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"It feels like a kick in the gut" Chris Buckley, CAW Local 222 President OSHAWA -- It was bad news mixed with good for General Motors of Canada workers, who learned Monday that between 900 and 1,000 Oshawa truck-assembly plant jobs are being axed in September while union leaders cut a deal on the same day with Ford Motor company that could pave the way for early contract settlements with GM.
Effective September 2008, GM will be dropping another shift at the plant which assembles the Chevrolet Silverado and the GMC Sierra, said Chris Buckley, president of CAW Local 222. That will leave one shift operating. Another shift was cut early this year.

"It feels like a kick in the gut; these are permanent job losses that will have a major ripple effect," said Mr. Buckley.

For example every one GM job results in 7.5 spinoff jobs including auto parts manufacturing and transportation.

But he said he was "cautiously optimistic that GM will follow the pattern set" after a Monday announcement that Ford and the CAW have reached an agreement that avoids a controversial two-tiered wage system. Many had feared contract talks in Canada would follow the trend that occurred with the United Auto workers in Big Three auto plants in the U.S.

"This agreement puts us in a better situation but there are absolutely no guarantees GM (will agree to the same deal)," said Mr. Buckley.

The CAW's three-year deal with Ford lowers the starting rate of a new hire to 70 per cent from 85 per cent and extends to three years from 18 months the length of time new hires will see wages increase to the top wage and benefits package.

The deal worked out five months early will now become the centerpiece of all-out collective bargaining aimed at reaching a tentative agreement between the two sides later this week, said CAW president Buzz Hargrove. Once that is completed, the CAW will meet with GM and Chrysler officials.

Historically in most cases, once one agreement is settled the other car-makers follow suit with similar deals, although GM resisted doing so in 2006.

"We now have a pattern established for negotiations in 2008," said Mr. Hargrove in a news conference Monday. "We believe GM (and Chrysler) will meet that pattern. We don't anticipate a fight with (them)."

The offer includes a mixture of modest gains and cost savings that in the CAW's judgment will ensure that Canadian facilities over the life of the agreement will remain in the ballpark for new investment opportunities, he added.

Both Mr. Hargrove and Mr. Buckley criticized the federal government for not doing enough to stem the flow of exports into the Canadian auto market. Besides the high Canadian dollar, a softening in the U.S. economy where most Canadian-built GM cars are sold and higher oil and gas prices, trucks sales are declining.

Highlights of the Master Economics Offer:

Three year contract, expiring midnight September 14, 2011;

No changes in base wages;
No two-tier system for wages, pensions or benefits;
Extended the life of the St. Thomas assembly plant through life of agreement (to 2011) The product commitment was scheduled to end in 2010;
COLA payments frozen for remainder of current contract and first year of the new contract. Quarterly COLA wage adjustments resume under existing formula December 2009;
$2,200 "productivity&quality" bonus to be paid upon ratification;
Inflation-indexed pension increases for both existing and new retirees in second and third year;
Significant savings in health costs (stricter cap on long-term care, 10 per cent co-pay on drugs to $250 annual maximum per family);
Modest improvements in health benefits and spousal insurance benefit;
New-hire grow-in system, where wages, COLA, SUB benefits, and time-off provisions are phased in (starting at 70 per cent of base wages) over the first three years of work; after three years, wages reach 100 per cent of base wages;
Reduction in vacation pay by 40 hours per year, compensated with special $3,500 cash payment in January 2009;
Improved restructuring benefits ("buy-outs") and renewed income security funds.
Commitment to explore Canadian opportunities to establish a pre-funded, off-balance-sheet Retiree Health Benefit Fund.


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well more bad economic news from ontario , well this plant has a few problems so i won't pin the blame on one person . with the price of gas so high consumers are not looking to buy gas guzzling vehicles like these .

but these kinds of job loses appear to be part of a trend here and its clear the province is not doing enough to help this economy or save the jobs we allready have . i mean other provinces out west are doing much better and not seen the same kind of job loses we have seen in ontario .


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GM worker fears "downward spiral"

More than 900 truck plant jobs in Oshawa to be lost in September
Tue Apr 29, 2008

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"It seems now it is a downward spiral, we always are asking who is to blame" Larry Hardy, GM Worker Related Stories
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OSHAWA -- Word that another shift will be cut come September at the GM truck plant in Oshawa has left workers uncertain of their future.

GM announced Monday that between 900 and 1,000 jobs will be eliminated leaving workers, still reeling from the loss of a shift and 1,000 jobs in January, shocked.

Falling demand for GM's full-size pickup trucks was blamed.

"I was in shock when I first heard but then I just look at the way gas prices are going up and it doesn't surprise me," said south Oshawa resident James Byrom Monday night.

An employee of GM for over 24 years, Mr. Byrom is currently on a temporary layoff from the car plant until the beginning of August.

Brian Lindensmith said he wasn't surprised. Mr. Lindensmith has been with GM for 26 years.

"Everyone that has worked for GM has been laid off at one time or another," he said. "Sales are down and this is what happens."

Larry Hardy, a GM worker who car pools with six men from St. Catharines, said he's concerned about the future outcome. Mr. Hardy said Monday night that he's seen this all before when he had to relocate to Oshawa from the St. Catharines plant after it closed 6 years ago.

Mr. Hardy, 56, commutes four hours every day to work in Oshawa. He was laid off for two years beginning in 2000 and has participated in retraining but was not successful finding another job outside of GM.

"A year ago the trunk plant was working three shifts," said Mr. Hardy. " And now this… most of us have been with GM for over 25 years and it is hard for us to find new work of any kind."

