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PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Tricks Tricks:

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

and approved by fewer than 35% of parents involved in the process, eh Beave?

Pretty sure that's wrong. If I remember right they sent out surveys before it went live and the 35% number is how many they got back, not approve or disprove. Have a source to the claim?

And that's better? So out of 4000 parents, fewer than 1500 responded, either yes or no. And the left calls that overwhelming parental support?
And since you wonder if you remember right, maybe you can provide a link to your claim.

I already have, to one of your posts, in this very thread.

Tricks Tricks:

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

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Ironically the curriculum Ford repealed for purely ideological reasons without any basis in fact or reason was in fact the product of one of the largest consultations of its kind and included the participation of over 4,000 school parents.

You mean the one that got the approval of fewer than 1400 of those parents? That's less than 35%. And let's face it, the curriculum was brought in for nothing more than ideological reasons.

Have a link to support that?

Cause this is what I have.

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The Ontario Premier said just 1,638 people were consulted on the curriculum after the plan had already been developed, a figure he called “disgusting.” Mr. Ford appears to have drawn the statistic from a 2015 Toronto Sun article about a Freedom of Information request that found that just 1,638 out of about 4,000 parents contacted to provide feedback had taken the time to complete the online survey.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/ ... urriculum/

post2303208?hilit=%20support#p2303208

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And that's better? So out of 4000 parents, fewer than 1500 responded, either yes or no. And the left calls that overwhelming parental support?

Are we moving the goal posts now? Do you respond to every random survey from the government? Strange that only 35% of people gave a shit to respond but suddenly it's the biggest deal in the world. Maybe the religious right needs to stop getting their panties in a bunch?

I also like that you completely ignore all the expert consultation.

[BeaverFever]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Yep, nothing like defending a sex-ed curriculum that was drafted by a convicted pedophile and approved by fewer than 35% of parents involved in the process, eh Beave?

Why is it every time you post it includes some total falsehood. The “convicted pedophile” didn’t draft the curriculum. You must be the least informed member in this site aside from Brah.

The ministry drafted the curriculum not a single senior manager and they gathered input from 2,400 educators and other stakeholders and "consulted 700 students in 26 face-to-face regional consultation sessions." IN ADDITION they solicited input from 4,000 parents.

In addition, police, academics, Children's Aid Societies, the Centre for Addiction and Mental Health, the Ontario Physical and Health Education Association, the Ontario Healthy Schools Coalition and the Institute for Catholic Education were consulted.

[BeaverFever]

Also this week in Doug Ford’s Ontario, as part of his “open for business “ strategy Doug introduced an omnibus bill that removed a host of consumer protections against predatory cell phone contracts ( alreay detaled by Tricks), reased the maximum number of children allowed in unlicensed home daycares, and also removes environmental protections from the Greenbelt, something he swore before the election that he wouldn’t do.

As a flashback, during the election a recording made just a few months earlier emerged in which Ford was caught saying he would remove protections from the greenbelt. On the tape he genuinely seemed proud that it wasn’t even his idea, property developers had approached him with it. So in one breath not only did he admit to continuing the endless conservative jihad against nature, he admitted to being a pawn of corporate interests. When it came to light Ford had to come out disavowing it and promised not to touch the Greenbelt. Well he lied. Here’s another promise “not kept”

Oh also he introduced a bill stipulating that from now on the government will appoint the majority of board members for the Ontario College of Teachers , instead of them being elected by the Teachers themselves. There are no requirements for the government appointees to have any relevant education or background. So now he has politicized the OCT making it a patronage appointment so the government can stack the board with unqualified hacks and party loyalists

Oh also he introduced another bill which would give the government the power to alter the composition of the Ontario College of Teachers Governing Council, to control the appointment and duties of the Chair of the Council, and to alter the composition of OCT committees, and to appoint more members of the Council and committees than teachers. There is no requirement that the government appointees have any background in education. Essentially, the changes would transform the OCT from a self-regulatory body into an arm of the government run by unqualified political hacks and party loyalists appointed a patronage system. Once they have control of OCT, they can ram through their extremist right wing education agendas behind closed doors without having to pass legislation in view of the public.

