[ShepherdsDog]

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/ottawa/story/2 ... 80421.html

Maybe some non Mohawk individuals ought to squat on some of their land and claim it for their own

Mohawk warriors is like saying sanitation engineer.

[dino_bobba_renno]

ShepherdsDog wrote:

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/ottawa/story/2008/04/21/ot-deseronto-080421.html

Maybe some non Mohawk individuals ought to squat on some of their land and claim it for their own

Mohawk warriors is like saying sanitation engineer.

Looks like the "look the other way" approach that was used during the Caledonia incident has worked really well. Now every figging idiot "Mohawk warrior" thinks they have some god given right to blocked roads and squat on developers lands when ever the hell they feel like. Kudo's to all levels of government for setting the president of letting these idiots break the law with out any repercussions.

[kenmore]

looking the other way in Caladonia may have had some effect. but it kicked the shit out of property vulues. I have a friend who lives there and he couldnt give his house away. he is still there. would lose something like 100 grand.
I think its time to send in the troups to deal with this shit once and for all.

[Donny_Brasco]

ShepherdsDog wrote:

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/ottawa/story/2008/04/21/ot-deseronto-080421.html

Maybe some non Mohawk individuals ought to squat on some of their land and claim it for their own

Mohawk warriors is like saying sanitation engineer.

Seems to me that it is by the grace of OUR god that you non-aboriginal squatters pass through our lands un-obstructed.

The article clearly says the land is disputed:

Quote:

"The blockade is right along the highway," Const. Jackie Perry of the OPP's_Napanee detachment said. "Basically we're monitoring the situation - keeping the peace and ensuring public safety."

The disputed swath of land is on the Culbertson Tract, an area that is currently under negotiation between the federal government and the native band, she said.

If we were to come take your land and homes away I bet you would fight for them too. Probably not for centuries, as white folk tend to have short, narrow memories, but for a few days at least.

Tread carefully, you are all living on Indian land.

[Donny_Brasco]

Sorry, I was reading the Canada.com article.

http://www.canada.com/topics/news/story.html?id=0313fbf7-698c-46fa-97a9-911ee1fee5fe&k=52439

[BartSimpson]

Donny_Brasco wrote:

Seems to me that it is by the grace of OUR god

What tribe do you belong to that is monotheistic?

[ttruscott]

Are we reading the same story??

"Dozens of aboriginal protesters blocked off a main street through Deseronto, Ont., after a Kingston, Ont., developer announced plans to develop a property that is part of an ongoing land dispute."

Come onto my little acre here and try to develope the part I'm not using and see if all I do is block a road...

[Donny_Brasco]

ttruscott wrote:

Are we reading the same story??

"Dozens of aboriginal protesters blocked off a main street through Deseronto, Ont., after a Kingston, Ont., developer announced plans to develop a property that is part of an ongoing land dispute."

Come onto my little acre here and try to develope the part I'm not using and see if all I do is block a road...

Exactly. So what do you expect?

[Xort]

Donny_Brasco wrote:

Tread carefully, you are all living on Indian land.

No, we are mostly living on our own land. Or maybe more accurately our bank's land but very clearly not Indian land.

We have given the natives of this nation every chance and advantage that we could to try and prosper. I have no guilt or belief that I own them as a group collectively or at a individual level anything.

Just as I don't try and live my life as a darkages thrall, they shouldn't try and live as a stone age hunter gatherer.

Land dispute, Claiming to own the whole nation isn't a dispute it's retoric.

Rather than trying to be the eternal victim why not come join the rest of the nation and enjoy one of the highest standards of living in the world, long life, good education, freedoms, the marvel of modern technology?

[RoyalHighlander]

ShepherdsDog wrote:

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/ottawa/story/2008/04/21/ot-deseronto-080421.html

Maybe some non Mohawk individuals ought to squat on some of their land and claim it for their own

Mohawk warriors is like saying sanitation engineer.

