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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 4:42 pm
 


In all the back-and-forth surrounding Rob Ford (which began long before this whole crack video thing) I seem to recall that Ford made two big promises: 1) that he could eliminate the "gravy" at City Hall without cutting essential services, and 2) that he could and would get a subway system built without raising taxes.

However, from what I recall in all the coverage I've read it seems like Ford fumbled on both of those promises. Apparently there wasn't nearly enough "gravy" at City Hall to really make meaningful cuts, and so he ended up nearly starting to cut popular services like libraries, which got many people angry at him.

He also doesn't seem to have any idea of how to pay for subway construction. The private sector and Metrolinx don't seem interested, and if I recall correctly there was something about raising funds through a casino to pay for it. Would a casino really raise enough money to pay for subway construction, especially after whatever cut the casino's owners would get? Or would the city actually own the casino?

With that in mind, while recognizing that I'm not a Torontonian and that the coverage I've read has been pretty unflattering all around, I'm curious as to what Rob Ford has actually accomplished as Mayor of Toronto. It seems like all of his major initiatives were defeated by the rest of Council or were simply fatally flawed from the beginning.

I readily admit that my knowledge of the subject is limited. That's why I'm hoping some actual Ontarians, and actual Torontonians, could provide me with their thoughts on the matter.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 5:06 pm
 


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Would a casino really raise enough money to pay for subway construction, especially after whatever cut the casino's owners would get? Or would the city actually own the casino?


I thought most (all?) casinos in the province were owned by OLG (some have private operators who get a cut).

This is the last I read about numbers for a Toronto casino.

http://toronto.ctvnews.ca/ford-casino-d ... -1.1284754

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Toronto Mayor Rob Ford took a firm stance on a proposed downtown casino, stating that without a guarantee of at least $100 million a year in revenue for the city, the deal is “dead.” But under a new funding formula, the city would get around $53.7 million a year.


Ford wanted 100 million a year straight up, but the current formula would only afford them 54 million.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 5:33 am
 


There was something profoundly surreal about Conrad Black interviewing Rob Ford.


This is what the Canadian Rightwing has been reduced to - a drug-addled Mayor being interviewed by a convicted fraudster. It would be laughable if it weren't so serious.

Ford, who has now transformed his career into dropping media bombs, made the bizarre claim that Police Chief Bill Blair had cooked up the entire investigation concerning Rob Ford, Sandro Lisi, et al., for reasons of personal resentment.

This is the model of the new right in Canada - always blame someone else for your problems. But just how bizarre can the blame-game become? Well pretty bizarre apparently. The very idea of a ultra-rightwing Police chief undertaking a major investigation involving huge resources and lots of officers just to smear a rightwing mayor for personal reasons is, prima facie, absurd. However, even if we were to admit the possibility of such a turn of events, then the question arises; "if this was Chief Blair's plan, why has the Mayor not been indicted?"

A close examination of the facts suggests that far from pursuing the Mayor, the Chief's investigation seems to have shielded the mayor from the possibility of prosecution.

But this is the topsy-turvy world of the New Right in Canada - criminals interviewing criminals, police-chiefs with dubious human rights records investigating corrupt politicians, Lawyers hiding e-mails to hide PMO conspiracies, one rightwinger bribing another rightwinger to keep quiet, rightwing Senators interfering with audits conducted by rightwing insiders to keep things quiet, a rightwing Premier who has just enacted a wildly unconstitutional law trying to prevent freedom of speech attending Mandela's memorial.

The rightwing in this country has truly degenerated into a massive organized crime syndicate that is suffering from the kind of infighting that would make a good Mario Puzo novel.


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What he has accomplished is that he has exposed the dirty truth about politics in Toronto and dare I say the larger system. Furthermore he has opened up the discussion about the police operational tactics, the waste of such tactics, and in general some important questions about democracy. Do people like what they see now? Is there more or less faith in the system, in the security apparatus and government now?


