[Bacardi4206]

ManifestDestiny wrote:

And I live in NYC we have bad traffic here too. but if you look at the number of people herein NY, and compare to the number of people in the GTA, it is worse in TO!

Nobody's traffic is worse than NYC. People have to take a taxi just so they don't got to deal with the traffic themselves. NYC = Taxi Heaven.

NY has some of the most agressive drivers, learnt from experience NY traffic driving. If you don't act agressive, you are never going to get in that right lane.

[Bruce_the_vii]

The NYT Almanac has cost of living figures for American cities. There's NYC and everyone else. Even food costs are much higher there. The place is very expensive. The bigger the city gets the less time, space and money the residents have.

[Streaker]

Bruce_the_vii wrote:

Streaker wrote:

Bruce_the_vii wrote:

The city half of the area is stagnate – which is good because growth would mean congestion. This is how Toronto is working.

Growth in the 'burbs will mean much more congestion.

If you look at at map of Toronto the burbs cover an area about five times the size of the City of Toronto but have just only slightly more people. Just right now the greater city area is working. These places like LA and NYC should never have been allowed to get that big. They're very expensive, takes a lot of time to get around - they are awful. Without immigration they'd actually shrink.

Sure, but you're comparing Toronto to much larger cities.

If all of T-dot's growth occurs in the 'burbs and this continues until the GTA is comparable in size to those cities traffic will be an absolute nightmare there.

[CommanderSock]

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The NYT Almanac has cost of living figures for American cities. There's NYC and everyone else. Even food costs are much higher there. The place is very expensive. The bigger the city gets the less time, space and money the residents have.

Toronto is a great city, perhaps next to London, my favorite city in the world.

That being said, Toronto needs to rethink its growth strategy. The GTA is growing rapidly but public transport remains very weak. Lack of transport between major hubs is baffling? Why is there no high speed rail or GO train between Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge and Guelph to Toronto? Why is there no subway to Mississauga/Brampton?

An efficient public transport would go a long way to unclog the major 401 west artery.

I also know that Gardiner-DVP-404 is horrible to drive through from 4-6pm mon -fri, lucky I don't travel that route.

[CommanderSock]

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Sure, but you're comparing Toronto to much larger cities.

If all of T-dot's growth occurs in the 'burbs and this continues until the GTA is comparable in size to those cities traffic will be an absolute nightmare there.

You both have a good point. If "the green bits" between Toronto and its burbs filled up, I don't think traffic would move, we'd be stuck in permanent rush hour like Lagos or Sao-Paulo.

However, we should try and keep Toronto densely packed rather than allow a Calgary type nightmare sprawl to take place.

Unfortunately most of Toronto so called suburbs aren't suburs at all but completely self administering towns/townships/hamlets, more similar to Los Angeles than NYC.

[canada86]

CommanderSock wrote:

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Toronto is a great city, perhaps next to London, my favorite city in the world.

Berlin is also very nice