[Biblical_Christian]

Regarding the economics of Native's. There is alotta red tape on the NDN's money. From oil n gas. And other Money's that have been made. So, all they had logically was just administration. You take the Foirgners for example they come in to this country, after 3 years they already have a brand new car, brand new house. a business. They come to the country with a clean slate. No existing bills. Because of NDN's not having money to invest for many years. The only thing we accummlated were bills . I think we actually done pretty good. And still retain our pride. Despite all that.respression.I think it has alot to do with them being frozen in time by the arcaic laws that keep them on the Reserve. The rest of the world moves on. Those stuck/dependant on a reserve are limited to opportunities. Just enough cash is given to them to keep them stuck. The Chief and council dont mind, they get first dibs on the govt money and can look after their freinds and family first. The Reserve is the enemy. Indians who migrate off the Reserve, on average, do faaaaaaaaaaaaar better than those who stay stuck. LOtta NDN's want out of the poverty-oppression by the government. actually lots of Bands, are giving a finger to the Government. And going ahead and doing things. In and off the reserve.

This isnt some brilliant revelation Its a FACT many know and many have written about. Yet nothing ever changes. The govt seems to like dealing with other forms of govt. That way they can download the issues, the unfairnesses, the problems. The govt could, ebolish the reserves tomorrow, give title to each Indian. Pay out annuities, in consideration of the use of land the colonist have been RENTING TO DATE. But that doesnt happen. Your Band Council wont stand to have their wings clipped. They want you stuck.

[Biblical_Christian]

Since when, does people have to apply for there own MONEY? That is so prehistoric. I know from back home. Oil and Gas has been dug up. Right away the Federal Government put it in 'Trust'. And it has to be applied for. Whaaaaat? Every cent must be accounted for. They want to see a plan made for it's use. This is the 20th century. How is that for economic oppression.

[CDNBear]

Speaking from the inside, I'm greatful that some monies are withheld. I have been writing articles for some time, for a Native paper. Highliting the corruoption and out right theft of money from First Nations coffers, by the very people elected and imposed to lead and look out for our welfare.

The sloth, waste and corruoption is rampant. Any loosening of the purse strings at this point, would be financial suicide.

Some of our leaders are not equipt as of yet to hand the responsiblity of handling our money, nor are many of my fellow First Nations people.

It would be tantammount to loosing the chubbt kid in the preverbial candy store with parental supervision.

[PJB]

Interesting question. Perhaps the answer to this question is so simple that it insults many natives here.

Perhaps the answer is these foreigners are willing to work to make money rather than bitch about what they think they are entitled to.

Maybe these people take the less romantic jobs and save their money by not driving big fancy vehicles and living in smaller homes.

Perhaps these people are willing to move to find employment rather than stay in an area that offers them nothing.

Perhaps these people have work ethic.

Then again what do I know...

[Biblical_Christian]

The only defence that the grassroots members have is that the corrupt chiefs and coucil will not be reelected. But by then there is maybe thousands or millions squandered away. I think the reserves need more laws enforced, regarding corruption. And more stringent controls on the Money, From the grassroots. Maybe a majority vote would be in order. On any endeavers.

[Biblical_Christian]

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Canada is a corporate possession established through an unnegotiated extension of corporate boundaries defined in Indian Treaties, signed between the representatives of chartered corporation on behalf of the British crown and sovereign tribal nations indigenous to North America.

Indian Treaties on not surrenders of sovereignty but record the exclusive right of the British crown to purchase lands and resources from the signing tribal nations indigenous to the areas defined in said treaties and nothing else.

Canada is not a country it never was and Canadians do not share a common culture so they are not a nation and whoever heard of anyone being a national citizen of a debtors colony or corporate possession?

What ever Canada and the United States started out as (debtors colonies) they still are, historical precedent and legal continuity demands that it be so. And reserves are POW camps that the inmates have been allowed to run since 1960 or there about.

The timing of the temporary release of the POWs from these camps varies in different part of this land. But you can be sure all them will be incarcerated at the same time, especially when the entire economic change over of the economic system of North America is completed. NAFT and the unilateral institution one North American currency by the IMF is all a repeat of what took place in 1885.

[Biblical_Christian]

Most Native People I know work and work very hard.

Many older ones have worked longer than you have been alive and have forgotten more than I'll ever know.

Many Native people are Entrepreneurs, business people, consultants, nurses, doctors, teachers, carpenters, plumbers, electricians, loggers, fisherman, trucking companies, heavy equipment operators. That's just to name a few.

Native women in particular are very successful in business.

Can Indians work you ask?

