[fifeboy]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Coach85 Coach85:

I'm sick of you and the Natives playing this card. every. single. time.

Yes, there is bad past with our Country and the Native community. That's long over.

It's not the fault of the Whites that Natives make up the majority of certain prison populations. It's their fault.

It's not the fault of the Whites that there's rampant alcoholism and abuse on reserves. It's their fault.

It's not the fault of Whites that Natives opt to live in 3rd World conditions. It's their fault.

It's time for the Native community to take ownership of the problems that plague their people and stop blaming it on whitey.

Time to move on and take some responsibility.

Well, isn't that convenient. Time for the natives take responsibility, but no responsibility for Canada for everything that's happened up until now because "that's long over."

It doesn't work that way, I'm afraid. A nation doesn't just get to give itself a pass to prior actions it took, any more than a person does. And the courts have been very clear on this issue--there are aboriginal rights and title, and those people do have rights and title to land in Canada. And the government has been very clear that the practice of forcibly removing children from their homes was wrong and caused great harm.

So, no, you don't just get to wash your hands of it all, sorry.

Thank you. I have (for reasons I stated a while back) avoided speaking on this issue. What you said here is right on.

[Thanos]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Coach85 Coach85:

I'm sick of you and the Natives playing this card. every. single. time.

Yes, there is bad past with our Country and the Native community. That's long over.

It's not the fault of the Whites that Natives make up the majority of certain prison populations. It's their fault.

It's not the fault of the Whites that there's rampant alcoholism and abuse on reserves. It's their fault.

It's not the fault of Whites that Natives opt to live in 3rd World conditions. It's their fault.

It's time for the Native community to take ownership of the problems that plague their people and stop blaming it on whitey.

Time to move on and take some responsibility.

Well, isn't that convenient. Time for the natives take responsibility, but no responsibility for Canada for everything that's happened up until now because "that's long over."

It doesn't work that way, I'm afraid. A nation doesn't just get to give itself a pass to prior actions it took, any more than a person does. And the courts have been very clear on this issue--there are aboriginal rights and title, and those people do have rights and title to land in Canada. And the government has been very clear that the practice of forcibly removing children from their homes was wrong and caused great harm.

So, no, you don't just get to wash your hands of it all, sorry.

None of this has anything to do with anything we know of that was presented as evidence or argument in the Stanley trial. Is your contention that Boushie and his friends had a right to terrorize local farmers because of what happened in the residential schools or from the government seizing children back in the 1960's? If this is your claim, that Natives are literally exempt from the law, then please clearly say so.

[Tricks]

JaredMilne JaredMilne:

BRAH BRAH:

Weibo Ludwig walked free for the same incident and no one seemed to care because the victim was white.

And should Ludwig have walked free in the first place?

Not the same really, considering the police couldn't determine who fired the shot. Pretty hard to charge someone when you don't know who shot the gun.

$1:

Yeah, but that's the thing. Stanley was charged with manslaughter, but he got acquitted for that along with the murder.

IOW, the jury fucked up.

If you had a firearm and four people were a potential threat to you and your family, would you point it at them?

[Coach85]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Well, isn't that convenient. Time for the natives take responsibility, but no responsibility for Canada for everything that's happened up until now because "that's long over."

It doesn't work that way, I'm afraid. A nation doesn't just get to give itself a pass to prior actions it took, any more than a person does. And the courts have been very clear on this issue--there are aboriginal rights and title, and those people do have rights and title to land in Canada. And the government has been very clear that the practice of forcibly removing children from their homes was wrong and caused great harm.

So, no, you don't just get to wash your hands of it all, sorry.

Sorry, who's taken a pass?

What else is left to do? How many times do we have to apologize for the past?

None of these types of issues have any effect on the types of young men coming out of these reserves.

How many decades or centuries will pass on before the FN's decide to take some responsibility for themselves?

[Coach85]

JaredMilne JaredMilne:

Coach85 Coach85:

I'm sick of you and the Natives playing this card. every. single. time.

Yes, there is bad past with our Country and the Native community. That's long over.

It's not the fault of the Whites that Natives make up the majority of certain prison populations. It's their fault.

