[BartSimpson]

Abbas wrote:

Well, Bart, you missed a huge piece of the puzzle, which we talk about almost every single day. WAR. Countries that have been in WAR, are less likely to stablize since their government was proved to be weak. Once a country is in turmoil, every politician wants to be the Hero and they step up to the plate for the time being. Once the WAR, is won or lost, the country has used up lots of its resources and its economy is shattered due to loss of man power and readjustments that must be made throughout the Economy. Keep in mind that I am speaking of countries that are already poor and they still go to WAR. Aka, Pakistan.

Countries like Saudie or UAE or Dubai tend to have less migration, which is because they take care of their own. But, regardless, some people may move because they simply want to MOVE.

Canada is a popular migration spot because it is rarely in WAR, it has a stable economy, jobs are easy to find and housing isn't a problem. If you look at USA on the other hand, its the total opposite. These are the luxeries that I spoke of earlier. We live peacefully and enjoy many things that most countries cannot offer. Mainly, a huge pay check because of our currency value world wide. This pay check can mean alot to someone who has a family to support back in there home country. Is that enough or need more Bart?

Cuba has never been in a war in the past 100 years so please explain why they are not richer than Canada which has been in four major conflicts during the same period?

[Abbas]

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Cuba has never been in a war in the past 100 years so please explain why they are not richer than Canada which has been in four major conflicts during the same period?

Maybe because Cuba isn't so close to America? ever think of that?

Canada is not a third world country and it has never been because it has always been supported by the British as a colony, no matter what. Plus, our economy is moving because we have loads of oil and barely an oppulation to support. We have alot of money and very few people to feed.

[BartSimpson]

Abbas wrote:

I am more Canadian then you will ever be

I'm not sure how that's possible when you've said that you're a muslim first and a Canadian second. Your words, not mine.

[Abbas]

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I'm not sure how that's possible when you've said that you're a muslim first and a Canadian second. Your words, not mine.

Well, more Canadian then him lol. He lives for his religions like I live for mine, so we both hold our religion before being Canadian. After that, if we were to do the math, I believe I take the lead.

[BartSimpson]

Abbas wrote:

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Cuba has never been in a war in the past 100 years so please explain why they are not richer than Canada which has been in four major conflicts during the same period?

Maybe because Cuba isn't so close to America? ever think of that?

Have you ever looked at a map? Ever think of that? All of Cuba is closer to the USA than most of Canada.

Abbas wrote:

Canada is not a third world country and it has never been because it has always been supported by the British as a colony, no matter what.

Canada since 1867 has supported Britain, not the other way around.

Abbas wrote:

Plus, our economy is moving because we have loads of oil and barely an oppulation to support. We have alot of money and very few people to feed.

If money is what makes a people prosperous then please explain why most people in Iraq and Iran are poor despite such sizable wealth in oil?

Canada, on the other hand, was successful and prosperous long before oil was discovered and developed so your argument that Canadians owe their propserity to oil is incorrect.

[PJB]

BartSimpson wrote:

Abbas wrote:

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Cuba has never been in a war in the past 100 years so please explain why they are not richer than Canada which has been in four major conflicts during the same period?

Maybe because Cuba isn't so close to America? ever think of that?

Have you ever looked at a map? Ever think of that? All of Cuba is closer to the USA than most of Canada.

Abbas wrote:

Canada is not a third world country and it has never been because it has always been supported by the British as a colony, no matter what.

Canada since 1867 has supported Britain, not the other way around.

Abbas wrote:

Plus, our economy is moving because we have loads of oil and barely an oppulation to support. We have alot of money and very few people to feed.

If money is what makes a people prosperous then please explain why most people in Iraq and Iran are poor despite such sizable wealth in oil?

Canada, on the other hand, was successful and prosperous long before oil was discovered and developed so your argument that Canadians owe their propserity to oil is incorrect.

