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PostPosted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 12:42 am
 


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Alberta's luck is that it is populated with Conservatives.

Saskatchewan was the richest jurisidiction on Earth (per capita) in the last half of the 19th century and had the third largest population in Canada. Today its resources of energy, potash and uranium just to name a few should make it an economic marvel.

Why aren't they?

It is too late for me to detail but in a nutshell, SK is still sufferring PTSD from the Depression and as a result is suspicious of any private business and/or people with initiative outside of a collective and feels that the government must be involved at every level with apporpriate union representation.

AB by contrast was heavily influenced by American immigration and the anti-government sentiment these ranchers and businessmen brought flourished in an environment populated by expatriate adventuresome Easterners and immigrants who had recently escaped Kings and punitive taxes.

Sasks population has stayed the same over the past 110 odd years and now Edmonton has more people then the enitre province. I heard recently that Calgary has over 250,000 people from Saskatchewan living there and Edmonton has a similar number. Either of these groups in one place in Sask would be the largest city.



so true , infact down south here , Medicine Hat shouldn't be part of Alberta . The entire city is filled with almost nothing but people from Saskatchewan . I don't know what to say , I am at a loss for words simply because it would be against what most people believe to bring them prosperity . I guess I worry about how badly we have lost or are loosing our sovereignty being such young country with such potential .


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Truth is, it is a party of the unions, by the unions, for the unions.

They are a powerful group and those who work for the government (teachers, medical, oil workers, public works, insurance, telco, on and on etc etc) may actually outnumber those who do not. Keeping the personal gravy train rolling no matter how much they destroy the province is acceptable. The ends justify the means. Like the Liberals on a federal level.


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Medicine Hat shouldn't be part of Alberta . The entire city is filled with almost nothing but people from Saskatchewan .


Saskatchewan is the canary in the Canadian coal mine.

Canada has been losing talented scientists, performers and businessmen to the USA in the brain drain for decades because like Saskatchewan, at a larger level we refuse to give these people an environment to fulfill their potential.

Several decades ago most US states had a standard of living below the poorest of the Canadian provinces. Today, Ontario and Alberta barely rank in at the very bottom of the list. The USA is getting wealthier and we are falling behind and it is the Canadians we are driving away who are helping to improve the economy and lifestyle of another country and not their own.


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Medicine Hat shouldn't be part of Alberta . The entire city is filled with almost nothing but people from Saskatchewan .


Saskatchewan is the canary in the Canadian coal mine.

Canada has been losing talented scientists, performers and businessmen to the USA in the brain drain for decades because like Saskatchewan, at a larger level we refuse to give these people an environment to fulfill their potential.

Several decades ago most US states had a standard of living below the poorest of the Canadian provinces. Today, Ontario and Alberta barely rank in at the very bottom of the list. The USA is getting wealthier and we are falling behind and it is the Canadians we are driving away who are helping to improve the economy and lifestyle of another country and not their own.


I know its scray to have lived those decades and see everything you are saying become part of history . One thing I find very impressionable is the ability to claim bankruptcy up to 4 times in the US without penalty as a measure and incentive to try or make an effort to succeed . The amount of poor and poverty in the US is enormous despite the world running to the US to make a life . When I was going through one of my hard times I asked my doctor where I could get dental work done cheap , he told me could run across the border and have it done for the cost of the materials . He elaborated by saying that in some areas the competition is so feirce that some dentists can't make a living yet have all the equipment and will do it so they can at least enjoy what they were trained/schooled for . Since then I have seen socialism really taking a stand in the US. Alberta has changed dramaticly . Every form of industry has collapsed except for the oil and gas industry so it is a province treading on very minimal ways to fall back on .Germany /old Europe had no choice but to Unionize and fall into the hands of Socialism (after the war ) and even if the US keepng its franchising and oil hungry pace of the world it will eventually succumb to socialism too . (regard that as an opinion since I'm not going to post historical proofs of that )

Should Sask give up its wary ways ? I really don't know which way to lean


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Germany /old Europe had no choice but to Unionize and fall into the hands of Socialism (after the war ) and even the US will eventually succumb to socialism too . (regard that as an opinion since I'm not going to post historical proofs of that)


Socialism appeals, too, to an aging population. In the European example much of the younger population was lost in the war, leaving an older and often infirm population as an influential bloc. In Presently in North America , the Baby Boomers are nearing retirement and we can expect a social shift to the left to go with that.