Why are you comparing them to sanitation engineers??.. I'd really like to hear your explanation on that comment

[Donny_Brasco]

Xort wrote:

Donny_Brasco wrote:

Tread carefully, you are all living on Indian land.

No, we are mostly living on our own land. Or maybe more accurately our bank's land but very clearly not Indian land.

We have given the natives of this nation every chance and advantage that we could to try and prosper. I have no guilt or belief that I own them as a group collectively or at a individual level anything.

Just as I don't try and live my life as a darkages thrall, they shouldn't try and live as a stone age hunter gatherer.

Land dispute, Claiming to own the whole nation isn't a dispute it's retoric.

Rather than trying to be the eternal victim why not come join the rest of the nation and enjoy one of the highest standards of living in the world, long life, good education, freedoms, the marvel of modern technology?

Well the supreme court and 1000 land claims says you are wrong.

How about you pay for what you claim is yours or give it back and we'll stop asking about it. And then we'll make our own way in this world without having to wait for you to give us permission to do so.

[BartSimpson]

Xort wrote:

Donny_Brasco wrote:

Tread carefully, you are all living on Indian land.

No, we are mostly living on our own land. Or maybe more accurately our bank's land but very clearly not Indian land.

Not really. Not to agree with Donny, but what land that has been ceded to the natives is, indeed, their land.

As to the rest of the people in Canada, nowhere does the Charter award you any property rights. You therefore have no rights to property at all, merely privileges that exist at the whim of your government. All land is therefore Crown land.

While entrenching that right into the Charter has been proposed in the past (see http://dsp-psd.pwgsc.gc.ca/Collection-R ... p268-e.htm ) such has never happened.

Therefore, natives are the only people in Canada who actually own their property be that property land, cars, structures, or personal possessions.

The rest of you have no specified property rights and can be deprived of anything by government process, decree, or even fiat as there is no right to contest the deprivation of a right that is not acknowledged in the first place.

[Xort]

Donny_Brasco wrote:

Well the supreme court and 1000 land claims says you are wrong.

How about you pay for what you claim is yours or give it back and we'll stop asking about it. And then we'll make our own way in this world without having to wait for you to give us permission to do so.

Ok how much do you want?

But after the payout you are Canadian citizens with no other status. Deal?

[Chumley]

Xort wrote:

Donny_Brasco wrote:

Well the supreme court and 1000 land claims says you are wrong.

How about you pay for what you claim is yours or give it back and we'll stop asking about it. And then we'll make our own way in this world without having to wait for you to give us permission to do so.

Ok how much do you want?

But after the payout you are Canadian citizens with no other status. Deal?

hmmm, after reading what bart just wrote above, I think we are going the wrong way on this. Why don't we all start fighting for the right to own all the land that the indians don't already own, and the crown can have none.

[Xort]

BartSimpson wrote:

As to the rest of the people in Canada, nowhere does the Charter award you any property rights. You therefore have no rights to property at all, merely privileges that exist at the whim of your government. All land is therefore Crown land.

Great a constitutional lawyer.
Ok let start at the begining.

Their is no set constitutional provision for the protection of property, true. However, the courts as empowered by the constitution have followed some/most of British Common Law which as a mass of laws established interpritations does provide a from of protection for property.

Quote:

Therefore, natives are the only people in Canada who actually own their property be that property land, cars, structures, or personal possessions.

Incorrect and misleading. Their is no stated protection for the confiscation of propert or even a well established standard of what property is. (Most of the confusion on what property is, is over somewhat questionable things like mining rights, quotas or legal operation.) But real items like property [land] and belongings are well defined as property, and confiscation while not constitutionaly prohibitied, is required to include compensation.

People do own their property.

Quote:

The rest of you have no specified property rights and can be deprived of anything by government process, decree, or even fiat as there is no right to contest the deprivation of a right that is not acknowledged in the first place.

True in enough way to be correct that I'l let it pass, but remember that while they can take it way they must also compensate you for it.

The suggestion that non natives do not own property is silly, misleading, wrong and deseptive.