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PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2018 8:24 am
 


http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatoon ... -1.4516243


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2018 8:27 am
 


Yup. And it looks so far, as I expected. :(


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The changing and conflicting stories and witnesses admitting to lying aren't helping things at all. I think that Stanley will at least be charged with manslaughter if they prove it was an accidental discharge. It really reveals problems that exist on both sides in the area and Canada in general.

However, the point that was made by Boushie's cousin is important. Stanley is on trial, not the 'witnesses' to the shooting. Those issues, which include attempted theft and assault will have to be dealt with at a later time. The relationship between Aboriginals and non-Aboriginals will not be disappearing anytime soon.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2018 9:06 am
 


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The changing and conflicting stories and witnesses admitting to lying aren't helping things at all. I think that Stanley will at least be charged with manslaughter if they prove it was an accidental discharge. It really reveals problems that exist on both sides in the area and Canada in general.


I think he was just protecting himself. One of the things I read was the coroner testified the rifle found beside Bouchie was likely in the vehicle with Bouchie, along the door with the butt at his feet. That, and Stanley's son testifying that people got out of the truck and tried to steal another truck on the property and an ATV, just seems like what I was suspecting. Rural theft. With no bullet being found before the vehicle was released from evidence, it's unlikely that we'll know which weapon killed Bouchie. Without that, there is always reasonable doubt that it was his own weapon.

And Bouchie's truck was riding on the rim. It might have had a flat, but that was torn off, miles before arriving. They weren't there for help with a flat tire.


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However, the point that was made by Boushie's cousin is important. Stanley is on trial, not the 'witnesses' to the shooting. Those issues, which include attempted theft and assault will have to be dealt with at a later time. The relationship between Aboriginals and non-Aboriginals will not be disappearing anytime soon.


Very true, but that's how murder trials go. Witnesses are notoriously unreliable. Poking holes in stories is how you create reasonable doubt.

And yea, this does little to smooth things over between Aboriginals and anyone else. :(


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2018 9:26 am
 


Over 700 people were summoned for jury selection and only 200 showed up. I think we know why.


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Yup. And it looks so far, as I expected. :(


You are expecting him to be convicted for murder, is that why the sadsmiley ?

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With no bullet being found before the vehicle was released from evidence, it's unlikely that we'll know which weapon killed Bouchie


Shouldn't there be a bullet, like, in his head ?

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The changing and conflicting stories and witnesses admitting to lying aren't helping things at all. I think that Stanley will at least be charged with manslaughter if they prove it was an accidental discharge.


I wouldn't even go that far. The son managed to testify the father's claim of the gun going off
accidentally, and given one witnesses openly lying, and another one saying saying 2 shots when there was only one,
that sounds pretty reasonable.


I would let that testimony ride, the son is a reliable witness,
and keep the father off the stand.






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Over 700 people were summoned for jury selection and only 200 showed up. I think we know why.


All white jury. This, of course, is just racist.
Because 500 other people couldn't be bothered to show up. :roll:


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Yup. And it looks so far, as I expected. :(


You are expecting him to be convicted for murder, is that why the sadsmiley ?


Nope. I expected it to be a racist shitshow.

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Shouldn't there be a bullet, like, in his head ?


Or, it went right through and kept going.


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Nope. I expected it to be a racist shitshow.


Already is, when the Indians are whining about the jury.
never mind none of their brothers could be bothered to show up.





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Or, it went right through and kept going.


They should be able to tell the difference between
a pistol and a rifle.

If they can't, I call that reasonable doubt.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2018 1:25 pm
 


An RCMP firearms expert says there appears to be no reason for the pistol in question to misfire. It'll be interesting to hear the explanation as to why Boushie and his buddies were driving around with a loaded rifle. I remember reading or hearing on the radio, shortly after the shooting, how a neighbour reported them sneaking around their property and that they were armed. The neighbour had phoned the Stanley house about it. That could be grounds for a perceived threat and use of deadly force.


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Over 700 people were summoned for jury selection and only 200 showed up. I think we know why.


Exactly.