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they should call it the 'we're left but we're right party'


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How about the Canadian Socialist Party?

Banff wrote:
Medicine Hat shouldn't be part of Alberta . The entire city is filled with almost nothing but people from Saskatchewan .

HEY! I live in medicien hat!

AND YOU ARE 100% CORRECT.

God! I hate it here. It shouldn't even be part of Canada!

I want to be in Ontariooooooo. *whines*


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I want to be in Ontariooooooo. *whines*
Why? You are in the richest province, that has the most going for it right now. The opportunities for a young person are endless. What could Ontario have for you that Alberta doesn't?


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I want to be in Ontariooooooo. *whines*
Why? You are in the richest province, that has the most going for it right now. The opportunities for a young person are endless. What could Ontario have for you that Alberta doesn't?

Left-Wingers. :lol:


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Alberta's luck is that it is populated with Conservatives.


Many of whom were originally from Saskatchewan and left because of the Left. Saskatchewan's loss has been Alberta's gain.


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just rename it "the Canadian Branch of the Taliban"

these types of comments are not wanted nor are they allowed in the "party" forums.


This is ridenrain, he's finds it difficult to stay out of the other party forums But he gets pretty upset if any non-Conservative posts in the Conservative subforum. ROTFL


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Socialism appeals, too, to an aging population. In the European example much of the younger population was lost in the war, leaving an older and often infirm population as an influential bloc. In Presently in North America , the Baby Boomers are nearing retirement and we can expect a social shift to the left to go with that.

That could happen. But many older people are conservatives too. It also can be said about the younger ones who actually get involved in the political system. Actually I remember watching a story on the tele about that they said the Conservatives are more the newly weds or nearly dead. Meaning there is a gap in who votes for it more older people and young people are turning to their party. While the baby boomers make up less of their votes. Makes sense in some ways I find myself relating to my grandparents more than my own parents.

My parents had it easy a strong economy tons of jobs that paid very well. Rent and supplies were cheap too. Wages have not kept up with inflation here since the 1980’s and I would have made more or my money would have gone farther 25 years ago than it probably would now. Education and healthcare are all second best to what my parents had and again not as affordable. I’m not going to say I’m like my grandparents who went through a great depression and a world war but they understand the value of money better or know what its like to live off cheque to cheque more than my parents probably do.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 2:12 am
 


Although I'm formally recognized as a Conservative supporter, I hope you'll accept some input, so long as I'm offering it constructively:

I think a common misconception about the NDP is that its followers are hostile to religious interests. This is often expressed in ignorance of the NDP's roots as the CCF (an ignorance which, unfortunately, also seems to be popular among many NDP supporters).

A name change that somehow reflects the origins of the NDP's principles to the Protestant Social Gospel, of which both Tommy Douglas and J.S. Woodsworth were enthusiastic followers, could help change the misconception of the NDP as anti-religious. However, it could also run the risk of scaring away any current NDP supporters who may coincidentally (or even not-so-coincidentally) happen to be anti-religious.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 12:01 am
 


There is no need for the NDP to change its name in Saskatchewan or Nationally.
What took place in Sask is a natural cycle of things they party had been in power for well over a decade and will be back in power within ten years after two terms of the sask party
Nationally we have a bigger problem, the party has been taken over by a bunch of drug store socialists who live in fantasy land. Many are from the Ujjalite crowd that took control of BC and attempted to turn it into some mushy mean nothing liberals and almost succeeded.
The BC NDP are disorganized and disfunctional to say the least, run by people who have no idea what the hell they are doing. That being said I have no choice but continue supporting them until we get some real people running the show. This coming election could see me spoiling my ballot however, as they put through a motion to play with candidate selection. You must always go with the best candidate we can't reserve seats for minorities, women or even traditional white males and if they do go through with this I won't vote for them
Change the leadership yes, the name of the party no


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