They certainly can and they certainly do.

[Biblical_Christian]

Is it just me, or are the posters on this forum nothing .but anti-aboriginal? Not you cdnbear.

Kind of weird, isn't it?
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No kidding, just the name of the thread is self revealing. Now knowing a bit more, Welfare is the term the Canadian Gov now uses to belittle even more what is OWED to the First Nations in the first place. PJB, did you know Welfare was provincial and not federal? How can it be called welfare money if it comes from the federal gov? As for lazy indians, how come you don't acknowledge the white "balcon ville" sociaty, those who stay on their balcony all summer long with nothing better to do than wait for welfare themselves? I'd weed out my own garden before pointing out the neighbor's weed, you might try to do the same wink.gif

[PJB]

Biblical_Christian. I know many very successful native business owners and have personal business relationships with them. If I told them your ideas about Canada and what is OWED to natives they would laugh at you. They took the personal intitiative to make something out of themselves rather than demand what, in your view, is owed to them by someone else.

Every person in this country has an equal opportunity to become successful if they are willing to make sacrifices and work for it.

I am not anti-native but I am against those who do not believe in this country.

I know that there are many non-natives in this country that make the collection of welfare an art form and those people should be cut off. Welfare should be a short term emergency solution rather than a long term crutch that people become dependant upon.

[fatbasturd]

PJB wrote:

Interesting question. Perhaps the answer to this question is so simple that it insults many natives here.

Perhaps the answer is these foreigners are willing to work to make money rather than bitch about what they think they are entitled to.

Maybe these people take the less romantic jobs and save their money by not driving big fancy vehicles and living in smaller homes.

Perhaps these people are willing to move to find employment rather than stay in an area that offers them nothing.

Perhaps these people have work ethic.

Then again what do I know...

My dad died when I was 11 years old...we were left with nothing but bills,lost our house, lost our car, wound up on welfare untill me and my two brothers"both younger then me " were old enough to go to work...I was 14 and have been working everyday since with out ever claimin EI once in my life.
It's just like PJB said...with out being rude it seems there is no work ethic among many natives as a rule....there are exceptions to every rule though and i have ment some natives that do not have the defeatest attitude and have developed great work eithcs....If you want the Natives sitituation to improve then the native population needs to look to these individuals as examples and for leadership.

[Biblical_Christian]

OFF reserve, IT IS Welfare. ON the RESERVE they call it Payment from the rental of thier motherland.

[PJB]

Biblical...I am not going to get into any land claim crap with you as I feel that anyone using that as an excuse for their current situation is not worthy of discussing anything. Welfare has become a source of income and a crutch that is destroying native people. If people like yourself continue to believe that natives living on reserve do not have to work then you are continuing a vicious circle of dependance and lack of any personal responsibility.

Your ideals are what is destroying natives in this country not anything that any non-native says.

[Biblical_Christian]

The indivdual payment that happens to a NDN at the reserves. Is not enough to do anything with. Just to live on. Thats it. Period! The rest gets lost in adminstration. Chiefs and council get there first dips at the money. And the programs get a little more what ever little they get. The reserves have to juggle what the Fed's decide to give. WHAT THEY DECIDE TO GIVE? ON RENT? Nobody can tell anything to the Govenment not even the white race grassroots.

[PJB]

Biblical_Christian wrote:

The indivdual payment that happens to a NDN at the reserves. Is not enough to do anything with. Just to live on. Thats it. Period! The rest gets lost in adminstration. Chiefs and council get there first dips at the money. And the programs get a little more what ever little they get. The reserves have to juggle what the Fed's decide to give. WHAT THEY DECIDE TO GIVE? ON RENT? Nobody can tell anything to the Govenment not even the white race grassroots.

An just who's fault is that? Mine? These people can always get an education, go out and find a good job and make something of themselves but most of them do not want to do that because they have been brainwashed into believing that they are owed something from someone else rather than taking any intitiative. Like I said before. It is a vicious circle and attitudes like yours are not doing anything to break it.

[Biblical_Christian]

We have been very clearly talking about the reserves. Not off-reserve people. If you would really do some real reading on the first posts on up to now. There has been a lot of exodus, going on. From the poverty stricken resrves. That has been molded, if I can say that. By the Federal Governement. Thats just the way The feds deicided to deal with us. Make a treaty, (AGREEMENT)Take our Oil and Gas and Gold and silver, and the Motherland. That is worth Trillions. I have pointed out, again, and again, and again that the INdian ACt is very prehistoric. Our hand sare tied we cannt do anything. that will make an EConomic sense at all. with the present NDN act.