To put it mildly this trial has turned into a gong show especially given the unreliability of the witnesses but, the one thing I took away from the last update I saw was that Bouchie's family and friends weren't to happy with the jury selection. Apparently they wanted a large native representation on it, a fact which had it happened would have meant that Stanley wouldn't have been tried by a "jury of his peers" but in fact by a "biased" jury and likely have led to a mistrial.

So, no matter how this ends it's likely going to be a trigger point on both sides for more claims of racism and violence.


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Jurors told to apply 'common sense' to inconsistent witness accounts

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The Saskatchewan judge presiding over Gerald Stanley's murder trial today advised jurors on how to navigate the contradictions in testimony they have heard this week.

"Common sense tells you that if a witness says one thing in the witness box, but has said something quite different on an earlier occasion, this may reduce the value of his or her evidence," Chief Justice of Saskatchewan's Court of Queen's Bench Martel Popescul told the five men and seven women on the jury.


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One of the other SUV passengers, Cassidy Cross-Whitstone, 18, testified this week that he previously did not tell the truth about trying to break into a truck on another property near the Stanley farm and about how much he'd had to drink that day.

"I lied about that," said Cross-Whitstone, adding that he was afraid of losing his driver's licence.

Another SUV passenger, Belinda Jackson, 24, said in a previous statement that the only person with a gun at the farm that day was a woman outside the SUV.

But on Thursday, she told jurors she saw Stanley shoot Boushie twice in the head while he was sitting in the SUV.

"It doesn't make any sense," said defence attorney Scott Spencer of that and other inconsistencies.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 10:25 am
 


Closing arguments being presented in the Stanley trial

Regardless of the finding or the sentence, there's going to be pissed off people. Things won't improve until rural policing is addressed and improved. Those living in rural areas have to be secure and confident that they can rely on the police to respond in a timely manner. If not, you'll see a repeat of this case, as people protect themselves and what is theirs.


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Things won't improve until rural policing is addressed and improved. Those living in rural areas have to be secure and confident that they can rely on the police to respond in a timely manner. If not, you'll see a repeat of this case, as people protect themselves and what is theirs.


Never going to happen. :( Canada is too big, and people would crap themselves if every populated place needed even 2 hour coverage from the RCMP, or provincial police. 5 minute coverage would be very cost prohibitive, but that is what's needed to avoid imminent home invasions.

I hate to go there, but what needs to be is a strengthening of the "Castle Doctrine" so that people can defend their own land from thieves and home invaders with deadly force. That would give potential violent offenders something to think long and hard about. Do they want an 'easy' score that can wind up making them a statistic, or just another unmarked hole in the north 40.


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I hate to go there, but what needs to be is a strengthening of the "Castle Doctrine" so that people can defend their own land from thieves and home invaders with deadly force.


Good post.

It is the only solution, when the police do not have the resources for effective policing,
and the government has abrogated its' responsibility for punishing criminals.

Citizens must be allowed to protect themselves.


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DrCaleb wrote:
ShepherdsDog wrote:
Things won't improve until rural policing is addressed and improved. Those living in rural areas have to be secure and confident that they can rely on the police to respond in a timely manner. If not, you'll see a repeat of this case, as people protect themselves and what is theirs.


Never going to happen. :( Canada is too big, and people would crap themselves if every populated place needed even 2 hour coverage from the RCMP, or provincial police. 5 minute coverage would be very cost prohibitive, but that is what's needed to avoid imminent home invasions.

I hate to go there, but what needs to be is a strengthening of the "Castle Doctrine" so that people can defend their own land from thieves and home invaders with deadly force. That would give potential violent offenders something to think long and hard about. Do they want an 'easy' score that can wind up making them a statistic, or just another unmarked hole in the north 40.


R=UP

Unfortunately that's unlikely to happen. For decades successive Gov'ts with assistance from the RCMP and local police forces have been systematically attempting to denude homeowners and law abiding citizens from the ability to defend themselves and things like these examples reflect that policy.

http://nationalpost.com/news/canada/man ... -attackers

http://nationalpost.com/news/canada/man ... nside-home

http://thechronicleherald.ca/novascotia ... me-charged

And for the record it's not just being charged with murder or assault when defending yourself that has to change. There has to be some recourse for the wrongly accused to seek redress against their accusers, because, no matter what the court outcome is, these people's lives are usually ruined and their reputations shot from simply defending themselves.


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