[newfette]

well the guy is dead so I'm thinking he doesn't care either way... I mean if the money was to be spent in that industry then why not on evidence that is relevant to a current case or on missing children... oh or on trying to catch pedophiles??

[commanderkai]

hurley_108 wrote:

We can remember why the death penalty is wrong - because it's fallible, and now we have at least one proven case of an innocent man being executed. We can remember this so that we never reinstate the policy.

Oh please. You can say this about the ENTIRE JUSTICE SYSTEM. The system is fallible. He was executed, sure, but I bet you there are have been thousands of people around the world who have been wrongly convicted and imprisoned. Actually almost every prisoner in jail will claim innocence. We might as well close down all jails with that argument.

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The religious right likes to bleat about how the only sure fire way to avoid gettign pregnant is to not have sex. Well the only sure fire way to make sure you don't execute an innocent man is to not execute anybody.

And the only way not to wrongly convict anybody is to not convict anybody at all. Your point? Oooh wait I think its because an innocent man might die. Well an innocent man might die when he gets jumped and stabbed after being wrongly accused of rape.

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We hold the state accountable for past wrongs all the time. Residential schools. Forced sterilization. Internment of Japanese during WWII.

But in the end, the government can't do much to change that injustice except apologize for it and maybe hand out a few dollars. I don't disagree. But the policies that created those injustices, are over.

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Just because a truth is old, just because an injustice was committed by people who are probably dead by a government that's no longer in power doesn't make it okay, doesn't mean we can ignore it.

I never said to ignore it, but I don't think the government should go around wasting taxpayer dollars on those who were punished 86 years ago wrongly when I'm sure there are still some people TODAY who have been wrongly convicted, and are still alive. If a criminal historian wanted to go around doing this, then sure, but don't we have better priorities?

[lily]

newfette wrote:

well the guy is dead so I'm thinking he doesn't care either way... I mean if the money was to be spent in that industry then why not on evidence that is relevant to a current case or on missing children... oh or on trying to catch pedophiles??

What's one more "oopsie", right?

The guy is dead, so we should just move on...

[newfette]

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The religious right likes to bleat about how the only sure fire way to avoid gettign pregnant is to not have sex.

I'm sure the virgin mary would beg to differ

[newfette]

lily wrote:

newfette wrote:

well the guy is dead so I'm thinking he doesn't care either way... I mean if the money was to be spent in that industry then why not on evidence that is relevant to a current case or on missing children... oh or on trying to catch pedophiles??

What's one more "oopsie", right?

The guy is dead, so we should just move on...

the guy has been dead for 86 years.. he didn't die a few months ago

the people that made the mistake cannot be held accountable cause chances are they've kicked the bucket too..

[Brenda]

hurley_108 wrote:

Brenda wrote:

they better find the real culprit now eh?

Talking about wasting taxpayers money...

If the truth costs money, we should ignore it?

Don't you find it more important to have spent that same amount of money (that you can only spend once, as you know...) on finding criminals that killed your baby-sister NOW? With the techniques we have NOW?

A lot of shit happened a century ago. People made 25 cents a week. Probably didn't even pay taxes, because they were not invented yet... You want to change all that with the money YOU have to work hard for? For EVERY deathsentence? Man, you better start making some more, so you can pay some more taxes...

But then again, I assume you agree with all the settlement payments we have for the FN in Canada too eh?

[Robair]

newfette wrote:

the death penalty is wrong only if you believe it is..

I dont think it is

When you're wrong, you're wrong. And you are wrong.

newfette wrote:

but yet again I BELIEVE the money could have been better spent elsewhere

The woman that was killed paid taxes. The man that was executed paid taxes. Their loved ones paid taxes.

Perhaps you could sleep better knowing it was THEIR tax money the government spent?

[newfette]

i dont believe its wrong and you aren't going to change my opinion of that. but remember you're talking to something that think Castro is a great leader

and I'm sure that the taxes they paid have been long spent on other things.

I sleep just fine actually. I tend not to let the actions of people almost 90 years ago have an effect onthe way i sleep...


I agree with brenda on this that the money should have been spent trying to discredit evidence of a current case.

[Blue_Nose]

Since everyone's rambling about how much money was spent on this case, does anyone actually have any idea how much "taxpayer" money was spent?

I'm sure plenty of killers can be caught with the millions of dollars it took to conduct a test on some hair samples (that is, if the tests were even paid for with public funds at all), and plates of 24K gold the legal pardon was probably written on could have been used to nab some child molestors.

[commanderkai]

Blue_Nose wrote:

Since everyone's rambling about how much money was spent on this case, does anyone actually have any idea how much "taxpayer" money was spent?

I'm sure plenty of killers can be caught with the millions of dollars it took to conduct a test on some hair samples (that is, if the tests were even paid for with public funds at all), and plates of 24K gold the legal pardon was probably written on could have been used to nab some child molestors.

Even if it was $1000, it was still too much since, once again, there are innocent people who need it more. Until the day we can somehow scan the brain of a person, and determine their guilt or innocence through that, there will always be wrongful convictions.

[newfette]

commanderkai wrote:

Blue_Nose wrote:

Since everyone's rambling about how much money was spent on this case, does anyone actually have any idea how much "taxpayer" money was spent?

I'm sure plenty of killers can be caught with the millions of dollars it took to conduct a test on some hair samples (that is, if the tests were even paid for with public funds at all), and plates of 24K gold the legal pardon was probably written on could have been used to nab some child molestors.

Even if it was $1000, it was still too much since, once again, there are innocent people who need it more. Until the day we can somehow scan the brain of a person, and determine their guilt or innocence through that, there will always be wrongful convictions.

[lily]

commanderkai wrote:

Blue_Nose wrote:

Since everyone's rambling about how much money was spent on this case, does anyone actually have any idea how much "taxpayer" money was spent?

I'm sure plenty of killers can be caught with the millions of dollars it took to conduct a test on some hair samples (that is, if the tests were even paid for with public funds at all), and plates of 24K gold the legal pardon was probably written on could have been used to nab some child molestors.

Even if it was $1000, it was still too much since, once again, there are innocent people who need it more. Until the day we can somehow scan the brain of a person, and determine their guilt or innocence through that, there will always be wrongful convictions.

There's always "innocent people who need it more", no matter what you're discussing.

This man was innocent, but he doesn't count, because he's dead, right?

[hurley_108]

newfette wrote:

well the guy is dead so I'm thinking he doesn't care either way...

Nice.

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I mean if the money was to be spent in that industry then why not on evidence that is relevant to a current case or on missing children... oh or on trying to catch pedophiles??

How ironic, that's what Colin Campbell Ross was accused of.

[bootlegga]

newfette wrote:

you dont have to be on board with the death penalty to agre this was a waste of tax payers dollars that could have been spent on something much more useful

why open a can of worms from 86 years ago?

Justice perhaps? Or maybe you think David Milgaard should still be rotting in jail...

[newfette]

I know thats what he was accused of that's why i said it.