[Scape]

commanderkai, look above your post.

[commanderkai]

Scape wrote:

commanderkai, look above your post.

As much as CBC is not there to make money, that does not mean it does not have advantages. For one, it does have financial backing from the government. Second, it does, at least under the assumption, believe it has a monopoly control over parts of the Canadian television market, like HNIC. Third, the CBC, if it was JUST for providing content to people, should run more like PBS instead of CTV, it's a state corporation, making shitloads of money on commercials during the HNIC, for example.

So the person who owns the song was greedy...so freaking what? The CBC could of bowed to her demands for the people, but instead didn't. CTV took her place. Capitalism over socialism

[ridenrain]

If you noticed, the CBC are very publicly crying about their funding. They fired the studio band and now they can't afford to sustain a Canadian icon like this. What do you bet that this is going to be a large part of the next election.

Oh well, Al-Jezera is always looking for good, anti-American types.

[bootlegga]

Stellar wrote:

There are three parties here, one publicly owned, one privately owned, and one that deals out the cards to one of the other two buyers.

CBC’s revenue comes from our tax dollars, its purpose is not to gain the profit that CTV is earning but to provide Canadian content to the public. In short, CBC doesn’t make half what CTV makes, so to draw up a comparison using the same criteria for each of the two broadcasting companies would be quite skewed.

The blame, really, should go toward Claman. She was being given $500 each time CBC played her jingle, and look how many games are played in a week for a year. Further, look at how many channels CBC has that broadcasts her songs. They have over three. Point being, they have a great deal of broadcasts of that song, and Claman is receiving a good amount of revenue for all of it.

I mean it begs the question, is that amount of money really to small for her? Would she really be “saddened” that the deal collapsed when she on her own will let the deal fall through? Would she actually be saddened when she knew she was going to sacrifice that much of Canada’s culture to satisfy her greed?

CBC for 14 months attempted to negotiate with Claman and come to a mutual agreement, they wanted to include the lawsuit as well as the future contract, but Claman chose to make it separate. Then, when last week rolled around, CBC offered an offer nearly identical to hers, and as a result she gave no response, but instead apparently turned to CTV and began talking to them. In fact, Claman and her publishers were seemingly vary reluctant to talk to CBC, not outlining the details and exact figures of the deal. Remember, CBC has a responsibility being a government-run corporation, and arnt in the same liberty to just hand out their money to some shady deal.

As you can see, a severe lack of communication was also apparent on Claman’s part. CBC also offered to buy the royalties out right for around 1 million dollars, and chances are – CTV bought the song from 1.3 to over 3 million dollars in perpetuity. Something that CBC, being a state run company is unable to afford.

And NOT to mention, Claman brought in another problem on the negotiation table by suing CBC in 2004, making the chance for a new deal even harder, once again a burden that CTV doesn’t have.

Now I’m not saying that CBC doesn’t have other shitty programs that should be cut, all Im saying is that CBC holds the responsibility of the tax-payers which cannot be in competition with CTV. On Claman’s side, she had a lot of money coming her way with CBC’s original deal, and quite frankly I believe its fair to say that she decided to sell out her Canadian pride to her greed and thanks to her, we lost a piece of our culture.

That song is our song, she made it, but we as a society formed it into what it is today – a piece of our culture. We are the ones who made her rich, we are the ones that made it apart of what we say when we call ourselves Canadian. Morally, that’s our song as Canadians, which has been taken away thanks to the result of one’s greed. So stop completely blaming CBC, and instead do some research and realize they aren’t as flexible as it appears.

Regards,
Stellar.

The real reason that CBC didn't get this song was because CTV was willing to pay so much more for it, just like they did with the Olympics. Claman and the copyright assholes obviously never had any intention of selling it to CBC, they just wanted to cash in. Fine, but as far as I'm concerned, that song means nothing to me now.

When I hear it (if I ever watch a CTV/TSN game - not likely as it'll probably be Leafs vs flavour of the month), instead of hearing a song that once stirred my soul, I'll hear only the kaching of a cash register.

[ridenrain]

That's spin.

From what I read, the deal was the same that it had been for what.. 50 years? Why is cost suddenly an issue now, after they've been paying that ammount since 1968.

[Thanos]

Chumley wrote:

Thanos wrote:

Hopefully the CBC replacement song contest, which has train-wreck written all over it, doesn't end up in as much of a horrifying result as what happened when that god-awful Hank Williams Jr. song ruined Monday Night Football.