I don't even care about his politics quite frankly outside of the fact that I am supportive of cost tightening measures, in particular during these horrible economic times for so many. The compulsive and obsessive approach by some in the media have illustrated the interference into the democratic process and illuminated some stark contrasts between some indiscretions (say, wasting billions of dollars with little more than a "sorry") and other indiscretions such as using drugs and being a buffoon. Which is worse? Which harms your childrens future more?

When Ford was elected and I saw Don Cherry swearing him in with his offensive taunt of the others on the T.O board, I had an immediate dislike for him. I don't believe that this should be the way a mayor acts and I certainly don't want a biased, hypocrite like Cherry speaking in ANY political forum. These same "left wing" individuals who he attacks are paying his salary, since he is paid for by the taxpayer and all (what a capitalist Don is eh?)...Anyways, when I saw him in the papers with an accusation that he was apparently on his cellphone and later a comment that he flipped the bird at another drive, I figured that this was representative of a person who didn't respect others. I had some small glee in seeing that it was reported, I figured we would hear about him from time to time as this seemed to be his outlandish character, I don't think anyone expected a full court press.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 10:59 am
 


Well, he's made Toronto a laughing stock ... outside of Canada where Tornoto as a laughing stock is something new, anyway.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 11:00 am
 


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There was something profoundly surreal about Conrad Black interviewing Rob Ford.



"Former Jailbird interviews Future Jailbird"


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 11:09 am
 


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Well, he's made Toronto a laughing stock ... outside of Canada where Tornoto as a laughing stock is something new, anyway.



Yup, he has fulfilled Toronto's destiny..


To be an international embarrassment. :lol:


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 11:09 am
 


JaredMilne wrote:
In all the back-and-forth surrounding Rob Ford (which began long before this whole crack video thing) I seem to recall that Ford made two big promises: 1) that he could eliminate the "gravy" at City Hall without cutting essential services, and 2) that he could and would get a subway system built without raising taxes.

However, from what I recall in all the coverage I've read it seems like Ford fumbled on both of those promises. Apparently there wasn't nearly enough "gravy" at City Hall to really make meaningful cuts, and so he ended up nearly starting to cut popular services like libraries, which got many people angry at him.

He also doesn't seem to have any idea of how to pay for subway construction. The private sector and Metrolinx don't seem interested, and if I recall correctly there was something about raising funds through a casino to pay for it. Would a casino really raise enough money to pay for subway construction, especially after whatever cut the casino's owners would get? Or would the city actually own the casino?

With that in mind, while recognizing that I'm not a Torontonian and that the coverage I've read has been pretty unflattering all around, I'm curious as to what Rob Ford has actually accomplished as Mayor of Toronto. It seems like all of his major initiatives were defeated by the rest of Council or were simply fatally flawed from the beginning.

I readily admit that my knowledge of the subject is limited. That's why I'm hoping some actual Ontarians, and actual Torontonians, could provide me with their thoughts on the matter.


This matter has been beaten to death on here. A quick search will tell you all you need to know.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 12:32 pm
 


He has put Tonronto on the world map and made people laugh the world over. And really, what greater gift is there than laughter.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 1:52 pm
 


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He has put Tonronto on the world map and made people laugh the world over. And really, what greater gift is there than laughter.



Hmmm. Toronto fancies themselves as a "World class city" ... like Cirque de Soleil is a World class clown show.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 3:26 pm
 


Toronto is a world-class city. And, to be honest, this is their second batshit crazy mayor. That Mel guy could have been one of the Three Stooges. Better yet, Abbot adn Costello with his "Who is WHO?" routine.

But Ford--I strtaed off hating the guy because he just had that dim-witted high school bully look. But I can't help but admire the man's sheer tenacity. And he's comedy gold. Still, the life expectancy of fat comic's sin't great so he Farley on us.


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But Ford--I strtaed off hating the guy because he just had that dim-witted high school bully look.



I work with someone who actually went to the same high school at the same time as Rob Ford. She has never said that he was a bully but apparently, he was a notorious dope dealer. I wonder how many other stinking rich guys learned their trade by selling dope in a high school?


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