So to recap the conservative agenda checklist

Attack consumer protections: CHECK
Attack child care: CHECK
Attack the environment: CHECK
Puppet of big business interests: CHECK
Attack teachers: CHECK

Oh also Ford is spending $106,000 to erect “open for business“ signs at US border crossings and across the province, which a spokesperson said was “a necessary cost” otherwise people might not know the province is now open for business. I shit you not this is how they think.

[BeaverFever]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Also this week in Doug Ford’s Ontario, as part of his “open for business “ strategy Doug introduced an omnibus bill that removed a host of consumer protections against predatory cell phone contracts ( alreay detaled by Tricks), reased the maximum number of children allowed in unlicensed home daycares, and also removes environmental protections from the Greenbelt, something he swore before the election that he wouldn’t do.

As a flashback, during the election a recording made just a few months earlier emerged in which Ford was caught saying he would remove protections from the greenbelt. On the tape he genuinely seemed proud that it wasn’t even his idea, property developers had approached him with it. So in one breath not only did he admit to continuing the endless conservative jihad against nature, he admitted to being a pawn of corporate interests. When it came to light Ford had to come out disavowing it and promised not to touch the Greenbelt. Well he lied. Here’s another promise “not kept”

Oh also he introduced a bill stipulating that from now on the government will appoint the majority of board members for the Ontario College of Teachers , instead of them being elected by the Teachers themselves. There are no requirements for the government appointees to have any relevant education or background. So now he has politicized the OCT making it a patronage appointment so the government can stack the board with unqualified hacks and party loyalists

Oh also he introduced another bill which would give the government the power to alter the composition of the Ontario College of Teachers Governing Council, to control the appointment and duties of the Chair of the Council, and to alter the composition of OCT committees, and to appoint more members of the Council and committees than teachers. There is no requirement that the government appointees have any background in education. Essentially, the changes would transform the OCT from a self-regulatory body into an arm of the government run by unqualified political hacks and party loyalists appointed a patronage system. Once they have control of OCT, they can ram through their extremist right wing education agendas behind closed doors without having to pass legislation in view of the public.

So to recap the conservative agenda checklist

Attack consumer protections: CHECK
Attack child care: CHECK
Attack the environment: CHECK
Puppet of big business interests: CHECK
Attack teachers: CHECK

Oh also Ford is spending $106,000 to erect “open for business“ signs at US border crossings and across the province, which a spokesperson said was “a necessary cost” otherwise people might not know the province is now open for business. I shit you not this is how they think.

Lo and behold, what do we learn today, big corporations and real estate developers are the ones bankrolling pro-Ford far-right social media.

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The right-wing Facebook-based group Ontario Proud raised over half a million dollars during the Ontario election, financial disclosures show.

Private individuals donated about $53,000, mostly in amounts in the low three figures, but corporations gave about $460,000. Some large donations from developers stand out, notably $100,000 from Mattamy Homes, a Toronto-based residential developer.

Ontario Proud, which has over 425,000 followers, is one of a family of conservative Canadian Facebook pages that have emerged over the past two years. By turns abrasive and sentimental, they oppose Liberals, the NDP, unions and the ‘war on Christmas‘. There is a BC Proud, (74,000 followers) an Alberta Proud (155,000 followers), and, less successfully, a Toronto Proud with only 1,800 followers.

Ontario Proud spent the leadup to Ontario’s election, and the campaign itself, largely attacking then-Premier Kathleen Wynne. On May, as the NDP rose in the polls, they came under attack as well. The page has also run videos supportive of the PCs, but largely stayed out of the party’s messy leadership process earlier in 2018.

Since the Ontario election, the site has shifted its focus to attack the federal Liberals.

https://globalnews.ca/news/4747339/onta ... donations/

[Coach85]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Lo and behold, what do we learn today, big corporations and real estate developers are the ones bankrolling pro-Ford far-right social media.

Chump change.

Remember the Working Families Coalition? The 3rd party mouthpiece for the Ontario Liberals that spent millions on TV ads, social media, etc?

4.6 Million from the OSSTF
6.9 Million from the OCSTF
11.3 Million from the ETFO

Oh...and 22 million from the CAW.

If it's a problem, let's create laws to prevent it.

