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PostPosted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 11:31 am
 


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I see the smilie, but the service really is no more expensive than disposables - $20/week for 10 diapers a day.



So a diaper service gives you diapers that were on someone else's kid the day before?

8O .....I would be a little worried...


I'd be more worried about the ecological nightmare that the millions of disposable diapers that get tossed out every week posses.


That's precisely the reason we went with the service. We didn't want to be filling the landfill with dirty diapers. Also in Edmonton, all trash is hand sorted. Makes that poor guy's job just a little easier to not have our diapers to sort out.


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I see the smilie, but the service really is no more expensive than disposables - $20/week for 10 diapers a day.



So a diaper service gives you diapers that were on someone else's kid the day before?

8O .....I would be a little worried...


not neccesarily. Dry cleaners dont return a different shirt.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 11:32 am
 


hurley_108 hurley_108:
DerbyX DerbyX:
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hurley_108 hurley_108:
I see the smilie, but the service really is no more expensive than disposables - $20/week for 10 diapers a day.



So a diaper service gives you diapers that were on someone else's kid the day before?

8O .....I would be a little worried...


I'd be more worried about the ecological nightmare that the millions of disposable diapers that get tossed out every week posses.


That's precisely the reason we went with the service. We didn't want to be filling the landfill with dirty diapers. Also in Edmonton, all trash is hand sorted. Makes that poor guy's job just a little easier to not have our diapers to sort out.


Just put alot of papers down all over the house and let the kids roam free.

What the hell. It worked for my parents. :lol:


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 11:35 am
 


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hurley_108 hurley_108:
I see the smilie, but the service really is no more expensive than disposables - $20/week for 10 diapers a day.



So a diaper service gives you diapers that were on someone else's kid the day before?

8O .....I would be a little worried...


not neccesarily. Dry cleaners dont return a different shirt.


That's true, but in general, yea, you don't get the same diapers back you gave them before. It's just not a problem.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 11:39 am
 


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Just put alot of papers down all over the house and let the kids roam free.

What the hell. It worked for my parents. :lol:


Heh, or give 'em paper bags, and then you've got ready-made prank materials. :lol:

One side effect of washing diapers is it makes you motivated to potty train. Our 17 month old daughter wakes up dry seriously about nine mornings in ten and uses the potty right away. She's even trained my parents how to help her use the potty.





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How about we all adopt this idea :P


'Open-crotch pants' make way for disposable diapers
(Women of China/Agencies)
Updated: 2004-07-16 15:56

One of the indelible images of China for foreigners is that of the cutie-pie baby wearing the pants with a giant hole on the bottom - known in Chinese "kaidangku" (literally "open-crotch pants").


A baby wearing open-crotch pants crawls on the ground. Theose pants nowadays make way for disposable diapers. [file photo]
One might even catch a Chinese toddler relieving himself, right on the street. Visitors may find this disgusting, or delightful, but they may not see such sights any longer, at least in the cities.

China's famous split pants may soon be eclipsed by the disposable diaper. Urban consumers are deploying the diaper and making China one of the world's fastest growing markets.

Annual sales for some brands are climbing by 50 percent or more. Upscale stores are no longer carrying split-pants outfits, instead, shelf after shelf of diapers. Just about all of the babies who grace China's sleek parenting magazines are wearing diapers.

Maximum Convenience with Minimum Coverage

With a look of intense concentration on his face, 21-month-old Zhang Xueyang explores the playground, ducking under swings and slides as fast as his legs can carry him. Suddenly, he stops in mid-stride and squats, the seam of his pants parting smoothly to allow him to urinate on the concrete.

Zhang is able to pee thanks to kaidangku. Such pants have been popular in China for decades.

The principle is clear: no-fuss waste disposal. They're split down the middle-in front and back-and provide what many parents say is maximum convenience with minimum coverage.

But in recent years, with China's rapid economic development creating a growing middle class, rising incomes and more sophisticated lifestyles have pushed many parents, particularly those in big cities, toward disposable diapers.

