[mtbr]

Maybe these two smoke from the same Bong


NASA Scientist: Put CEOs On Trial for Global Warming Lies

Tuesday, June 24, 2008




The heads of major fossil-fuel companies who spread disinformation about global warming should be "tried for high crimes against humanity and nature," according to a leading climate scientist.

Dr. James Hansen, director of the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies in New York, sounded the alarm about global warming in testimony before a Senate subcommittee exactly 20 years ago.

He returned to the topic Monday with a speech at the National Press Club in Washington, D.C., given to the Worldwatch Institute.

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"Special interests have blocked the transition to our renewable energy future," Hansen writes in an opinion piece posted on the institute's Web site. "Instead of moving heavily into renewable energies, fossil fuel companies choose to spread doubt about global warming, just as tobacco companies discredited the link between smoking and cancer. Methods are sophisticated, including funding to help shape school textbook discussions of global warming."

"CEOs of fossil energy companies know what they are doing and are aware of the long-term consequences of continued business as usual," Hansen continues. "In my opinion, these CEOs should be tried for high crimes against humanity and nature."
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Later in the day, Hansen appeared at an informal briefing on Capitol Hill with Rep. Ed Markey, D-Mass., head of the House Select Committee on Energy Independence and Global Warming.

Hansen told Congress that the world has long passed the "dangerous level" for greenhouse gases in the atmosphere and needs to get back to 1988 levels. He said Earth's atmosphere can only stay this loaded with man-made carbon dioxide for a couple more decades without changes such as mass extinction, ecosystem collapse and dramatic sea level rises.

"We're toast if we don't get on a very different path," Hansen, who is sometimes called the godfather of global warming science, told The Associated Press. "This is the last chance."

To cut emissions, Hansen said coal-fired power plants that don't capture carbon dioxide emissions shouldn't be used in the United States after 2025, and should be eliminated in the rest of the world by 2030. That carbon capture technology is still being developed and not yet cost efficient for power plants.

"We see a tipping point occurring right before our eyes," Hansen told the AP before a luncheon at the National Press Club.

"The Arctic is the first tipping point and it's occurring exactly the way we said it would."

Hansen, echoing work by other scientists, said that in five to 10 years, the Arctic will be free of sea ice in the summer.

Asked by a reporter about the feasibility of putting corporate CEOs on trial, Hansen dodged the question, stressing instead the need to take stronger measures against global warming.

[Wada]

and your credentials are?

[mtbr]

Wada wrote:

and your credentials are?

and yours?

[stemmer]

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Maybe these two smoke from the same Bong

No...it's more like they both are spreading the same socialist lies and helping the liberal fascist reshape society into how they think we should live....

Now pony up and pay you carbon tax...

[N_Fiddledog]

That whole "evil oil companies" argument is such a red herring it's almost a whale. It's such a straw man it could storm through Tokyo like Strawzilla.

Wanna see some real manipulators of false information for financial gain, and power brokerage? Checkout the guys behind the Cap n Trade scam.

Following the money with Cap N Trade

Wanna see a real crook in action? Check out this guy.

Maurice Strong

Hansen himself has a lot of splainin to do Lucy. When it comes to accepting money for influence he accepted a $200,000 award from a foundation set up by the wife of the leader of the Democratic party. He accepted either all, or part of a 75,000 dollar award from the storos foundation. It was set up under the category "Politization of science".

If you really want to go after the oil companies for influence peddling check out where their money's going now. Read that Cap n Trade article and look for Shell oil. Energy companies support Suzuki.

[Zipperfish]

I'm not so sure the big, bad oil companies are to blame. I did a quick search of some of the majors and took a cut from their climate change policies...

British Petroleum:

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BP supports precautionary action to limit greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions and works to combat climate change in several ways, even though aspects of the science are still the subject of expert debate

Shell:

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We were one of the first energy companies to acknowledge the threat of climate change; to call for action by governments, our industry and energy users; and to take action ourselves. We have stepped up our appeals to government for urgent and wide-ranging policies, and our own efforts to develop the technologies needed to reduce CO2 emissions from our operations and products.

Chevron:

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At Chevron, we recognize and share the concerns of governments and the public about climate change. The use of fossil fuels to meet the world's energy needs is a contributor to an increase in greenhouse gases (GHGs) — mainly carbon dioxide (CO2) and methane — in the earth's atmosphere. There is a widespread view that this increase is leading to climate change, with adverse effects on the environment.

Exxon:

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There is increasing evidence that the earth's climate has warmed on average about 0.7 C in the last century. Many global ecosystems, especially the polar areas, are showing signs of warming. CO2 emissions have increased during this same time period — and emissions from fossil fuels and land use changes are one source of these emissions.

Climate remains today an extraordinarily complex area of scientific study. The risks to society and ecosystems from increases in CO2 emissions could prove to be significant, so it is prudent to develop and implement strategies that address the risks, keeping in mind the central importance of energy to the economies of the world.