[Coach85]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Attack child care: CHECK

How it allowing more kids in a home daycare an attack? It opens up more spaces for kids in homes.

Licensed daycare's in Ontario are a joke. I'd never put my kid in a centre with a 13-1 ratio with someone being paid minimum wage.

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Attack teachers: CHECK

The OCOT shouldn't be run by teachers. It should not be a self-regulatory body.

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Attack the environment: CHECK

It would allow municipalities to propose uses for specific pieces of land and then it would have to be approved by the Province before anything happened.

Enough with the hysterics, okay?

[BeaverFever]

Coach85 Coach85:

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Lo and behold, what do we learn today, big corporations and real estate developers are the ones bankrolling pro-Ford far-right social media.

Chump change.

Remember the Working Families Coalition? The 3rd party mouthpiece for the Ontario Liberals that spent millions on TV ads, social media, etc?

4.6 Million from the OSSTF
6.9 Million from the OCSTF
11.3 Million from the ETFO

Oh...and 22 million from the CAW.

If it's a problem, let's create laws to prevent it.

Working Families was not covert. Their website has all the unions listed right on their “about us” section of their webpage. “Ontario Proud” is covert funding pretending to he grassroots and the fact that a single developer would covertly donate that much money shows there’s a hidden agenda.
And just for the record this is over and above the official corporate donations to the PC party, which were higher than any other party. The PCs by far raked in the most money.

[BeaverFever]

Coach85 Coach85:

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Attack child care: CHECK

How it allowing more kids in a home daycare an attack? It opens up more spaces for kids in homes.

Licensed daycare's in Ontario are a joke. I'd never put my kid in a centre with a 13-1 ratio with someone being paid minimum wage.

As part of his omnibus “open for business “ bill, he relaxed daycare safety regulations to “make it viable for private daycare operators to actually have a home business." Business before people, including children. The conservative way.

He also cut daycare subsidies for low income families while increasing the cap on corporate subsidies for private for-profit daycares. Taking from the poor and giving to business. It’s the conservative way.

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BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Attack teachers: CHECK

The OCOT shouldn't be run by teachers. It should not be a self-regulatory body.

Are you kidding me? It most absolutely SHOULD BE just as it is everywhere else in the country (and the rest of the deceloped world AFAIK). Doctors, lawyers hell even massage therapists are self-regulating why shouldn’t teachers be? Why should it be run by unqualified appointed political hacks? Politicizing children’s education. It’s the conservative way

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Attack the environment: CHECK

It would allow municipalities to propose uses for specific pieces of land in violation of the Clean Water Act, the Great Lakes Protection Act, the Lake Simcoe Protection Act, the Greenbelt Act, among others then it would have to be approved rubber stamped by the Province before anything happened.

Had to fix your post for you, your euphemisms glossed over the key parts. And again, this was done as part of their “open for business “ legislation. Destroying the environment for corporate profits. It’s the conservative way.

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Enough with the hysterics, okay?

Criticism is not hysterics.

[BeaverFever]

A quick summary of Douggie’s first year here:

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For Doug Ford, it’s promises made, promises broken

Six months ago, Doug Ford and his Progressive Conservatives were elected largely on the basis that he wasn’t Kathleen Wynne and they weren’t the Liberals, and somehow that would add up to them doing the right thing for Ontarians.

Ford’s campaign was light on details but peppered with his folksy promises. And as premier, he’s fond of saying: promises made, promises kept. But much of his record shows something quite different.

Ontario Premier Doug Ford on his way to speak to the media in Toronto. (Nathan Denette / THE CANADIAN PRESS)

“I entered politics to help the little guy.”

Well, they don’t come any littler than children. Nor more vulnerable. And what has Ford done?

He axed the province’s child advocate, dedicated to protecting and improving the lives of children. He cut $25 million in education funding for programs targeted at the students who struggle the most, and provided jobs for other students. And he introduced legislation to reduce safety standards for babies in unlicensed home daycares. Under the Ford government, sensible restrictions to protect the youngest children are seen as nothing but red tape standing in the way of profits for unlicensed daycare providers.

“Ontario: open for business.”

