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PostPosted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 8:03 pm
 


BeaverFever wrote:
Doesn't your earlier post just contradict this one? As I understand it, liberals are less deferential to authority figures so more likely to push a cop's buttons?

Those traits are more common among liberals than conservatives, that's for certain, but I've seen it from both. Just more common to one side.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 8:08 pm
 


How do you know they're liberal? Because of the types of insults they use? Do Conservatives use different types of insults?


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So good cop/bad cop becomes a left/right thing too... how f**king stupid is that. 8O


Conservatives tend to favour order more and liberals tend to favour the rights of criminals more. Conservatives tend to see the benefits of the stability order brings to everyone society while liberals think the law is generally relative and doesn't apply fully in a lot of situations due to race, age, and economic situation. It's not an accusatory thing, it's just a basic description of the way the two different groups of people think. For example, on law and order, I think I'm a lot more conservative than Bart is because he tends to go into that "jack-booted thugs" thing thanks to the way his friends in the NRA think. To me, that entire viewpoint is absolutely appalling, and just as bad as the anti-police sentiment and attitudes that are commonly found among leftists and social liberals. To me law & order is the most basic foundation of freedom because without it all you have remaining isn't freedom or liberty. It's chaos, and nothing good ever comes out of chaos.

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Thanos wrote:
Conservatives tend to favour order more and liberals tend to favour the rights of criminals more.

That's hyperbole. Remember your highschool civics class? Sentencing offenders has four purposes (deterrence, retribution, rehabilitation and segregation). I don't think that different approaches to achieving those four goals necessarily makes one position "harder" or "softer" on crime. I don't agree that it's "favouring the rights of criminals" to want to achieve the best blend all four goals for society. Harsher punishment doesn't necessarily provide greater benefit to society.

I also think you must be comparing the centre of the right to the extreme of the left. The "liberal" label paints a pretty broad brush stroke. It comprises the extreme leftist, socialists (NDPers and left), but also centrist liberals (traditional Liberal party supporters) and civil libertarians (like myself, who fall well to the right of conservatives on the political spectrum). Do you think all of those groups "favour the rights of criminals" or are you speaking specifically of the NDPers and left?

Of course law and order is a fundamental component of society. As you note, it's absolutely necessary to ensure individual freedoms. Our entire Charter is founded on the principle that rights need to be limited where reasonable. But that line comes when ones freedom begins to infringe on others'. Conservatives, IMO, confuse annoyance with infringement. Just because you're annoyed by what your neighbour is doing doesn't mean he's undermining law and order in society.

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Conservatives tend to see the benefits of the stability order brings to everyone society while liberals think the law is generally relative and doesn't apply fully in a lot of situations due to race, age, and economic situation. It's not an accusatory thing, it's just a basic description of the way the two different groups of people think. For example, on law and order, I think I'm a lot more conservative than Bart is because he tends to go into that "jack-booted thugs" thing thanks to the way his friends in the NRA think. To me, that entire viewpoint is absolutely appalling, and just as bad as the anti-police sentiment and attitudes that are commonly found among leftists and social liberals. To me law & order is the most basic foundation of freedom because without it all you have remaining isn't freedom or liberty. It's chaos, and nothing good ever comes out of chaos.

Your hatred of Trudeau must, therefore, be somewhat mitigated by his response to the October crisis. You should read William Tetley’s 2007 book The October Crisis, 1970. Tetley notes that, in 1970, political kidnappings were commonplace around the world. They were almost national pastimes in most South American countries. The FLQ were genuinely surprised by Trudeau's refusal to negotiate with kidnappers. That just wasn't the way that those things went down back then. 40 years later, Canada hasn't had a problem with political kidnapping and terrorism and most other countries have since adopted similar policies and philosophies when dealing with insurrection.

I don't believe liberals aren't any softer on law on order. They just disagree on the level of intrusion on peoples' rights that's necessary to achieve law and order. We disagree on where we need to draw the line. Smoking pot, hugging trees and growing long hair isn't in the same ballpark as the FLQ crisis. It doesn't warrant similar response. Just like touching a woman's feet and sticking your tongue in her holiest of holies ain't the same fucking ballpark. It ain't the same league. It ain't even the same fucking sport. You conservatives seem compelled go way beyond what's necessary to maintain law and order. You equate the desire to reduce government's intrusion into personal, private matters as a call to riot. Just because you want to live in a Leave-it-to-Beaver world doesn't mean that those of us who don't want to throw open the prison doors and run wild in the streets.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 10:44 pm
 


Thanos wrote:
I think Kop Killer and Halo is a real cool guys. He kills kops adn aleins and doensn't afraid of anytihng.

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What's the implicaiton here?


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Whut? I was like 3 years old during the October Crisis, dawg. All I ever cared about it afterwards was that Trudeau actually did the right thing, for one of the few times in his career, when he brought the hammer of the War Measures Act down on those terrorist assholes. Granted, he "balanced" it all out with the rest of his deeds in the 1970's and early '80's, which generally amounted to making Quebec (and Quebec's desires) supreme over the rest of the country, but that's neither here nor there.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 11:06 pm
 


Zipperfish wrote:
Thanos wrote:
I think Kop Killer and Halo is a real cool guys. He kills kops adn aleins and doensn't afraid of anytihng.

- Zipeprfich

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What's the implicaiton here?


That you're worse than Hitler.


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Whut? I was like 3 years old during the October Crisis, dawg. All I ever cared about it afterwards was that Trudeau actually did the right thing, for one of the few times in his career, when he brought the hammer of the War Measures Act down on those terrorist assholes. Granted, he "balanced" it all out with the rest of his deeds in the 1970's and early '80's, which generally amounted to making Quebec (and Quebec's desires) supreme over the rest of the country, but that's neither here nor there.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 6:03 am
 


BeaverFever wrote:
How do you know they're liberal? Because of the types of insults they use? Do Conservatives use different types of insults?

Type of event or reason for security. Think many conservatives go to a multi-cultural festival decked out in free trade clothing? Think many conservatives are going to supporting or part of a union strike? Stuff like that.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 22, 2013 10:47 am
 


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Security cameras.


Security Cameras also known as CCTV's have a CDrom built into the hard drive. Depending on how many cammeras and what type are being used the footage can be held to over 45 days. Any footage in the lawyers hands is a copy and thus more copies could be made and, as Tricks has said, it would be all over the net. Your rant is unproven you fail to even support your own arguments.

May I suggest next time a cop takes your weed from you thank him/her for saving what brain cells you have left.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 7:20 pm
 


Why cover for a cop who makes them all look bad?


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 9:52 am
 


Here's an NYPD SWAT officer who made me spit up my coffee this morning:

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Any military guys care to weigh in on this a$$hole?


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 10:48 am
 


And here's a site that covers police abuse of citizens who have the temerity to photograph or video misbehaving thugs who happen to have badges.

http://www.photographyisnotacrime.com/


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2013 11:38 am
 


Zipperfish wrote:
Thanos wrote:
I think Kop Killer and Halo is a real cool guys. He kills kops adn aleins and doensn't afraid of anytihng.

- Zipeprfich

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What's the implicaiton here?

I certainly don't suggest going vigilante against bad cops, like 'kop killer'.

I do suggest we all continue to observe, record and step up when cops are out of line.

And I hope to see more cops step up to defend the integrity of policing. I know they have the right to remain silent, and even that's an improvement over lying to cover for illegal actions of bad cops.


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