'It's More Convenient and Healthier'

"Split pants? That's so old-fashioned!" said Annie Cao, who was shopping at a department store in Shanghai with her two-year-old daughter, Celine. "It's not hygienic. It's bad for the environment. Only poor people who live on farms wear them."

Celine, naturally, wore diapers before she was toilet-trained. But when Cao, 37, was asked what she herself wore during infancy, she paused, then smiled. "I don't remember," she said. "Maybe the split pants."

Dai Yuhua, 33, who runs a fruit store in Shanghai, said, though, that when her first child, now 11, was a toddler, Dai did not know that disposable diapers existed. But now, with her one-year-old second child, she uses the split pants only on extremely hot days.

In the late 1970s, when Mao-suit grays and dark blues were the norm for adults, children's vividly hued kaidangku were the only splashes of color on Beijing's drab streets.

But in Beijing these days, bare baby bottoms are an increasingly rare sight-even on sultry summer afternoons, when kaidangku used to be almost a uniform for toddlers.

"They're so uncivilized," said Su Shaojuan, a cashier from the southern city of Guangzhou who has a two-year-old son. "People nowadays have more money, so they use diapers. It's more convenient and healthier for the child and parents."

Part of it is undoubtedly purely hygienic, a byproduct of the Chinese government's years-long effort to spruce up its urban areas and, it says, steer people away from unclean practices.

Many cities have outlawed indiscriminate garbage dumping, public urination by adults and street spitting. And a country that's inviting the world in for the Olympics in 2008 hardly wants visitors to see public spaces used as toilets.

At the New Mommy Post-Delivery Care Center in Beijing, new mothers are advised to use diapers regardless of cost, said Zhang Yue, head nurse of the facility.

"They're cleaner, healthier and disposable. Babies wearing the split pants are easily catching a cold, diarrhea and even suffering urethritis," Zhang said.

Zhao Zhongxin, a professor at Beijing Normal University's Education Science Research Institute, goes even further: The split pants, he says, have become a social indicator of sorts.

"Children in the cities do not wear kaidangku anymore. But children in the countryside still do," Zhao said. "This is the difference between the minds and living conditions of rural people and urban people."

"In the past, people did not have a strong sense of hygiene," he said. "Now parents are usually very busy and do not have time to help the children to relieve themselves."

Disposable Diaper Sales Have Risen Sharply in China

These days, China's disposable diaper market is well over $200 million a year, and surging, particularly in Shanghai, Beijing and Guangzhou.

At a branch of the Jingkelong supermarket chain in Beijing, hundreds of multihued diaper packages are piled atop each other in one aisle and brightly patterned samples are on display. Prices range from about $1.80 for a package of 20, to $12 for 60.

"They're more popular in winter because it's too hot in summer," said a sales assistant who would give only her family name, Li. "They may not be as comfortable as kaidangku, but the standard of life is rising and sales are rising with it."

Kimberly-Clark, producers of Huggies, estimates that sales in the entire China market are growing by 20 to 40 percent each year. Procter & Gamble says its annual sales of Pampers, introduced in China in 1998, are growing by better than 50 percent. Its own research indicates that 50 percent of babies in Shanghai now wear diapers during the day, and 90 percent at night.

"Pampers promotes overnight dryness, and it helps baby to have a good night's sleep," said Yvonne Pei, associate director of external relations for Procter & Gamble in China. "If baby doesn't have good sleep, baby doesn't have good mental development."

Unicharm, a Japanese company that produces the popular Mamy Poko brand, said in its 2002 report that it intended to invest in a new plant in Shanghai to make diapers.

About a dozen domestic companies now distribute diapers widely, too. One Shanghai company, Goodbaby, started selling diapers in 1998, and later added a toll-free information line. Typical questions dealt with how to change a diaper and how long a baby should wear a diaper before a change.