His taxpayer-funded highway signs may claim Ontario is open but business people who saw their contracts ripped up under the Ford administration, including German investors 10 years and $100 million into a green energy project, have cause to disagree. As did Tesla, which successfully sued the province for the ham-handed way it cancelled electric-car rebates.

And Ford said “open for business,” not “open for environmental destruction.” But that’s what could come with Bill 66, his ridiculously wide-ranging omnibus bill restoring Ontario’s competitiveness act. It allows the municipal affairs minister, at the request of municipalities, to exempt commercial developments from a myriad of environmental laws. That includes the Clean Water Act — put in place after the Walkerton tainted-water disaster killed seven people and left thousands sick — the Great Lakes Protection Act and the Greenbelt Act ...

Which brings up another promise:

“We won’t touch the Greenbelt.”

Ford made that vow after getting caught on video promising a group of developers that he’d open the protected Greenbelt around the GTA and Hamilton for new single-family homes.

Yet Bill 66 makes it possible for the municipal affairs minister to approve a municipal proposal under an “open-for-business” bylaw to put an office or factory on land within the Greenbelt. The government says it doesn’t intend to support proposals that infringe on its commitment to protect the Greenbelt, but then why was it included in the legislation?

“Clean up the hydro mess.”

Ford got rid of Mayo Schmidt, the so-called “six-million-dollar man” who was Hydro One’s CEO, and the entire board — and then Washington state regulators got rid of Hydro One.

The regulators scuttled its multi-billion-dollar takeover of a U.S. energy company, deciding political interference by the Ford government made the deal too risky. That leaves Hydro One, and taxpayers who own half the company, on the hook for well over $100 million in penalties. None of that does a thing to lower electricity bills, which is what Ford claims he’s doing with all his meddling.

“Create good jobs.”

What Ford has actually done is make a good entry-level job even harder to find. He revoked important labour reforms designed to protect the most vulnerable workers and cancelled a planned rise in the minimum wage to $15. That was worth $2,000 in full-time wages and now it’s gone.

Ford promised to cut billions through “efficiencies” without losing jobs or services, but that’s not what’s happening. Among other things, he axed planned university campuses and retroactively cut funding for the College of Midwives. And the government has put out a call for voluntary departures to cut the size of the public sector. The government says this will help “address its fiscal challenges... while avoiding involuntary job losses.”

“Restore accountability, respect and trust to Queen’s Park.”

It’s hard to know where to begin. The premier who promised open and transparent government and an end to political interference in decision-making has axed independent legislative watchdogs, and used his power to settle personal vendettas and elevate his friends. That includes slashing Toronto council in half and yanking the Peel regional chair rug out from under former PC leader Patrick Brown. That’s by no means an exhaustive list.

The premier and his chief of staff, Dean French, have seemingly gone to unprecedented and troubling lengths to manipulate the hiring system and install an old Ford family friend, Ron Taverner, as head of the Ontario Provincial Police.

Then there’s the allegation that French demanded that Ford’s OPP security detail include a modified “camper type vehicle,” the costs of which were to be “kept off the books.” There’s nothing transparent or accountable about that.

The provincial integrity commissioner is investigating. The acting OPP commissioner turned whistleblower is trying to get the ombudsman to launch his own investigation. And the NDP is pushing for a full public inquiry.

None of this matters to Ford, who seems determined to run the province as his personal fiefdom to do with as he wishes and, as such, has already determined the outcome. “This is going to move forward,” he told reporters on Tuesday. “Let the review take place, and I can tell you one thing, once it gets done, (Ron Taverner) will be the best commissioner the OPP has ever seen.”

Perhaps Ford made Taverner a promise he truly intends to keep. He’s certainly a long way off that mark when it comes to those who elected him last June.

https://www.thestar.com/opinion/editori ... roken.html

[BeaverFever]

This week in Doug Ford’s Ontario, Doug continues his war in the environment:

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Doug Ford is reviewing Endangered Species Act to find 'efficiencies for businesses'

By Fatima Syed in News, Politics January 18th 2019
Canada's most populous province has launched a sweeping review of a law protecting endangered species in order to find "efficiencies for businesses."

Ontario Premier Doug Ford's government announced the review of the provincial Endangered Species Act through a new discussion paper released Friday afternoon by the provincial Ministry of the Environment, Conservation and Parks.