It's not the fault of the Whites that there's rampant alcoholism and abuse on reserves. It's their fault.

It's not the fault of Whites that Natives opt to live in 3rd World conditions. It's their fault.

It's time for the Native community to take ownership of the problems that plague their people and stop blaming it on whitey.

Time to move on and take some responsibility.

...Wow.

Have you ever even tried to see the Indigenous point of view, or seen what they've said and written? Let me give you the Cole's Notes version as I understand it from what I've seen and read:

You're living in a territory that's tied deeply into your identity. The land is your livelihood, sense of self, and religious faith all at once. Then, some new people come in. Nothing wrong with that-in most cases, you sign an agreement with them to share the land for mutual benefit. They promise you'll be able to continue those aspects of your life that are a key part of your identity-that define who you are-and that you'll get a good education to cope with the coming changes.

Then things start to change. The new arrivals start doing things that disrupt your ability to live with the land-which, again, is your religious faith and sense of self all at once, along with your livelihood. Sometimes you're attacked when you try to use parts of the land you thought you could. Sometimes you're attacked for your faith, even after you convert to the new arrivals' Christianity. The schools you are promised are undefunded shitholes where your kids do more gruntwork than actual studying, when they aren't shivering in unheated, overcrowded conditions or being physically and sexually abused. You're abused for decades, told that everything that makes you who you are is trash. You protest peacefully at this, and resort to violence only when you feel your back is against the wall. Then when violence breaks out, you're scapegoated for it, even though some rednecks south of the border can do the exact same thing and be hailed as heroes for it.

The communities where you're made to live are a small portion of what you're promised. You're forcibly relocated at bureaucrats' whims, you get little practical education, parts of your community can be arbitrarily removed, you can be forcibly dragged off to those hellhole schools, bureaucrats try to control your life in ways that Communists would envy, even to the point of trying to dictate who you marry. Then, when often you're so screwed up because of everything you had to go through, your kids get seized, taken away from their own identities and sense of who they are too.

Your communities are chronically underfunded, even as the new arrivals force you to draft all kinds of reports and continue to oversee your community's activities, putting you under 3rd party management, while your leaders have less power than municipal councils and often not a lot of capacity to build them. The new arrivals' own human rights commissions even show that you and your kin are being underfunded, but the new arrivals' government ignores this.

You're told that you're lazy and inefficient, and that you should go to the city to get a job. When you do, you're often stereotyped as a lazy drunk, followed in stores because you're suspected of being a thief, and subject to physical and sexual violence, sometimes even from the police who are supposed to protect you. You're constantly told that your identity and your heritage are trash, and that you should be ashamed of who you are.

Your small communities are an implicit recognition of your Treaty rights, rights that are integral to who you are. Asking you to abandon them is like asking you to peel off your own skin.

But apparently everything's your fault and you're the only one who needs to change.

Do they not have to accept any responsibility for their actions?

Does the 22-year-old kid who runs and kills a local store owner get to claim he did it because he was upset about land claims?

At what point do FN people have to take 100% responsibility for themselves?

Lastly, how exactly does your post relate to a bunch of punk kids that could care less about the history of their culture and are far more interested in robbing people and getting hammered daily?

None of this applies to the host of young people in the SUV during this tragic event.

[Coach85]

Thanos Thanos:

None of this has anything to do with anything we know of that was presented as evidence or argument in the Stanley trial. Is your contention that Boushie and his friends had a right to terrorize local farmers because of what happened in the residential schools or from the government seizing children back in the 1960's? If this is your claim, that Natives are literally exempt from the law, then please clearly say so.

That's exactly what we're being told.

Natives don't have to take responsibly for themselves or their actions because some very bad stuff happened and the blame for it all lies at the feel of the white man. Then and now.

[Thanos]

And forever too apparently.

[BRAH]

Maybe the parents need to take some responsibility.

[housewife]

Coach85 Coach85:

Thanos Thanos:

None of this has anything to do with anything we know of that was presented as evidence or argument in the Stanley trial. Is your contention that Boushie and his friends had a right to terrorize local farmers because of what happened in the residential schools or from the government seizing children back in the 1960's? If this is your claim, that Natives are literally exempt from the law, then please clearly say so.