"It seems now it is a downward spiral, we always are asking who is to blame," said Mr. Hardy Monday night. "Are we making the mistakes? Is the union making the mistakes or is GM making the mistake? I wish we knew."

The truck plant had been running flat out since 1993 when a three-shift schedule started. Annual production regularly surpassed 300,000 trucks. It also won several awards for top productivity among truck plants in North America.

Oshawa Mayor John Gray hopes the news won't be as dark as it seems. "One of our saving graces is that it doesn't happen 'till September," he said, stressing that the job cuts are the result of economic conditions in the U.S. "That gives us some time and if the market changes, we may not have to cut that many."

Local GM officials could not be reached for comment but the company's parent said in Detroit it is also cutting a shift at two other truck plants, in Pontiac and Flint, Michigan.

-- with files from Torstar News Services

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Man that sucks that so many people are gonna be outta job. I wonder if any of those workers will be applying at the japanese autoplants. Cause we know the jap automakers aren't cutting jobs. If anything, they're expanding.


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lily wrote:
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well more bad economic news from ontario , well this plant has a few problems so i won't pin the blame on one person . with the price of gas so high consumers are not looking to buy gas guzzling vehicles like these .

but these kinds of job loses appear to be part of a trend here and its clear the province is not doing enough to help this economy or save the jobs we allready have . i mean other provinces out west are doing much better and not seen the same kind of job loses we have seen in ontario .


You might want to look into the forestry industry out here in the west.



Do you think these people want a job where they have to work?


This is the tip of the iceberg, expect a lot more of these job cuts in the not so near distance future.


GM is so *ucked right now and sadly so are all the union guys making 100K a year for putting a front wheel on car/truck.


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lily wrote:
ryan29 wrote:
well more bad economic news from ontario , well this plant has a few problems so i won't pin the blame on one person . with the price of gas so high consumers are not looking to buy gas guzzling vehicles like these .

but these kinds of job loses appear to be part of a trend here and its clear the province is not doing enough to help this economy or save the jobs we allready have . i mean other provinces out west are doing much better and not seen the same kind of job loses we have seen in ontario .


You might want to look into the forestry industry out here in the west.

No doubt.

And maybe compare what type of industries drive their economies...

How many people would be out of work if Alberta had a population of 9 million packed into the lower 10% of the province....

How do you dismiss these job losses?





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GM is surprised that nobody wants gas guzzlers?should have taken their head out of their ass 10 years ago. They build SUVs and trucks why?? ...large profits much more than efficient passenger cars. Tough crap!!!


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Man that sucks that so many people are gonna be outta job. I wonder if any of those workers will be applying at the japanese autoplants. Cause we know the jap automakers aren't cutting jobs. If anything, they're expanding.



well there are asian auto comapnies with plants in ontario , know toyota has a couple and so does honda . but not really sure if there hiring or if there within driving distance of oshawa . mean woodstock is geting a new toyota plant only thing is its hours away from oshawa so they would have to move there entires lives there .


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ryan29 wrote:
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Man that sucks that so many people are gonna be outta job. I wonder if any of those workers will be applying at the japanese autoplants. Cause we know the jap automakers aren't cutting jobs. If anything, they're expanding.



well there are asian auto comapnies with plants in ontario , know toyota has a couple and so does honda . but not really sure if there hiring or if there within driving distance of oshawa . mean woodstock is geting a new toyota plant only thing is its hours away from oshawa so they would have to move there entires lives there .


It's better than getting another job at a GM, Ford, or Chrysler plant and run the risk of losing your job again.


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I moved across the Atlantic to get a better job/life.The Canadian dream means sacrifice and hard work.

No disrespect to the CAW guys from Oshawa but in hard times hard decisions have to be made.

Getting $40 an hour for menial work has made the 'Big Three' easy targets for Honda and Toyota.

I'm on career number 3, why should GM employees be any different than us mere mortals?

Adapt and overcome. I had to.


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mtbr wrote:
GM is surprised that nobody wants gas guzzlers?should have taken their head out of their ass 10 years ago. They build SUVs and trucks why?? ...large profits much more than efficient passenger cars. Tough crap!!!


And Toyota doesn't build trucks or suvs? Seems to me Toyota trucks are getting larger and larger all the time!





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mtbr wrote:
GM is surprised that nobody wants gas guzzlers?should have taken their head out of their ass 10 years ago. They build SUVs and trucks why?? ...large profits much more than efficient passenger cars. Tough crap!!!


And Toyota doesn't build trucks or suvs? Seems to me Toyota trucks are getting larger and larger all the time!


Toyota also builds hybrids...like that one you just posted in the other thread :lol:


Toyota can afford to build both GM can't, too many gas guzzlers in their lineup .


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mtbr wrote:
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GM is surprised that nobody wants gas guzzlers?should have taken their head out of their ass 10 years ago. They build SUVs and trucks why?? ...large profits much more than efficient passenger cars. Tough crap!!!


And Toyota doesn't build trucks or suvs? Seems to me Toyota trucks are getting larger and larger all the time!


Toyota also builds hybrids...like that one you just posted in the other thread :lol:


Toyota can afford to build both GM can't, too many gas guzzlers in their lineup .


GM also builds hybrids...like the ones posted in dozens of car magazines every week

GM is fixing the ship...its lineup is becoming less cumbersome and branded and its technological innovations (Volt anyone?) will insure its competitiveness.


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Is there a Toyota that's as sexy as a Corvette Z06 or 2009 Corvette ZR1?


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