The paper's wording suggests that Ford's Progressive Conservatives — who promised in the 2018 election campaign to make Ontario "open for business" — are eager to soften the existing legislation and reduce onerous obligations on businesses. These obligations were put in place to help protect endangered species like the caribou — the iconic species featured on Canadian quarters — that are at risk of disappearing from regions of Ontario and other provinces due to industrial development.

Another environmental law, Ontario's Environmental Bill of Rights, requires the government to begin a 45-day public consultation period as part of what it is calling its 10th-year review of the endangered species law. The consultation is now open.

Environment Minister Rod Phillips said in a statement that this would improve the "effectiveness" of environmental protections and find a "balanced approach" to boost the environment and the economy.

https://www.nationalobserver.com/2019/0 ... businesses

He also advanced his war on education this week by announcing a number of measures:

He’s cutting tuition fees by10% but not replacing the funding lost by universities. So while a student may save a few hundred bucks a year universities are going to take a significant financial hit.

Before anyone pretends this is some well-intended attempt to help students, in the same act, Doug adds financial hardship to students in a number of ways:

Under Doug Ford, you now cannot receive an Ontario student grant if your parents combined income is greater than $140,00 (previous limit was $175k). So in Toronto, where the average rent for a 1 bedroom apartment is almost $28,000 a year, if both your parents are bus drivers you cannot qualify for any student grant.

For those lucky enough to qualify for an Ontario loan, Doug’s ended the 6-month grace period that gradues have to find a job before interest accrues and repayments start. Now interest and payments start immediately upon graduation.

Doug has ended tuition grants for low income students that could cover up to 100% of tuition depending on income level. Now low-income students must take at least half the amount as a loan instead of a grant and you likely not receive an Ontario student grant at all if your parents’ combined income is over $50k.

In order to financially starve student groups that naturally oppose conservatives’ attacks on education and students, Ford has now decreed that student union fees, along with most other university ancillary fees can no longer be mandatory. The hope is that the increasingly financially desperate students will feel forced to stop contributing to their own interests.

Borrowers who are in repayment and request temporary relief from payments due financial hardship now have to earn less than $25k per year (down from $35k per year).

https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/mobile/overv ... -1.4258116

Doug dropped out of community college in hs first semester so has no respect or value for education or students or information that doesn’t fit his uninformed and ignorant narrative so attacking education is a natural for him.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

Tricks Tricks:

Are we moving the goal posts now? Do you respond to every random survey from the government?

If it concerns me, my family or my community in any way, yes I do.

Tricks Tricks:

Strange that only 35% of people gave a shit to respond but suddenly it's the biggest deal in the world. Maybe the religious right needs to stop getting their panties in a bunch?

Talk about moving goal posts. I said that less than 35% is NOT the "overwhelming approval" the ALT-left claim(ed) it is, no matter how much lipstick you try to smear on it. By the way, I'm neither religious nor right-wing. Although with how far left the goal posts have been moved to the left, the ALT-left considers me to be a nazi. Strange how the concepts of the right to self-determination and border/national sovereignty are now considered nazi ideals. But I digress. Oh hey, did I ever tell you guys about the time I was a professional digresser?

Tricks Tricks:

I also like that you completely ignore all the expert consultation.

Uhhh yeah. I've seen the kind of "experts" the neo-liberal progressives use, especially in Ontario. That bridge along the Trans-Canada that partially failed was a result of "expert" consultation.
Paying the CEO of Hydro One $6 million a year to do the same job the CEO of Hydro Quebec does at one tenth of the annual compensation AND is also H-Q's president was a result of "expert" consultation.
Dredging up a Mincome that has never worked anywhere it was tried previously was the result of "expert" consultation.
Putting up useless wind farms was the result of "expert" consultation. The same "expert" who is now apparently Trudeau's #1 advisor; Gerald 'Gonna fuck all our' Butts.
Raising the minimum wage too much too fast was the result of "expert" consultation.
Selling part of Hydro One and NOT using the proceeds to pay down or pay off the debt as they were legally obligated to was the result of "expert" consultation.

So yeah, you'll have to excuse me if I ignore all of their "expert" consultation. With the kind of "experts" they used, I'd hate to see what shape Ontario would be in if they had used idiots.