"We are trying to change people's thinking about diapers," said Tang Xiaoyun, a sales and marketing assistant for Goodbaby. "Some people, especially farmers, may think they are too wasteful."

Or too expensive. Though diapers are slightly cheaper here than in the United States, the average cost of about 15 to 20 cents each remains unaffordable for many Chinese. In the first half of 2003, the per capita income of urban residents was $520, while in rural areas it was $139.

But some people still swear by split pants. One mother from Zhejiang, who was watching her child frolic on a commercial strip, said split pants were more comfortable for the children and helped prevent diaper rash.

Mrs. Wu, the 21-month-old Zhang Xueyang's mother, remains unconvinced. "Even if people don't think it looks good, that's a minority opinion," she said. "This is a Chinese tradition."

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 12:18 pm
 


Oh god, that's just what the world needs. A billion chinese people having babies in disposable diapers. I predict a diaper mountain higher than Everest by 2050....





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hurley_108 hurley_108:
Oh god, that's just what the world needs. A billion chinese people having babies in disposable diapers. I predict a diaper mountain higher than Everest by 2050....


Really...well than maybe we should all just be allowed to relieve ourselves in the streets..just think of all the water we'll save from flushing :lol:





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In a bid to curb the use of energy-sucking dryers, the new regulation will overrule neighbourhood covenants – part of the mortgage agreement between many developers and homebuyers – that outlaw clotheslines because they're considered unsightly.
I think they should ban suburbs for being unsightly.


we should all live on top of one and other like the third world...that way illness and disease can spread faster.
No, we should either live in the city or live in the country - subdivisions are a waste of space, especially when it comes to building expanding the water, sewer and electrical distribution grid so some yuppies can have a dozen square feet of grass in front of their house to trim on the weekend.



If we live in the country we still require services or do they use wood and coal?
Theres no mass transit in the country so guess how they get around? The grocery store isn't down on the corner.

Calgary was 250000 in 1970 its now 1.1 million I guess we should have just crammed them all in the downtown core.

Some of my younger friends used to think like yourself they all lived downtown(no families) funny now they all have kids ..guess where they live now 8O .

This downtown utopia that people strive for will never exist in Canada.


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Good news for Ontario.
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In a bid to curb the use of energy-sucking dryers, the new regulation will overrule neighbourhood covenants – part of the mortgage agreement between many developers and homebuyers – that outlaw clotheslines because they're considered unsightly.
I think they should ban suburbs for being unsightly.


we should all live on top of one and other like the third world...that way illness and disease can spread faster.
No, we should either live in the city or live in the country - subdivisions are a waste of space, especially when it comes to building expanding the water, sewer and electrical distribution grid so some yuppies can have a dozen square feet of grass in front of their house to trim on the weekend.



If we live in the country we still require services or do they use wood and coal?
Theres no mass transit in the country so guess how they get around? The grocery store isn't down on the corner.

Calgary was 250000 in 1970 its now 1.1 million I guess we should have just crammed them all in the downtown core.

Some of my younger friends used to think like yourself they all lived downtown(no families) funny now they all have kids ..guess where they live now 8O .

This downtown utopia that people strive for will never exist in Canada.


The problem isn't inherant - it's of our own making by appealing to the lowest common denominator. Mass transit is looked down on so everyone wants a car so we build roads and garages for the car. There's no lack of space so the suburbs just creep like a cancer. Everyone's greedy too so they don't want to pay the taxes that would fund a decent transit system exacerbating the problem. So yea, the downtown utopia will never exist because everyone wants their triple attached garage in a 3000 square foot house comfortably far from the beggars and bums of downtown.





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hurley_108 hurley_108:
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Blue_Nose Blue_Nose:
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Blue_Nose Blue_Nose:
Good news for Ontario.
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In a bid to curb the use of energy-sucking dryers, the new regulation will overrule neighbourhood covenants – part of the mortgage agreement between many developers and homebuyers – that outlaw clotheslines because they're considered unsightly.
I think they should ban suburbs for being unsightly.


we should all live on top of one and other like the third world...that way illness and disease can spread faster.
No, we should either live in the city or live in the country - subdivisions are a waste of space, especially when it comes to building expanding the water, sewer and electrical distribution grid so some yuppies can have a dozen square feet of grass in front of their house to trim on the weekend.