Conoco Philips:

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ConocoPhillips supports a mandatory national framework to address greenhouse gas emissions and has joined the U.S. Climate Action Partnership, a business-environmental leadership group dedicated to the quick enactment of strong national legislation to require significant reductions of greenhouse gas emissions.

Also, someone should point out to Hansen that there is no crime called "high crimes against humanity and nature." Company executives are allowed to speak out in ways they feel will benefit their interests. They can stretch the truth, frame the debate any way they see fit. It's called free speech.

On the other hand, people should realize that they aren't going to get unbiased information from an entity that has a huge economic interest in the issue.

In the case of the tobacco comapnies, the CEOs of Big Tobacco all and individually testified under oath that nicotine was not addictive, and did not cause disease. Memos revealed subsequently demonstarted that some of teh CEOs had received memorandums indicating that they had been infomred that nictoine was addictive and smoking was harmful. I don't think any of them ever got nailed for it though. The government went the civil suit route instead, I think.

[N_Fiddledog]

Again though comparing what Big Oil did in the old days of skepticism to what tobacco did is a BS argument.

Tobacco financed BS studies, and ad campaigns of lies. They put a lot of money into it. With oil companies Exxon is the one that's most often mentioned as the main villain. You're talking about $12 million dollars over ten years that went to right wing think tanks which were already skeptical of global warming science, and still are even after the Exxon money dried up. If Hansen or anybody else thinks they can win a court case saying the science (those think tanks reported on, never financed) is bad they should fill their boots. They'll lose. Those guys said nothing they can't support.

Also the money Exxon put into right wing think tanks in the 10 year period of those old days is a teensy-tiny portion of the money they donate to other agencies annually. Stuff like curing aids. If you're talking about money invested to influence public opinion to accept bogus science let's start with the recent $300 million ad campaign Al Gore was behind. That appeared in a month.

If you're talking about money invested by biased organizations to do bogus science let's start with the World Wildlife Foundation.

Bogus WWF report on Minke whales, and Antarctic ice melt that isn't happening

[N_Fiddledog]

BTW, Hansen's got a lot nerve calling anybody else a liar. Check out this one...

How Hansen did with his last prediction at a speech before congress

[ridenrain]

I was unaware that Suzuki worked, let alone for anybody..

[Zipperfish]

ridenrain wrote:

I was unaware that Suzuki worked, let alone for anybody..

You mean apart from being a Ph.D biogenetsicist, university professor emeritus, 30 years in the broadcasting, and author of 43 books? So, ridenrain--what have you done lately?

Give it a rest you drivelling moron.

[ridenrain]

hold on there, fella. I didn't mean to insult you're boyfriend like that.

[Zipperfish]

N_Fiddledog wrote:

BTW, Hansen's got a lot nerve calling anybody else a liar. Check out this one...

How Hansen did with his last prediction at a speech before congress

How is making a prediction lying? Do you have evidence that he deliberately falsified that graph? Yeah, didn't think so.

lol:

[Donny_Brasco]

Zipperfish wrote:

ridenrain wrote:

I was unaware that Suzuki worked, let alone for anybody..

You mean apart from being a Ph.D biogenetsicist, university professor emeritus, 30 years in the broadcasting, and author of 43 books? So, ridenrain--what have you done lately?

Give it a rest you drivelling moron.

And this other guy works for NASA.

Riderrain you better be right because if climate change is real Canada has already promised a majority of our energy reserves to the USA, you better hope we don't need them.

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If Mr. Obama wins in November and brings his issues - labour and environment standards - to the table, Canada should prepare its own list. At the top should be getting out of the "energy proportionality" straitjacket that mandates that Canada must offer a majority of its oil and gas to the United States, even if Canadians freeze in the dark. Proportionality is "unique in all of the world's treaties," writes Richard Heinberg, a noted California author on energy. In no other developed country are citizens denied first access to their own resources. "Canada has every reason to repudiate the proportionality clause," Mr. Heinberg continues, "unilaterally and immediately."

Would you please explain how you can be Canadian and not be worried that climate change might screw us if it is true?

[ridenrain]

I was worried about Kyoto when Dion signed that agreement without reading or understanding it. I'm far more worried about greenwashing than global warming/cooling.. climate change.

[N_Fiddledog]

Zipperfish wrote:

N_Fiddledog wrote:

BTW, Hansen's got a lot nerve calling anybody else a liar. Check out this one...

How Hansen did with his last prediction at a speech before congress

How is making a prediction lying? Do you have evidence that he deliberately falsified that graph? Yeah, didn't think so.

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He was wrong. He's been proven wrong. Now years later he appears before congress again and declares himself correct.

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Now, as then, I can assert that these conclusions have a certainty exceeding 99 percent.

http://www.columbia.edu/~jeh1/2008/Twen ... 080623.pdf

He's either lying, or he's nuts.