Have to agree with you Bart. Both Canada and the United States were prosperous because of the first immigrants that came across from Europe. The European work ethic in the early years of our two countries made us prosperous even before oil was discovered and the dependancy upon it created. Granted both nations have had some very dark moments ie Slavery and the US Civil War and our rather strained relationship with the FN's here in Canada we have both grown and prospered.

[BartSimpson]

PJB wrote:

Have to agree with you Bart. Both Canada and the United States were prosperous because of the first immigrants that came across from Europe. The European work ethic in the early years of our two countries made us prosperous even before oil was discovered and the dependancy upon it created. Granted both nations have had some very dark moments ie Slavery and the US Civil War and our rather strained relationship with the FN's here in Canada we have both grown and prospered.

It isn't just our work ethic - it is our culture. Equal justice under the law is vastly important to us and concepts like fairness are deeply ingrained in us since childhood.

Consequently, contracts in our countries have a value that transcends who is involved in them.

If Stephen Harper signs a contract with you buying a car from you for $5,000 then he'd better pay up or a court will force him to pay up.

Name a third world country where the leader of the country can be ordered to obey the law by his own courts?

Because we believe in justice and fairness we have become wealthy because people can be trusted to keep their word and they can expect to have their word enforced if needed.

Not so many years ago China did not care about contracts and they voided them all the time just because they felt like it. Foreign capital fled China in droves in the early 1990's because of this.

Now China enforces contracts and they are starting to enforce international copyrights, patents, and trademarks.

And their people are becoming wealthy.

[Biblical_Christian]

ABBS. Thanking you for coming here? I gotta think about that. You are here to build up Canada? No. Canada has been well established, build up already. Your idea of Canada is, People walking around with there hands chopped off, for minor offenses of theft. And You want to see public hangings. I see what they do, from people you represent. Abbas. you can't fool me. Going back to my last posts, regarding what we have contributed? The LAnd that You yourself drive on and what you stand on. Before anything can be build up there has to be a land base. So that is what we have contributed. What did you contribute/ Nothing really. taxes? big deal all OFF reserve NDN,s pay taxes all the time. All the stores are all mostly in the white society. By the way we have been paying taxes ever since the TAXES were introduced. Hiddin taxes, Oil , gas, tobacco, and Liquoir. So, even on top of ALL our contribution of LAND. The NDN,s STILL contributed by the building of Canada, way before you ever showed up here. GRINGO.

[Biblical_Christian]

One NDN 's experience. I am only 33, and I remember when my grampa was pulled over by the conservation officer when I was around 6 or 8 years old? The CO knew my grampa, knew that my grampa had every right to fish and hunt, knew that my grampa sold moose hide for years in Prince George. The CO knew my grampa had so many loved ones who depended on the fish and meat he brought to Prince George from Babine Lake. My grampa was pulled over, had his fish n meat taken away, and his moose hide was all he had. He sold his hide and gave whatever money he could to the ones he brought fish n meat to. And went on a drunk. Came back to Babine Lake broke, and went on a multi-month drunk. The entire nation heard about how the CO shamed my grampa. This great Hereditary Chief of the 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, and early 90s. And his wish was to drink as he cursed Canada. And everyone showed up to grant him more of his wish. All over one CO who decided to shame my grampa on behalf of Canada. For even in the late 70s, indians were NOT allowed to transport fish OR meat on "Crownland" highways. Wasn't fair to "Canadians." I could go on and on and on, but I would have to end up writing volumes like Redfoxxx. LAZY NDN? ahrdly The NDN was programmed to be Idle. We were not allowed to leave the reserve for many years. Not even to distrubute any inventions.