If we live in the country we still require services or do they use wood and coal?
Theres no mass transit in the country so guess how they get around? The grocery store isn't down on the corner.

Calgary was 250000 in 1970 its now 1.1 million I guess we should have just crammed them all in the downtown core.

Some of my younger friends used to think like yourself they all lived downtown(no families) funny now they all have kids ..guess where they live now 8O .

This downtown utopia that people strive for will never exist in Canada.


The problem isn't inherant - it's of our own making by appealing to the lowest common denominator. Mass transit is looked down on so everyone wants a car so we build roads and garages for the car. There's no lack of space so the suburbs just creep like a cancer. Everyone's greedy too so they don't want to pay the taxes that would fund a decent transit system exacerbating the problem. So yea, the downtown utopia will never exist because everyone wants their triple attached garage in a 3000 square foot house comfortably far from the beggars and bums of downtown.



Thats the typical stereotypical view of todays suburbs. If you did a comparison of some of the newer areas in Calgary compared to ones built 40 years ago you would see the population density is a lot higher the further you get away from the inner city neighborhoods. You would be hard pressed to find a 50 by a 100 foot lot, yes there is
some "estate areas" with larger lots but that is the exception not the norm.

Even your "3000" square foot house uses less space than a 1000 sq footer built 40 years ago. Multi level and lots of stairs!. Check the space between the houses its now down to 6 or 8 feet in Calgary .

New multifamily units are also increasing on the outer edge of the city.


I know Edmonton is the same as Calgary.


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Thats the typical stereotypical view of todays suburbs. If you did a comparison of some of the newer areas in Calgary compared to ones built 40 years ago you would see the population density is a lot higher the further you get away from the inner city neighborhoods. You would be hard pressed to find a 50 by a 100 foot lot, yes there is
some "estate areas" with larger lots but that is the exception not the norm.

Even your "3000" square foot house uses less space than a 1000 sq footer built 40 years ago. Multi level and lots of stairs!. Check the space between the houses its now down to 6 or 8 feet in Calgary .

New multifamily units are also increasing on the outer edge of the city.


I know Edmonton is the same as Calgary.


A house occupying a greater percentage of the lot isn't necessarily a good thing. It looks horrible for one, and it gives less space for kids to play in leading to a sedentary lifestyle for another. Fires spread like crazy when you've got miniscule distances beween houses like 6 feet and decades old, dangerously obsolete building codes.





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Thats the typical stereotypical view of todays suburbs. If you did a comparison of some of the newer areas in Calgary compared to ones built 40 years ago you would see the population density is a lot higher the further you get away from the inner city neighborhoods. You would be hard pressed to find a 50 by a 100 foot lot, yes there is
some "estate areas" with larger lots but that is the exception not the norm.

Even your "3000" square foot house uses less space than a 1000 sq footer built 40 years ago. Multi level and lots of stairs!. Check the space between the houses its now down to 6 or 8 feet in Calgary .

New multifamily units are also increasing on the outer edge of the city.


I know Edmonton is the same as Calgary.


A house occupying a greater percentage of the lot isn't necessarily a good thing. It looks horrible for one, and it gives less space for kids to play in leading to a sedentary lifestyle for another. Fires spread like crazy when you've got miniscule distances beween houses like 6 feet and decades old, dangerously obsolete building codes.




No its not a good thing, however its not contributing to urban sprawl as much as that 1000 square foot bungalow built on an 8th of acre.

I wonder what people who live downtown in condos do to avoid the sedentary lifestyle?...

They get in their cars and drive out of town or to the suburbs on the weekends, thats good for the environment.

Condos and apartment blocks burn a hell of a lot faster than single family dwellings.


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