[Bruce_the_vii]

Sprawl has a bad reputation but it seems to be working in the Greater Toronto Area. Housing developments are popping up in the outer regions, business growth is exclusively in the outer regions and traffic remains good. The city half of the area is stagnate – which is good because growth would mean congestion. This is how Toronto is working.

[ManifestDestiny]

Bruce_the_vii wrote:

traffic remains good.

When was the last time you drove in the GTA? 1970?

Try this start out where the 427 ends on Hwy 7, drive across Woodbdroge on hwy 7 then get on the 400 and go to Nobleton at 5pm. See how long that takes!

[SigPig]

Bruce_the_vii wrote:

traffic remains good.

Are you serious? You even been to the GTA?????

[SigPig]

ManifestDestiny wrote:

When was the last time you drove in the GTA? 1970?

Try this start out where the 427 ends on Hwy 7, drive across Woodbdroge on hwy 7 then get on the 400 and go to Nobleton at 5pm. See how long that takes!

Or the 403/QEW through Oakville at just about any time. Stop...go...stop....go....etc.

[ManifestDestiny]

SigPig wrote:

ManifestDestiny wrote:

When was the last time you drove in the GTA? 1970?

Try this start out where the 427 ends on Hwy 7, drive across Woodbdroge on hwy 7 then get on the 400 and go to Nobleton at 5pm. See how long that takes!

Or the 403/QEW through Oakville at just about any time. Stop...go...stop....go....etc.

Agreed! no matter which way you cut it is bad! Toronto does not have a goos public transportation system and people just dont seem to want to car pool!

[ManifestDestiny]

And I live in NYC we have bad traffic here too. but if you look at the number of people herein NY, and compare to the number of people in the GTA, it is worse in TO!

[ManifestDestiny]

3000 baby!

[raydan]

I'm not agreeing with Bruce_the_vii since I know nothing about Toronto traffic.

I live near Montreal and unless I'm going senile, I have noticed a decrease in traffic in the last year.

[ShepherdsDog]

SigPig wrote:

ManifestDestiny wrote:

When was the last time you drove in the GTA? 1970?

Try this start out where the 427 ends on Hwy 7, drive across Woodbdroge on hwy 7 then get on the 400 and go to Nobleton at 5pm. See how long that takes!

Or the 403/QEW through Oakville at just about any time. Stop...go...stop....go....etc.

Try driving from one side of Tokyo to the other.......if you have a day to spare.

[Ripcat]

raydan wrote:

I'm not agreeing with Bruce_the_vii since I know nothing about Toronto traffic.

I live near Montreal and unless I'm going senile, I have noticed a decrease in traffic in the last year.

Hundreds of thousands of people out of work across Canada tend to have positive effects on traffic congestion.

Unless you are driving east....

[Bruce_the_vii]

I work as a courier in Toronto and drive there daily and have done so for the last 10 years. While my stock answer why deliveries take so long is "traffic" and certain intersections have a ten minute delay during rush hour the automobile remains the preferred method of commuting. While people expect easy driving the area is now pushing 6 million and traffic is holding up. I would guess letting it grow to 9 million will make it awful. My answer to letting it sprawl to 9 million is to let wages inflate to a more expensive business environment which would slow growth.

[Streaker]

Bruce_the_vii wrote:

The city half of the area is stagnate – which is good because growth would mean congestion. This is how Toronto is working.

Growth in the 'burbs will mean much more congestion.

[Bruce_the_vii]

Streaker wrote:

Bruce_the_vii wrote:

The city half of the area is stagnate – which is good because growth would mean congestion. This is how Toronto is working.

Growth in the 'burbs will mean much more congestion.

If you look at at map of Toronto the burbs cover an area about five times the size of the City of Toronto but have just only slightly more people. Just right now the greater city area is working. These places like LA and NYC should never have been allowed to get that big. They're very expensive, takes a lot of time to get around - they are awful. Without immigration they'd actually shrink.

[CommanderSock]

Quote:

I work as a courier in Toronto and drive there daily and have done so for the last 10 years. While my stock answer why deliveries take so long is "traffic" and certain intersections have a ten minute delay during rush hour the automobile remains the preferred method of commuting. While people expect easy driving the area is now pushing 6 million and traffic is holding up. I would guess letting it grow to 9 million will make it awful. My answer to letting it sprawl to 9 million is to let wages inflate to a more expensive business environment which would slow growth.

The GTA + Townships (ajax, brampton etc) will easily reach 9m and more highways will be built before that.

[Bruce_the_vii]

It bothers me that the greater area will become that big.