[PJB]

OK CDNbear...Natives have not ever broken a treaty...Hmmmm a little research might prove that wrong...What about all these reserves under various treaties that allow the sale of alcohol on reserve where the treaties specifically state that alcohol is forbidden on reserve..

Sounds like a breach to me. But then again I guess you interpret things differently than I do.

[CDNBear]

HyperionTheEvil wrote:

I had wondered when the when the truth would out.

Which truth, the one that you obviously have no idea of the mechanisms at play here, the fact that you do not know me at all or my community at all?

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If peaceful means dont work for you, then violence is the answer it seems for the groups your speaking of. Your unhappy with the way you claim Canad has treated indians, unhappy to the point where you seem to be advocatiing violence, and since it clear the indians fom 'six nations' i imagine you endorse that too

No I do not, as GFPB can attest to.

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Just so long as were clear.

Not possible, you do not know enough of my communities history, the history of Canada and/of the history of treaties.

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While you may work for a living, you may pay taxes, as a status indian you are still given more rights than any other canadian doing the same type of work for the simple reason of pigmentation of thier skin. There is no legitimate case for the 'calims' of ownership , and the arrangments you mentioned are not 'internationally' recognized as between nations, since the indians groups of that time were not and ill say it again are not nations.

Prove that. I do not get any more then the other guy(Non native) with a welding rig on the same job as me.

Not a thing.

I built my business from the ground up with my own money, leveraged my house to the hilt to do it to.

Once again you prove you know nothing of the history of the Six Nations, the oldest and longest running participatory democracy on the planet. A nation, that so captuerd the eye of the founding fathers of the US, that the US constitution is loosely based on the constitution of the Six Nations of the Haudenosuanee. So yes, we were a Nation, long before many others.

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You mentioned that the 'Commenwealth' has accepted these arrangments that you have as biding, and you see to look towards the World Court and the UN. The reaity as ive pointed out before that neither of those two bodies have any jurisdiction in Canadian affairs unless the government allows them to. If the basis for your recognition of those arrangments centers on those two bodies then im afraid one can state they're 'recognized' all day - it doesnt change the fact is that Canada has and always will have the the option of simply refusing to accept their authority in internal Canadian matters.

And as I may have not made clear enough to you, Canada is a sigatory on several International agreements on Aboriginal rights and Treaties, recognising the Treaties as binding agreements. As well as the fact that Canada does and has historicaly accept and acknowlegde both venues.

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Facts are still this is that the foloowrs and believers in the current indian agenda lose more sympathy everyday. Canada has moved into the 21 century and these days the average citizen there is no such thing as a free lunch (or house for that matter.

I agree. I buy mine.

The current agenda is out of wack, touch and in some cases, thoroughly out of this world.

But I'm not one of those that blindly follows the leader either.

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So by all means encourage violence, do what they did in Caledonia and assault retired couples while in their cars, attack camermen, try to kill police officers as again indians tried to do in Caldedonia. So while we hear you 'complaints' and your 'claims' we, in that the rest of Canada - just wonder why you dont 'get it'. Instead on whinging about 'your land' indians would be far better off by going to where opportunities are, to expect canadian tax-payers to pay indians - to be indians - And if the electorate decides its time to end it. Thats thier decision. And if indian groups resort to more violence - then the only bad guys in the public mind will be indians themselves.

I would agree, but once again, you are focusing on the minority, not the majority. If it was the majority on the blockades, you'ld have to recall the Troops from Afghanistan to deal with it.

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And as always indians have no one but themselves to blame

Of course, no one else shares in it at all. Now I know where your mind is at, I see no reason to give your uninformed rants much credence in the future.

[CDNBear]

PJB wrote:

OK CDNbear...Natives have not ever broken a treaty...Hmmmm a little research might prove that wrong...What about all these reserves under various treaties that allow the sale of alcohol on reserve where the treaties specifically state that alcohol is forbidden on reserve..

I never said they hadn't! But those are lwas not treaties. You need to read up on the difference.

I know that they have, on many occasion and on many reserves had prohibitions, I'm not aware of any being treaty obligated. If so, and it is condoned by the Council, then that should be delt with on a singular level. You are setting your precieved prejudices on the entire First Nations. For as many bad things you can hilight, I can hilight more positives.

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Sounds like a breach to me. But then again I guess you interpret things differently than I do.

Yes I do. I do not judge all Non natives as you judge all Natives. I give respect when it is due. I show that in how I capitalize the "N" in Non native, I show it further by not lowering myself to cast all Non natives in the same light, as you have done to me.