Hey, maybe it will be like American Idol

And that should be everyone's greatest fear. The only thing worse would be if they got the Barenaked Ladies to sing one of their pedantic little ditties about different flavours of ketchup or Kraft dinners or something equally duh-duh and use it to open up each night of HNIC. Why not just choose some Bryan Adams song and get it over with?

[sandorski]

Thanks for not wasting Tax Payer $$ CBC. Ya, I'll miss the song, but I 'm practically over the mourning period already.

[Wullu]

Capitalism in full force! Gotta love it.

Now go suck on yer thumbs CBC.

[Johnny_Utah]

ridenrain wrote:

If you noticed, the CBC are very publicly crying about their funding. They fired the studio band and now they can't afford to sustain a Canadian icon like this. What do you bet that this is going to be a large part of the next election.

Oh well, Al-Jezera is always looking for good, anti-American types.

CBC is a gold mine for that..

[bootlegga]

ridenrain wrote:

That's spin.

From what I read, the deal was the same that it had been for what.. 50 years? Why is cost suddenly an issue now, after they've been paying that ammount since 1968.

You are so dumb it's funny. In one thread you moan and bitch that CBC is a waste of taxpayer money, and then when they do something fiscally responsible (avoiding a bidding war), you give them nothing but contempt.

Fuck, you are such a hack...

[ridenrain]

bootlegga wrote:

ridenrain wrote:

That's spin.

From what I read, the deal was the same that it had been for what.. 50 years? Why is cost suddenly an issue now, after they've been paying that ammount since 1968.

You are so dumb it's funny. In one thread you moan and bitch that CBC is a waste of taxpayer money, and then when they do something fiscally responsible (avoiding a bidding war), you give them nothing but contempt.

Fuck, you are such a hack...

You need to keep the story straight:

Quote:

The real reason that CBC didn't get this song was because CTV was willing to pay so much more for it, just like they did with the Olympics.

There was no bidding war so why do you say that? CTV bought the song only after the CBC dropped the ball.
This story has been all over the news so spinning the facts isn't going to work here. Why don't you just come clean and blurt out you're secret agenda and get it over with.

[Zipperfish]

sandorski wrote:

Thanks for not wasting Tax Payer $$ CBC. Ya, I'll miss the song, but I 'm practically over the mourning period already.

You said it, buddy!

[bootlegga]

ridenrain wrote:

You need to keep the story straight:

Quote:

The real reason that CBC didn't get this song was because CTV was willing to pay so much more for it, just like they did with the Olympics.

There was no bidding war so why do you say that? CTV bought the song only after the CBC dropped the ball.
This story has been all over the news so spinning the facts isn't going to work here. Why don't you just come clean and blurt out you're secret agenda and get it over with.

Quote:

CBC Sports executive director Scott Moore, who led the corporation's failed effort to retain control over the music, told Canwest News Service late Monday that CTV must have paid between $2.5 million and $3 million for the rights - the price he says Claman and her agent were demanding, and which CBC felt would have been "irresponsible" for a public broadcaster to shell out for a song.



Despite the heat from hockey fans CBC could take over losing the song, Moore insisted the backlash would have been worse if the network had paid Claman's minimum $2.5-million asking price.

"We were a little surprised that (CTV) would pay up to $3 million for a song that's so closely associated with our network."

http://www.canada.com/edmontonjournal/n ... bcd289f0bd
How's that for spin?

So CBC offered 1 - 1.3 million and CTV paid 2.5 - 3 million. Sounds like a bidding war to me. You really need to read more than just CTV to stay informed...

[acidcomplex]

bootlegga wrote:

http://www.canada.com/edmontonjournal/n ... bcd289f0bd
How's that for spin?

So CBC offered 1 - 1.3 million and CTV paid 2.5 - 3 million. Sounds like a bidding war to me. You really need to read more than just CTV to stay informed...

Well no there is no bidding war, even in your own post the word AFTER was used

Ill post the part of the article you have left out for obvious reasons

Quote:

Just hours after the CBC attempted an 11th-hour bid Monday to resolve a contract dispute over its iconic theme song for Hockey Night in Canada, the public broadcaster was blindsided by CTV when the rival network announced a deal with composer Dolores Claman for exclusive rights to the country's "second national anthem."

[ridenrain]

This is rumor comming from the CBC and do recall that CTV BOUGHT the song and didn't just rent it like the CBC did. In any case, acidcomplex is right and CTV moved only after CBC dropped it.

This is all crap because I don't give a tinkers damn how much CTV paid because it's not my money their spending. The CBC could have bought the song for $3 million also and I seriously wonder if anyone would have complained anyways. Since when has the CBC worried about how it's spending looked anyways.