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[Tricks]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Tricks Tricks:

Are we moving the goal posts now? Do you respond to every random survey from the government?

If it concerns me, my family or my community in any way, yes I do.

I guess this meant nothing to anyone's family until after the fact.

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Tricks Tricks:

Strange that only 35% of people gave a shit to respond but suddenly it's the biggest deal in the world. Maybe the religious right needs to stop getting their panties in a bunch?

Talk about moving goal posts. I said that less than 35% is NOT the "overwhelming approval" the ALT-left claim(ed) it is, no matter how much lipstick you try to smear on it.

If the majority of respondents approved, regardless of the number that responded, that's the number they have to go by, and inference to the rest of the population can be made. Do you understand how statistics work?

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Tricks Tricks:

I also like that you completely ignore all the expert consultation.

Uhhh yeah. I've seen the kind of "experts" the neo-liberal progressives use, especially in Ontario. That bridge along the Trans-Canada that partially failed was a result of "expert" consultation.
Paying the CEO of Hydro One $6 million a year to do the same job the CEO of Hydro Quebec does at one tenth of the annual compensation AND is also H-Q's president was a result of "expert" consultation.
Dredging up a Mincome that has never worked anywhere it was tried previously was the result of "expert" consultation.
Putting up useless wind farms was the result of "expert" consultation. The same "expert" who is now apparently Trudeau's #1 advisor; Gerald 'Gonna fuck all our' Butts.
Raising the minimum wage too much too fast was the result of "expert" consultation.
Selling part of Hydro One and NOT using the proceeds to pay down or pay off the debt as they were legally obligated to was the result of "expert" consultation.

So yeah, you'll have to excuse me if I ignore all of their "expert" consultation. With the kind of "experts" they used, I'd hate to see what shape Ontario would be in if they had used idiots.

So a whole bunch of false equivalency and completely ignoring the list of organizations they consulted. Cool story bro.

[BeaverFever]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Tricks Tricks:

Are we moving the goal posts now? Do you respond to every random survey from the government?

If it concerns me, my family or my community in any way, yes I do.

Tricks Tricks:

Strange that only 35% of people gave a shit to respond but suddenly it's the biggest deal in the world. Maybe the religious right needs to stop getting their panties in a bunch?

Talk about moving goal posts. I said that less than 35% is NOT the "overwhelming approval" the ALT-left claim(ed) it is, no matter how much lipstick you try to smear on it. By the way, I'm neither religious nor right-wing. Although with how far left the goal posts have been moved to the left, the ALT-left considers me to be a nazi. Strange how the concepts of the right to self-determination and border/national sovereignty are now considered nazi ideals. But I digress. Oh hey, did I ever tell you guys about the time I was a professional digresser?

Tricks Tricks:

I also like that you completely ignore all the expert consultation.

Uhhh yeah. I've seen the kind of "experts" the neo-liberal progressives use, especially in Ontario. That bridge along the Trans-Canada that partially failed was a result of "expert" consultation.
Paying the CEO of Hydro One $6 million a year to do the same job the CEO of Hydro Quebec does at one tenth of the annual compensation AND is also H-Q's president was a result of "expert" consultation.
Dredging up a Mincome that has never worked anywhere it was tried previously was the result of "expert" consultation.
Putting up useless wind farms was the result of "expert" consultation. The same "expert" who is now apparently Trudeau's #1 advisor; Gerald 'Gonna fuck all our' Butts.
Raising the minimum wage too much too fast was the result of "expert" consultation.
Selling part of Hydro One and NOT using the proceeds to pay down or pay off the debt as they were legally obligated to was the result of "expert" consultation.

So yeah, you'll have to excuse me if I ignore all of their "expert" consultation. With the kind of "experts" they used, I'd hate to see what shape Ontario would be in if they had used idiots.

Neoliberal??

You don’t know what that word means do you? It’s the formal name for conservative economic policy.

Also the CEO of Hydro One didn’t make $6 million a year

The claim about “minome” claim is also false for too many reasons to list here

Also there was no terrorists training camp in New Mexico



Your continued display of shocking ignorance and mixing up details pretty comical. I think this scene from Billy Maddison sums it up

[BeaverFever]