[ziggy]

Biblical_Christian wrote:

One NDN 's experience. I am only 33, and I remember when my grampa was pulled over by the conservation officer when I was around 6 or 8 years old? The CO knew my grampa, knew that my grampa had every right to fish and hunt, knew that my grampa sold moose hide for years in Prince George. The CO knew my grampa had so many loved ones who depended on the fish and meat he brought to Prince George from Babine Lake. My grampa was pulled over, had his fish n meat taken away, and his moose hide was all he had. He sold his hide and gave whatever money he could to the ones he brought fish n meat to. And went on a drunk. Came back to Babine Lake broke, and went on a multi-month drunk. The entire nation heard about how the CO shamed my grampa. This great Hereditary Chief of the 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, and early 90s. And his wish was to drink as he cursed Canada. And everyone showed up to grant him more of his wish. All over one CO who decided to shame my grampa on behalf of Canada. For even in the late 70s, indians were NOT allowed to transport fish OR meat on "Crownland" highways. Wasn't fair to "Canadians." I could go on and on and on, but I would have to end up writing volumes like Redfoxxx. LAZY NDN? ahrdly The NDN was programmed to be Idle. We were not allowed to leave the reserve for many years. Not even to distrubute any inventions.

Babine lake? Who are you,chauchee or his little brother?

[Biblical_Christian]

Nope. I am me. Former fact remains. I'm still dishing out that too.

[ziggy]

Biblical_Christian wrote:

Nope. I am me. Former fact remains. I'm still dishing out that too.

You must be chauchees buddy then.

[BartSimpson]

Biblical_Christian wrote:

One NDN 's experience. I am only 33, and I remember when my grampa was pulled over by the conservation officer when I was around 6 or 8 years old? The CO knew my grampa, knew that my grampa had every right to fish and hunt, knew that my grampa sold moose hide for years in Prince George. The CO knew my grampa had so many loved ones who depended on the fish and meat he brought to Prince George from Babine Lake. My grampa was pulled over, had his fish n meat taken away, and his moose hide was all he had. He sold his hide and gave whatever money he could to the ones he brought fish n meat to. And went on a drunk. Came back to Babine Lake broke, and went on a multi-month drunk. The entire nation heard about how the CO shamed my grampa. This great Hereditary Chief of the 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, and early 90s. And his wish was to drink as he cursed Canada. And everyone showed up to grant him more of his wish. All over one CO who decided to shame my grampa on behalf of Canada. For even in the late 70s, indians were NOT allowed to transport fish OR meat on "Crownland" highways. Wasn't fair to "Canadians." I could go on and on and on, but I would have to end up writing volumes like Redfoxxx. LAZY NDN? ahrdly The NDN was programmed to be Idle. We were not allowed to leave the reserve for many years. Not even to distrubute any inventions.

That blows.

I will not dispute that there have been legions of injustices against the Natives in both Canada and the USA but I will say that in the past twenty years the USA has gone to great lengths to redress those past wrongs.

The Bureau of Indian Affairs now has to leave reservations or other tribal lands where they are not welcome. Tribes may form corporations to purchase and own lands that were not historically theirs and the new lands are recognized as tribal. Tribal businesses (mostly casinos and resorts) have lifted many, many tribes out of stultifying poverty.

The Auburn Rancheria did not have running water or electricity until 1988 and now they all have million dollar homes, six-figure annual incomes, and their kids go to the best universities on full scholarships.

And no one, I mean no one, has the nerve to complain about their success.

Canada does need to catch up with the USA in this regard.

[Biblical_Christian]

Aborginals were only granted the right to vote and leave their reserves within the last 50 years. The Europeans had a big head start economically. We had no economic patterns to follow, No economic examples to follow for 450 years since the Europeans settled here. We were just locked up in the Reserves. And just to fight and party. What was there else to do? We don't like to party hardy anymore.

[Biblical_Christian]

'Enough is enough,"At some point, we have no choice but to stand up and defend ourselves, because nobody else is going to do that for us."

Aborginals were only granted the right to vote and leave their reserves within the last 50 years,

"All around us, you see prosperity,when you look into our own communities . . . everything is hanging on by a thread. It's a very fragile time for us right now. We are in a do-or-die situation now."