your arse's kicked and shoved aside. Thus owner ship of the land passed from you. Now all you do is whine and cry. You got here first and did nothing. Europeans came and prospered now your jealous that we actually made something positive out of what you could do nothing with. So you want the profits with out the labor. Typical of a lazy attitude.You should appreciate that a small portion of your stone age people were allowed to live. And that we allow you to live on the land that we took. The same land that you had for thousands of years and did nothing with while not improving your living conditions one bit from the day you arrived.

[Biblical_Christian]

Knoss wrote:

The problem with using treaty payments as action against blockades is that they are never sanctioned by first nations but rather are the result of independent aboriginal organisations. Of scores money is an issue, if land can not be returned due to development then fair compensation must be paid in most democracies such as our neighbour to the south this is a constitutional right. That being said some land claims predate 1867 and these should be paid by the UK government or the or the Queen’s personal coffers not by Canada.

Quote:

And after that date any blockades will be considered acts of terrorism and the military or police agencies would be legally empowered to respond accordingly.

Not terrorism as these blockades are not violent, but they are illegal and should be broken up as quickly as possible and arrests made.

Yes, as long as UK, British, Queen is still on the ,,,,NDN soil. But apparently they are not here, but you ppl are.

[Biblical_Christian]

stratos wrote:

"If we came by the beriang striat, Maybe there was nobody here, or they got killed off Nobody knows. We just got here first after them. And you eropeans came after us, So? We didn't have to pay rent to nobody, but you guys do. Go do your crying someplace else. You guys should appreciate you guys were allowed in. To share the Land with us. You ppl were homeless"

If I recall correctly you were a stone age society when the Europeans arrived. Got your arse's kicked and shoved aside. Thus owner ship of the land passed from you. Now all you do is whine and cry. You got here first and did nothing. Europeans came and prospered now your jealous that we actually made something positive out of what you could do nothing with. So you want the profits with out the labor. Typical of a lazy attitude.You should appreciate that a small portion of your stone age people were allowed to live. And that we allow you to live on the land that we took. The same land that you had for thousands of years and did nothing with while not improving your living conditions one bit from the day you arrived.

It was not a war at all. There was a only frew europeans that were here, the mass of immigrants came way later. If it was a war, HOW would the treatys would ever come about? It so easy to talk so high and mighty now, that you are so settled in now. Let me tell you there was contstant squirmisses, wars. Finally the europeans wanted atreaty.