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PostPosted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 10:50 pm
 


If Ontario becomes have-not, Alberta is gone.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 12:53 am
 


westmanguy westmanguy:
If Ontario becomes have-not, Alberta is gone.


In your dreams.


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you think the people of Alberta are gonna support the biggest province in the country becoming have-not?

Albertan are begrudgingly paying the equalization payments as is, if Ontario goes to have not, then I believe Albertans would realize confederation was a rip off.


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westmanguy westmanguy:
you think the people of Alberta are gonna support the biggest province in the country becoming have-not?

Albertan are begrudgingly paying the equalization payments as is, if Ontario goes to have not, then I believe Albertans would realize confederation was a rip off.


Ontario's problems are temporary. Don't become a drama queen about it.


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I don’t think Albertans would any problem helping Ontario if they were in genuine need. But it is a bit of different story when we hear rhetoric like this:

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But he (McGuinty) downplayed what he labeled a failed Conservative mantra of tax and spending cuts as a means to stimulate growth.

Instead, McGuinty trumpeted lavish spending on public transit, roads and bridges and affordable housing projects.

Ont. antes up $1B for roads

It one thing to help our fellow Canadians but another to do so when their provincial government is acting completely contrary to all common sense. Ontario can not continue to increase spending over and above their growth. It makes absolutely no sense what so ever.

Between over spending, high corporate taxes and a capital tax regime McGuinty is running the province into the ground. He can not continue to spend like his province is a power house when it isn’t. Ontario is going to have to get use to the idea that they can not enjoy the same level of serves that they once enjoyed when their province was doing well at the rest of Canada’s expense. They will have to make some sacrifices just like every other province has had to do over the years.

I don’t know what they call that type of attitude down in Ontario but here in Alberta we refer to that thinking as having “Whiskey tastes on a beer budget”.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 10:22 am
 


dino_bobba_renno dino_bobba_renno:

The people of Ontario themselves don't seem to keen on making the required changes either. Mcguinty is still taking criticism for the fact he didn't eliminate the health tax which he promised to do when he entered office. While it was an unpopular move it was necessary at the time and still is today to keep it in place.


McSquinty is the idiot who implemented the health tax in the first place. You can't promise to eliminate something that doesn't exist. But then everyone knows that for the Fiberals promises mean nothing except votes from the gullible.

As for the people of Ontario, contrary to popular belief, most of Ontario did not vote Fiberal.

http://democraticspace.com/canada/ontar ... ntario.gif

Looks like a lot of Blue, doesn't it!!! The problem is that the majority of seats go to the big cities (Toronto) and they tend to vote Fiberal. Plus if you look at the actual results, many of the races were actually pretty close. Unfortunately, the rest of Ontario suffers for Toronto's stupidity. Hey Canada, TORONTO IS NOT ONTARIO NOR IS ONTARIO TORONTO!!!

As for Flaherty and his hard on for Ontario, he had best remember that his riding is in Ontario. And they are getting screwed along with everyone else. If he isn't careful, he just might find himself out of a job come next election. As might his wife as she has taken over his provincial seat.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 10:26 am
 


Ontario will be just fine...





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kenmore kenmore:
Ontario will be just fine...


good than tell McGuilty to quit whining :P


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kenmore kenmore:
Ontario will be just fine...


And if they don't do well after I year I have no doubt Kenmore will claim it's all Harpers fault.


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kenmore kenmore:
Ontario will be just fine...



coming from kenmore that does not exactly make me feel reasured .

i'm not trying to predict doom but the province does have some economic problems that are not being addressed by the current provincial government .


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 7:27 pm
 


Ontario is going into a recession because the US is going into a recession.


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Ontario is going into a recession because the US is going into a recession.


Don't get me wrong, I don't think that the slow down is all McGuinty's fault. I'm just saying that if you are faced with an economic resession you should maybe think twice about spending like you did in the years when you were booming. Cut spending so you can cut taxes so you can stimulate growth. It's a fairly straight forward thing.


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dino_bobba_renno dino_bobba_renno:
Toro Toro:
Ontario is going into a recession because the US is going into a recession.


Don't get me wrong, I don't think that the slow down is all McGuinty's fault. I'm just saying that if you are faced with an economic resession you should maybe think twice about spending like you did in the years when you were booming. Cut spending so you can cut taxes so you can stimulate growth. It's a fairly straight forward thing.


Dino.

Quite frankly the stories about Ontarios descent into have not status is pure fiction.

Ontario grew almost 500000 jobs in the last few years and its unemployment rate dropped.

Certain industries are suffering yes and I think they are fueling that talk in order to get concessions.

So far Dalton has done a superb job. The conditions that are causing the problems are beyond his control.

Flaherty's BS is designed to undermine a Liberal provincial gov't and to minimize Harpers anti-Ontario stance.

His crap about taxes being the reason buisness won't invest flies in the face of the real reason companies down south are struggling and thats healthcare. They frequently point to our healthcare as more buisness friendly and the plant closures up here are usually support plants for plants that closed in the states due to soaring healthcare costs.


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DerbyX DerbyX:
dino_bobba_renno dino_bobba_renno:
Toro Toro:
Ontario is going into a recession because the US is going into a recession.


Don't get me wrong, I don't think that the slow down is all McGuinty's fault. I'm just saying that if you are faced with an economic resession you should maybe think twice about spending like you did in the years when you were booming. Cut spending so you can cut taxes so you can stimulate growth. It's a fairly straight forward thing.


Dino.

Quite frankly the stories about Ontarios descent into have not status is pure fiction.

Ontario grew almost 500000 jobs in the last few years and its unemployment rate dropped.

Certain industries are suffering yes and I think they are fueling that talk in order to get concessions.

So far Dalton has done a superb job. The conditions that are causing the problems are beyond his control.

Flaherty's BS is designed to undermine a Liberal provincial gov't and to minimize Harpers anti-Ontario stance.

His crap about taxes being the reason buisness won't invest flies in the face of the real reason companies down south are struggling and thats healthcare. They frequently point to our healthcare as more buisness friendly and the plant closures up here are usually support plants for plants that closed in the states due to soaring healthcare costs.



I don't know about that Derb. I have to think there's a little more to it when the mayor of Windsor is proposing to shuttle unemployed auto workers to and from Alberta. While your right that Ontario's economy is still growing it is not growing at any break neck pace. If you look at corporate tax rates (and be sure to include capital taxes) across Canada and the projected growth for each province you'll see a definite trend in favor of those provinces that have lowered their corporate tax rates.

If you look at Ontario’s economic growth since McGuity's Liberals took power you can see a very defined decrease in growth over the past 5 years. Taking into consideration that this "recession" we are facing really didn't take effect until about a year or two ago it doesn't speak well of the economic policies McGuinty has introduced.

I agree that there are many factors that play into the slow down in Ontario but to me it really doesn't seem like McGuinty is reacting to them in an effort to minimize their impact.

I guess we can sit here and say "time will tell" but do we really want to wait until Ontario becomes a "have not" province before Ontario reacts?

As for Flaherty's criticism? I'm just shaking head. What a dumb ass. It's one thing to point something out it's quite another basically launch an attack on a Premier of a province. And he's hardly one to talk after what he left Ontario with. Sometimes I really have to wonder if the Conservatives really want a majority because they sure have a hell of a way of going about it.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 10:03 am
 


Toro Toro:
Ontario is going into a recession because the US is going into a recession.


thats just what dalton wants you to think , he does not want anyone to question his governments polices and wheter or not they are actually doing anygood for the province he just wants people to blame everyone but him cause he is so wonderful .


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