That's exactly what we're being told.

Natives don't have to take responsibly for themselves or their actions because some very bad stuff happened and the blame for it all lies at the feel of the white man. Then and now.

Oh ffs everyone uses that as a defense no matter race or gender. You may be sick of the race card I’m sick of people tarring every native with what you think you know about all.

[Thanos]

BRAH BRAH:

Maybe the parents need to take some responsibility.

Going by Shep's horror stories that is something that will never happen.

[BRAH]

Thanos Thanos:

BRAH BRAH:

Maybe the parents need to take some responsibility.

Going by Shep's horror stories that is something that will never happen.

Therein lies the problem because it's easier to play the race card then for the parents to own the fact they had a responsibility and failed which tragically cost their son his life.

[Thanos]

BRAH BRAH:

Thanos Thanos:

BRAH BRAH:

Maybe the parents need to take some responsibility.

Going by Shep's horror stories that is something that will never happen.

Therein lies the problem because it's easier to play the race card then for the parents to own the fact they had a responsibility and failed which tragically cost their son his life.

Some of the hard-left commentary out there right now is really horrifying. The Stanleys and the other farmers are being referred to as "settlers", and the "argument" is pretty much being openly made that, just by virtue of being Native, Colten Boushie and his friends had the absolute right to go onto anyone else's property anytime they wanted to, to steal anything they wanted to take, and to do anything they wanted to the people living there. Tack on the truly reckless interference being done by Trudeau and his ministers and this thing is turning into a bad joke.

[Coach85]

housewife housewife:

Oh ffs everyone uses that as a defense no matter race or gender. You may be sick of the race card I’m sick of people tarring every native with what you think you know about all.

Let me get this straight...you're sick of Natives being tarred yet you've got no problem tarring everyone else saying they play the race card too?

What Natives have told us is that these young men were just out for a drive with friends and nobody, not his family or community, is taking responsibility for his actions. All of the blame lies with the man he and his friends tried to rob while armed, drunk and with 3 tires on their vehicle.

Oh, and the entire jury is racist.

There is not a single group in this Country that uses their race and culture to excuse their actions quite like our First Nations.

[Thanos]

Coach85 Coach85:

housewife housewife:

Oh ffs everyone uses that as a defense no matter race or gender. You may be sick of the race card I’m sick of people tarring every native with what you think you know about all.

Let me get this straight...you're sick of Natives being tarred yet you've got no problem tarring everyone else saying they play the race card too?

What Natives have told us is that these young men were just out for a drive with friends and nobody, not his family or community, is taking responsibility for his actions. All of the blame lies with the man he and his friends tried to rob while armed, drunk and with 3 tires on their vehicle.

Oh, and the entire jury is racist.

There is not a single group in this Country that uses their race and culture to excuse their actions quite like our First Nations.

Black Lives Matter.

[newz]

Coach85 Coach85:

Thanos Thanos:

None of this has anything to do with anything we know of that was presented as evidence or argument in the Stanley trial. Is your contention that Boushie and his friends had a right to terrorize local farmers because of what happened in the residential schools or from the government seizing children back in the 1960's? If this is your claim, that Natives are literally exempt from the law, then please clearly say so.

That's exactly what we're being told.

Natives don't have to take responsibly for themselves or their actions because some very bad stuff happened and the blame for it all lies at the feel of the white man. Then and now.

And that is just it coach. It will never end. Never mind 4x4s, never mind internet, never mind gang banger hats, it will never be enough for some until we all die. Never mind that we are (as white devils) quite willing to put you through university and give every hand up to help. Better to keep blaming whitey for all their ills. Much easier that way. C'mon people take some responsibility for you actions.

Plenty of aboriginals bitch an moan about how the Manitoba government takes those children away. Yet when called to the scene social workers find no food and parents absent. So yes coach, people of all colors and stripes have to stand up and do better.
And particularly native folk. FFS if you have children, feed them. Read to them, be a fucking parent. You want them to keep living in a shithole?